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Democrats ARE For Open Borders

haymarket said:
This needs to be done on a NATIONAL LEVEL since it is supposedly a NATIONAL problem that effects the NATION.
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so you blame Feds for sanitary cities?

Obama and Obama Judges created the current mess with Central Americans...will pay at the ballot box in 2020.
 
AlbqOwl said:
They haven't always been for open borders.



I think the Democrats refusal to lift a finger to help with the crisis at the border now has everything to do with President Trump. And I think that refusal has a whole lot to do with that crisis escalating to the extremes.
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I think the Democratic party as a whole has been. Obama took a lot of heat from his own party.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
And apparently you're ignoring the probability that the measure saves the state an enormous amount of money by eliminating the logjam of illegals flooding into Emergency Rooms. You're calling a money saving measure an incentive three days after Trump announced that he has solved the immigration problem, you're not even making sense anymore.
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What I'm seeing is California advertising to illegals, telling them that if they come there we'll give you health care.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Yes, and I've also watched you complete fall apart when asked what you mean.
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all you ever do is ask questions when asked a question....gets old fast.

Do you support our current border situation? depends on the definition of the word "Do":lol:
 
Trump said:
all you ever do is ask questions when asked a question....gets old fast.

Do you support our current border situation? depends on the definition of the word "Do":lol:
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"Support" how? Why are you running from your own question?
 
Moderate Right said:
What I'm seeing is California advertising to illegals, telling them that if they come there we'll give you health care.
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Yeah, that is what you are seeing, I get that.
You're allergic to facts and you'd rather California keep its Emergency Rooms overflowing with sick and injured people who have questionable status instead of just going to the doctor and saving the state millions of dollars AND alleviating pressure on ER's.

I get that you can't comprehend facts.
Goodnight.
 
haymarket said:
This needs to be done on a NATIONAL LEVEL since it is supposedly a NATIONAL problem that effects the NATION.
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Everyone on the Right screams about how Emergency Rooms are overcrowded with illegal aliens, but the moment a state tries to take the pressure off the Emergency Rooms by offering regular coverage, they scream louder.
So I guess conservatives WANT the ER's to be crowded to overflowing and they LIKE the fact that it costs FIVE times more for ER care than regular care, that doesn't bother them.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
I accept your admission that you couldn't even back up your own, asinine loaded question.

Wide move on your part to disown it.
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What do you mean by accept? Explain what you mean by loaded question? What exactly did I disown?
 
It's clear to me that Moderate Right and Trump are both so consumed with partisan hatred that even when a measure that presents a solution arises, they hate it because it "MIGHT" also help illegals at the same time.

Never mind that we're spending BILLIONS on Emergency Room coverage for indigent illegals AND clogging up the Emergency Rooms with cases that don't even belong there. All that matters to these two is that we mustn't provide anything to illegals even though we already ARE. And the fact is, EMTALA, the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act, REQUIRES ALL STATES to offer up their ER's to people in need regardless of ability to pay.

So why isn't California allowed to take steps to reduce the load on the Emergency Rooms by simply going ahead and including a small group of indigent illegals (who would otherwise head to the Emergency Room anyway) basic Medi-Cal medical coverage instead?
It is obvious that this is a cost saving measure, not an advertisement to come to California so you can sit in an ER for eight hours when you have the flu.

This is no different than right wingers complaining about "Obamaphones" which in reality are an extension of Reagan's "Lifeline" telephone service for the poor and elderly. They should be called "Reaganphones".

So called "Obamaphones" allow a limited amount of talk and text minutes and some internet access for a low subsidized price.
Now let's see, maybe poor people might use those phones to go JOB HUNTING, right?
Same argument, they're against it even though it is a solution because it "MIGHT" also help poor people a little bit.

Biting your nose off to spite your faces again, guys?
Do either of you LIVE here in California?

Pretty sure Moderate Right doesn't and I doubt Trump does either.

Oh by the way, California just posted a $21 billion dollar budget SURPLUS this year, the largest in TWENTY YEARS.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Yeah, that is what you are seeing, I get that.
You're allergic to facts and you'd rather California keep its Emergency Rooms overflowing with sick and injured people who have questionable status instead of just going to the doctor and saving the state millions of dollars AND alleviating pressure on ER's.

I get that you can't comprehend facts.
Goodnight.
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An advertisement is an advertisement. If they advertised armed military with tanks and assault weapons every 100 feet along the border and putting on the MSM news them doing target practice on fake bodies along the border and showing land mines being planted along the border then illegals wouldn't want to come here. Democrats welcome them with open arms, which translates into open borders.
 
Luther said:
What you don't get is the buffoons in Washington will only increase more legal immigration if and when the border is actually secure
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That is the way it is supposed to work. We decide how many people enter our country. Not the drug cartel. Russia, or China. If we do not have a million lawless losers entering our country we can allow a million or even more decent law abiding people immigrate to our country.
 
haymarket said:
You would think we would have nipped this in the bud long ago by heavily fining anyone who dared to employ illegals with significant daily fines.

But the motivation behind this thread seems to be pure politics partisanship.
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I agree that is is moronic not to have an eVerify mandate for US employment but that does not make it good policy to offer "safety net" assistance to foreign nationals residing illegally inside the US.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
That is the way it is supposed to work. We decide how many people enter our country. Not the drug cartel. Russia, or China. If we do not have a million lawless losers entering our country we can allow a million or even more decent law abiding people immigrate to our country.
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We decide how many people enter our country.
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Right, vain politicians decide from a vain American citizenry
 
Moderate Right said:
Why do they keep denying it? They give illegals numerous incentives to come here.

California lawmakers agree to health benefits for immigrants
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What if China sends a 500 million people over here. Do we become the United States of China? They take our country by using democracy against us. Majority or mob rule. Is there anything more stupid than not securing a countries border? I guess that would be the people that don't think we need to secure our border.
 
Moderate Right said:
I think the Democratic party as a whole has been. Obama took a lot of heat from his own party.
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Did he? I don't remember Obama taking any heat from his own party on anything. :) Certainly the permanent political class among the Democrats wants open borders as they see it as millions of new Democrats. They don't give a damn about the humanitarian issues--ours and the migrants'--it causes. And that makes them unfit for office.

And yes, some permanent political class Republicans are in that category too.
 
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