Dems set Trump trap? Source says FISA rebuttal memo loaded with sensitive details

[ludin]

Yes, I read a variety of news sources, thank you for the tip. Politico is rated left of center with HIGH factual reporting by Media Bias Fact Check. I will not comment on what you read, because you haven't linked any source.

The Republican memo was given to the White House, and then the FBI. So my statement stands.

I hope you can understand the difference, as Trump will now receive a memo already redacted by the FBI. Any further edits will need to be explained.

You evidently don't understand that the republican memo was given to the FBI as well.
They made changes to it because democrats spent 2 days complaining about it.

You should use better news sources or stop reading liberal biased ones.

 

[vesper]

The Democratic memo was full of stuff that needed to be scrubbed by design.

The Dems thought by including it in the memo it would cause the Republicans to vote against releasing it. That was their hope so Shifty Schiff and others could find the nearest microphone and camera and declare the Republicans are denying them the opportunity to get the truth out.

Well it backfired. The Republicans voted unanimously to release the memo knowing it would have to go through the same process as their memo did and be scrubbed of classified information etc.

Schiff didn't ask Director Wray to come view the memo first like the Republicans did before releasing it to ensure there was nothing in there that would jeopardize intelligence gathering etc.. Nor did he set it up for members in the House to come and view the memo like the Republicans did because he knows darn well it contains information that even certain members of Congress are not privy to. Instead Schiff took it straight to the WH knowing after the Security Council went through it there would be things redacted. And Shifty Schiff will then declare that Trump was deliberately standing in the way not allowing them to tell the truth!!!!!!!

Yesterday there was a report that Rod Rosenstein was called to the WH to view the document and no doubt Chris Wray will be called too and when the redactions are made it will be at the request of these two men leaving Shifty Schiff without a bone to pick.

 

[Winston]

Huh? How did the memo benefit them massively? It didn't do anything for Independents, who are smart enough to see it was a flop, and you people in his base are going to adore him no matter what.

They didn't even have to release the memo.. the rumors around it were enough. Polling now shows his base.. the 35% of the country that hasn't moved since January. Now, around 80% of his base believe the FBI and DOJ is corrupt and the investigation is a witch hunt. Despite the memo's inaccuracy; it partially reached its intended goal. It didn't "reset the Russia narrative entirely". But, it did help Trump... the memo buttressed the right's ability to deny reality: even if Mueller comes back with damning evidence, 35% of the country won't accept it as legitimate.

 

[JasperL]

The Democratic memo was full of stuff that needed to be scrubbed by design.

The Dems thought by including it in the memo it would cause the Republicans to vote against releasing it. That was their hope so Shifty Schiff and others could find the nearest microphone and camera and declare the Republicans are denying them the opportunity to get the truth out.

Well it backfired. The Republicans voted unanimously to release the memo knowing it would have to go through the same process as their memo did and be scrubbed of classified information etc.

Those are baseless accusations. No problem, just thought I'd note it.

Schiff didn't ask Director Wray to come view the memo first like the Republicans did before releasing it to ensure there was nothing in there that would jeopardize intelligence gathering etc..

Yeah, he did. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/democratic-memo-adam-schiff-trump.html

Democrats were clearly nervous about what might happen during the White House review period. Representative Adam B. Schiff of California, the Intelligence Committee’s top Democrat, said the Democrats had already shared their memo with the F.B.I. and the Justice Department and would seek specific explanations from the department and the White House for any changes they might request.

And Schiff has said over and over that he'd seek review by FBI and DoJ first, which he did.

Nor did he set it up for members in the House to come and view the memo like the Republicans did because he knows darn well it contains information that even certain members of Congress are not privy to.

Ahem. Same meeting where the vote to release the Nunes memo to the public:

House members will now be allowed to come to the same secure room and read the Democratic memo if they want to — the one concession that Democrats won Monday night.

So Schiff's memo has been available to the full House since the vote to release the Nunes memo, or a day or so later after the room was set up etc.

Instead Schiff took it straight to the WH knowing after the Security Council went through it there would be things redacted. And Shifty Schiff will then declare that Trump was deliberately standing in the way not allowing them to tell the truth!!!!!!!

False (see above) but your story sounds like Schiff is an evil man in this alternative reality!

Yesterday there was a report that Rod Rosenstein was called to the WH to view the document and no doubt Chris Wray will be called too and when the redactions are made it will be at the request of these two men leaving Shifty Schiff without a bone to pick.

It would be great to see some sources for these alternative facts.

 

[Slyfox696]

It would be great to see some sources for these alternative facts.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you. Those who peddle "alternative facts" rarely bother to source them or bother to admit when they are wrong.

 

[Parrish]

You evidently don't understand that the republican memo was given to the FBI as well.
They made changes to it because democrats spent 2 days complaining about it.

You should use better news sources or stop reading liberal biased ones.

No. The FBI didn't make changes to it. Nunes did.

 

[Fishking]

What did the first memo reveal that we didn't already know? And the memo didn't allege anyone's civil liberties were violated, and you can't conclude it from that memo.

4th Amendment rights. This was due to shoddy work to gain approval for spying on a citizen.

So the evidence the warrant or the renewals was just a witch hunt doesn't survive any factual scrutiny at all. Could be true, but the memo doesn't tell us enough to conclude that, and the later renewals provide evidence that in fact no one's civil liberties were violated.

The dossier should not have been used at all. It was an opposition-funded hit piece that was fully of unverified information, some of it just being patently ridiculous.

As a side note, Nunes is a lying hack who didn't personally review the intelligence on which his memo is based, and so that tarnishes the conclusions of the memo for a lot of us. As far as I'm concerned, with Nunes heading up the effort we might as well be reading a Breitbart article. Might be true, but I'm not going to trust their reporting on it.

It doesn't particularly matter what Nunes is or isn't We already have enough verified information out there that the whole premise behind half the stuff that is going on is very suspect and tainted. If this was all being done in civil court it would've been dismissed by now and some prosecutors and such may have charges being brought against them. But no...it's all done behind closed doors.

 

[Fishking]

What does any of that have to do with the Carter Page warrant request and the trampling of his civil rights? Zero from what I can tell. :roll:

It shows a corruption due to partisans holding key positions and abuse of power.

 

[JasperL]

No. The FBI didn't make changes to it. Nunes did.

And in typical "Nunes the partisan hack" fashion, Nunes made the changes without consulting with or even demonstrating the minimal common Congressional courtesy to cc the Democrats including Schiff on his changes before forwarding the document on to the WH.

 

[Fishking]

You're asserting those as facts, but they are not actually in the evidence anywhere. Identify your support for "intentionally dishonest supporting documentation" for example. It's not in the memo!

It actually is supported and there is tons of evidence. Apparently, you missed the fact that they used the political opposition's own unfounded papers as a valid document for spying on an American. Further, their extreme partisan beliefs and actions where demonstrated, very clearly, in the texts.

 

[trouble13]

The Democratic memo was full of stuff that needed to be scrubbed by design.

The Dems thought by including it in the memo it would cause the Republicans to vote against releasing it. That was their hope so Shifty Schiff and others could find the nearest microphone and camera and declare the Republicans are denying them the opportunity to get the truth out.

Well it backfired. The Republicans voted unanimously to release the memo knowing it would have to go through the same process as their memo did and be scrubbed of classified information etc.

Schiff didn't ask Director Wray to come view the memo first like the Republicans did before releasing it to ensure there was nothing in there that would jeopardize intelligence gathering etc.. Nor did he set it up for members in the House to come and view the memo like the Republicans did because he knows darn well it contains information that even certain members of Congress are not privy to. Instead Schiff took it straight to the WH knowing after the Security Council went through it there would be things redacted. And Shifty Schiff will then declare that Trump was deliberately standing in the way not allowing them to tell the truth!!!!!!!

Yesterday there was a report that Rod Rosenstein was called to the WH to view the document and no doubt Chris Wray will be called too and when the redactions are made it will be at the request of these two men leaving Shifty Schiff without a bone to pick.

I think after they react it I would send it back to shciff and give him the authority to unredacted anything he felt needed to be included in his memo. I drop the national security concerns in his lap so that he can't complain that things were redacted for political purposes. See who blinks in a game of political chicken.

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[Fishking]

Can you cite your legal arguments for the bolded claim? It's going to be tough, not having seen the warrant request and how the information was used and all..... Impossible is my guess.

Using an unreliable witness, and using unverified information generated from that individual, is not something that would go unpunished in civil court, if found out. So I'm wondering where else you're OK with this. Can I find a neighbor that hates you and use him as a witness to you acting suspiciously and get a warrant on you and go through all your stuff, you house, your finances, your entire history?

 

[trouble13]

They didn't even have to release the memo.. the rumors around it were enough. Polling now shows his base.. the 35% of the country that hasn't moved since January. Now, around 80% of his base believe the FBI and DOJ is corrupt and the investigation is a witch hunt. Despite the memo's inaccuracy; it partially reached its intended goal. It didn't "reset the Russia narrative entirely". But, it did help Trump... the memo buttressed the right's ability to deny reality: even if Mueller comes back with damning evidence, 35% of the country won't accept it as legitimate.

They had to release the memo to convince people like myself that there is even a possibility that their accusations are real.

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[trouble13]

Those are baseless accusations. No problem, just thought I'd note it.



Yeah, he did. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/democratic-memo-adam-schiff-trump.html



And Schiff has said over and over that he'd seek review by FBI and DoJ first, which he did.



Ahem. Same meeting where the vote to release the Nunes memo to the public:



So Schiff's memo has been available to the full House since the vote to release the Nunes memo, or a day or so later after the room was set up etc.



False (see above) but your story sounds like Schiff is an evil man in this alternative reality!



It would be great to see some sources for these alternative facts.

If the fbi and doj have no objection than it should be released as is. If our intelligence assets are compromised than so be it. It's on those depts and the dems

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[trouble13]

And in typical "Nunes the partisan hack" fashion, Nunes made the changes without consulting with or even demonstrating the minimal common Congressional courtesy to cc the Democrats including Schiff on his changes before forwarding the document on to the WH.

Are you arguing for civility, lol.

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[Erod]

Huh? How did the memo benefit them massively? It didn't do anything for Independents, who are smart enough to see it was a flop, and you people in his base are going to adore him no matter what.

How is it a flop? That's just nuts.

The memo showed that the FBI and Hillary conspired with a foreign agent to create a dossier, then presented it as FBI evidence to obtain a surveillance warrant to spy on Hillary's political opponent. That's conspiracy, collusion, and obstruction all wrapped into one.

A flop?

 

[vesper]

Those are baseless accusations. No problem, just thought I'd note it.



Yeah, he did. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/05/us/politics/democratic-memo-adam-schiff-trump.html



And Schiff has said over and over that he'd seek review by FBI and DoJ first, which he did.



Ahem. Same meeting where the vote to release the Nunes memo to the public:



So Schiff's memo has been available to the full House since the vote to release the Nunes memo, or a day or so later after the room was set up etc.
Schiff's memo was not offered to the House to read until the Republicans forced the issue.
False (see above) but your story sounds like Schiff is an evil man in this alternative reality!
It would be great to see some sources for these alternative facts.

The memo would not have been made available to the House if it were not for the Republicans insisting.
https://zeldin.house.gov/media-cent...house-intel-cmte-vote-release-fisa-abuse-memo
Multiple sources have reported there were things in the memo early on that would have to be scrubbed. And Schiff would have had to remove things before he could allow the House outside the Intel committee to view it. But that didn't stop Shifty Schiff from claiming Republicans were keeping the Democrats from releasing their memo last week, and the Republicans would have never voted unanimously to release the memo if Shifty Schiff hadn't removed certain things.

Now that it had been scrubbed for the rest of the House to view it doesn't mean there isn't things in it that the Security Council, DOJ, FBI want released at this time to the public.



Trey Gowdy: Democrats may have intentionally included info in their FISA memo that requires redactions

 

[JasperL]

It shows a corruption due to partisans holding key positions and abuse of power.

So, nothing in other words. "Democrats are bad, so, therefore, Carter Page's civil rights were violated." Not very compelling as an argument.

In any law enforcement organization, nearly all of them will possess strong, extreme! biases against murderers, terrorists, rapists, etc. and yet defense attorneys can't use their extreme bias against their clients as evidence that their civil rights were violated. They'd need to show that....certain acts violated their clients' civil rights.

Bottom line is the warrant against Page was originally signed by Obama appointees, but two renewals were signed by Trump appointees, and reportedly four different judges at the FISC, all of them appointed to that position by Chief Justice Roberts, reviewed the evidence four times and determined a warrant against Page didn't violate his civil rights.

At any rate, you'll need to show that acts you can identify violated Page's civil rights to prove your point.

 

[disneydude]

Dems set Trump trap? Source says FISA rebuttal memo loaded with sensitive details | Fox News



So predictable.

Schiff intentionally fills the Dem memo with items that he knows must be redacted so he can later claim the GOP made changes to his memo "for political reasons."

They should call his bluff. Just release it with redactions, let Schiff raise a stink, then release it again in its original form. Let the people see his corrupt tactics out in the open.

LOL....another Fox "Some people say" source.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYXkM7460U

 

[j-mac]

The Democratic rebuttal to a highly publicized GOP memo alleging government surveillance abuse is filled with sensitive details, a source told Fox News – claiming this was done intentionally to pressure the White House to either block the memo’s release or significantly redact it.

The claim comes after the House Intelligence Committee voted Monday to approve the release of the Democratic document.

"We think this will help inform the public of the many distortions and inaccuracies in the majority memo," California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the panel, told reporters.

The vote was unanimous, he said.

Mike Emanuel reports on what lawmakers are saying about the review.Video
Dems fears WH will make 'political redactions' from memo
The White House will now review the memo before deciding on possible redactions or objections, as it did with the Republican memo that ultimately was released in full last Friday.

“The White House has received a memorandum from the minority members of the House Select Permanent Committee on Intelligence. As stated many times, the Administration will follow the same process and procedure with this memorandum from the minority as it did last week, when it received the memorandum from the majority,” White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said in a statement.

The source who spoke to Fox News has read the Democrats’ rebuttal memo, and said it is filled with information on sources and methods taken from original documents.

Ranking Member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., questions former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson as he testifies to the House Intelligence Committee task force on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, June 21, 2017, as part of the Russia investigation. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)
Rep. Adam Schiff is warning the White House against 'political' redactions. (AP)

While the source described this as a way to put the White House in a difficult spot, Schiff maintained publicly that he wants to make sure the White House "does not redact our memo for political purposes." A Schiff aide referred Fox News back to those comments when asked about the claim that the memo intentionally contained sources and methods.

Dems set Trump trap? Source says FISA rebuttal memo loaded with sensitive details | Fox News

Well, well, well....Yesterday Gowdy was the hero of democrats for resigning after his term in congress, now he is out there saying that he thinks that Schiff and democrats are trying to set a trap with their memo. Let's see if they still think that he is a good enough guy to believe.

 

[j-mac]

LOL....another Fox "Some people say" source.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NYXkM7460U

LOL, 2004? Really? Hell, 14 years ago you were still in diapers....:lamo

 

[disneydude]

LOL, 2004? Really? Hell, 14 years ago you were still in diapers....:lamo

have a sense of humor j-mac. Are your panties so tight that any criticism of fauxnews sets you off? Or is it just today?

 

[j-mac]

have a sense of humor j-mac. Are your panties so tight that any criticism of fauxnews sets you off? Or is it just today?

No, I was laughing...That is what the "LOL" and the :lamo stand for....

 

[tres borrachos]

How is it a flop? That's just nuts.

The memo showed that the FBI and Hillary conspired with a foreign agent to create a dossier, then presented it as FBI evidence to obtain a surveillance warrant to spy on Hillary's political opponent. That's conspiracy, collusion, and obstruction all wrapped into one.

A flop?

Because the Republicans admitted that there was a footnote on the application mentioning the dossier's political origin.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795

You apparently missed that. It was the crux of Nunes' entire argument, and it blew up on him.

Nobody cares about Hillary Clinton anymore. Except you Trump devotees who can't seem to get over the fact that she lost.

 

[JasperL]

The memo would not have been made available to the House if it were not for the Republicans insisting.
https://zeldin.house.gov/media-cent...house-intel-cmte-vote-release-fisa-abuse-memo

Moved goal posts noted. The Schiff memo HAS been available to the House since January 29 or 30th (the day after the vote to allow them access). As far as Zeldin's claims, he's not on the HPSCI, and from what I've read the claim that Schiff didn't make his memo available to that committee was wrong. Notably no one ON the HPSCI made that claim.

Multiple sources have reported there were things in the memo early on that would have to be scrubbed. And Schiff would have had to remove things before he could allow the House outside the Intel committee to view it. But that didn't stop Shifty Schiff from claiming Republicans were keeping the Democrats from releasing their memo last week, and the Republicans would have never voted unanimously to release the memo if Shifty Schiff hadn't removed certain things.

I have no idea what you're asserting here. I've read nothing that indicates the Schiff memo was revised before releasing it to the full House. If you have a link, that would be great.

Now that it had been scrubbed for the rest of the House to view it doesn't mean there isn't things in it that the Security Council, DOJ, FBI want released at this time to the public.

Which is why Schiff forwarded it to the FBI and DoJ for review, as he promised about 100 times, and which I noted and backed up with a link in my previous response. So, yeah, Schiff agrees, said so many, many times, and I agree, which is why I told you that in the previous post.

Trey Gowdy: Democrats may have intentionally included info in their FISA memo that requires redactions

Great, after Nunes releases a partisan memo after a nakedly partisan process, partisan Republican who was part of that process alleges Democrats might be behaving as partisans with their response. Shocking stuff!!! :roll: