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DeSantis bans homeless from sleeping on public property

NolanVoyd said:
Well there you have it.

You don't have an honest answer.....you admit the point of your pretend answer was to insult liberals, in other words to troll.
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I gave an honest answer. You dont like it because it exposes liberals for the phonies they are.
 
Ginger Ale said:
A lot more than someone arguing it I'll assure you of that. I doubt you'll vote for any program giving them a universal income, and housing, am I right?
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If thats the answer, why hasnt California solved their homeless problem? There are no evil republicans to stop them, democrats there can do whateer they want. Yet they do nothing. How do you explain that?
 
Ethel2 said:
As I have written here many times I worked with the homeless in a St Vincent de Paul soup kitchen for five years until covid closed it down. It was eye opening to say the least. These are, for the most part, people just like you and me who have made bad decisions or had just awful luck or both. Most people do not have enough exposure to the homeless to know that they are mostly ordinary people. Yes there are druggies and mentally ill but my experience is that thats not a majority at all. Its easy to step on the helpless in this country. Out of sight out of mind. Kick them out of public parks and they will simply go elsewhere, probably the streets. I can't even imaging what its like to live outdoors in cold rain. DeSatan has the compassion of an ice cube.
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Yes, because the Newsome approach of letting the homeless live in squalor on city streets is just oh so compassionate.
 
NolanVoyd said:
No you didnt.

Your answer was a troll post.

Are you incapable of adult conversation?
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It was a serious suggestion and one that would end homelessness if followed. Then there is your proposal which is---doing nothing but bitching and moaning.

Here is a close look at liberal compassion in action
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Fletch said:
Yes, because the Newsome approach of letting the homeless live in squalor on city streets is just oh so compassionate.
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Actually California just passed a major bond to deal with mental health and homelessness-with the support of Governor Newsome. Pretty compassionate, isn’t it?

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A statewide ballot measure aimed at overhauling California's mental health care system, primarily through the issuance of nearly $6.4 billion in bonds, has been approved by voters.

Proposition 1 is a two-pronged measure backed heavily by Gov. Gavin Newsom and a host of Southland elected officials, including Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass and county Supervisors Hilda Solis and Janice Hahn. ”

www.cbsnews.com

California voters approve Prop. 1, ballot measure aimed at tackling homeless crisis

California voters have approved a measure that Gov. Gavin Newson says he needs to tackle the state's homelessness crisis.
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Care to revise your post?
 
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Fletch said:
If thats the answer, why hasnt California solved their homeless problem? There are no evil republicans to stop them, democrats there can do whateer they want. Yet they do nothing. How do you explain that?
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They're trying. It's not working that great, and it's there own fault but hopefully some of the new programs do better, they're looking hopeful.

I don't think it's "evil" Republicans fault, you've misunderstood my post. I think you are quick to judge, accuse and pat yourself on the back. My post was directed to you, not "all" republicans. There's been some very good programs come out of some republicans in the past.

DeSantis could be on to something if he actually helps these people he bans from the streets, and doesn't send them to liberal cities like he did the migrants.

If you care, here are some things CA is trying right now.

calmatters.org

The feds want to study giving cash to renters. Will Californians be included?

HUD wants to see what happens when you give cash directly to renters, instead of traditional vouchers. At least one CA housing authority is interested.
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Basic monthly income trial shows promise with significant reduction in homelessness​

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Basic monthly income trial shows promise with significant reduction in homelessness

Researchers at the Center for Homelessness, Housing, and Health Equity Research at the University of Southern California released an interim report on the first six months of a randomized controlled trial to study the impact of a basic income and social support intervention for 103 individuals...
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How Giving $750 a Month to L.A.'s Homeless Proved Basic Income Works​

Recipients of the income mostly spent their money on food, housing and transportation

CALIFORNIA LAUNCHES FIRST STATE-FUNDED GUARANTEED INCOME PILOT PROGRAMS​

www.gov.ca.gov

CALIFORNIA LAUNCHES FIRST STATE-FUNDED GUARANTEED INCOME PILOT PROGRAMS | California Governor

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW: California has launched two state-funded Guaranteed Income Pilot Programs to help former foster youth. The two pilots will provide 150 recipients $1,000 in Ventura County and…
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Ginger Ale said:
You're an American and can enjoy our public spaces until you need any help, then you're an eyesore, and must go away, far far away!!!
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No. If you need help you go to an inner city mission, Salvation Army, Social Services, churches. Etc.
 
Uriah said:
He wants them in shelters.
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We will see. If he actually does provide enough shelter, and solutions to problems and ends homelessness in Florida, I'll be the first to say we should all do what he's doing but, like I said, he has a shitty track record with migrants, he tends to give away his problems, so I'll have to watch and see.





Florida has second highest unsheltered rate in U.S. - Axios ...


By the numbers: In the 2023 count, Florida reported 15,482 unsheltered people or 6% of the national total of people living in places not meant for human habitation. The state also had some of the nation's largest increases of families with children and veterans experiencing homelessness between 2022-2023

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www.axios.com
 
Ginger Ale said:
Wow, so simple, yet, not.
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It is simple. There are many people on the street who won't seek help because they don't want help. They love their addiction more than the future. Been there.
 
Uriah said:
It is simple. There are many people on the street who won't seek help because they don't want help. They love their addiction more than the future. Been there.
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I doubt you've been there if you're saying this. Nobody loves an addiction, what a stupid thing to say.
 
Uriah said:
It is simple. There are many people on the street who won't seek help because they don't want help. They love their addiction more than the future. Been there.
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Good on you for your success. I suppose we can agree that everyone deserves some measure of dignity, no matter what.
 
Ginger Ale said:
I doubt you've been there if you're saying this. Nobody loves an addiction, what a stupid thing to say.
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I've been homeless on the street 40 years ago. Alcohol and drugs. I speak from experience.
 
Ginger Ale said:
I doubt you've been there if you're saying this. Nobody loves an addiction, what a stupid thing to say.
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In all fairness, I don't think anyone loves an addiction but that is what it does, it keeps a hold on those who are suffering from it.
 
Uriah said:
I've been homeless on the street 40 years ago. Alcohol and drugs. I speak from experience.
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So, you loved it, why aren't you still there then?

I imagine you didn't love it. To say they love it implies they're being selfish, lazy and can make sane choices. I don't see addiction that way.
 
Lovebug said:
In all fairness, I don't think anyone loves an addiction but that is what it does, it keeps a hold on those who are suffering from it.
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My brother was in jail and an addict, and now he's a drug counselor. People say that shit so they can look the other way. It's their own fault, they have to hit rock bottom, etc. It's simply not the truth. They need help, and it's addictive, which is not them loving it, it's them being a hostage to it.
 
Lovebug said:
In all fairness, I don't think anyone loves an addiction but that is what it does, it keeps a hold on those who are suffering from it.
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Dependant is probably a better word. Many people on the street won't seek shelter because they have to stop using. You can't do your drugs and alcohol in a shelter. Also, many of the mentally ill are anti-social.
 
Ginger Ale said:
So, you loved it, why aren't you still there then?

I imagine you didn't love it. To say they love it implies they're being selfish, lazy and can make sane choices. I don't see addiction that way.
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Addicts are very selfish.
 
Uriah said:
Dependant is probably a better word. Many people on the street won't seek shelter because they have to stop using. You can't do your drugs and alcohol in a shelter. Also, many of the mentally ill are anti-social.
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Dependent is a much better word.
 
Uriah said:
Addicts are very selfish.
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The person? I doubt to become an addict you have to be a selfish person first. What they are is addicted to a substance that prevents logic, and encourages its use.

I'm careful about the words, because those words can either encourage aid, or prevent it by encouraging people to blame and ignore the problem.
 
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