Democracy is a terrible idea, illustrated.

[Tanngrisnir]

From the point of view of the serfs life was not that bad. [/]bSerfs and peasants have never typically been sources of revolution. It’s upper middle class professionals and industrial workers who make rebellion

Lulz. I see that you'd fit in quite well, as you wear the chains of your masters quite nicely.

The life of a serf is misery, and you seem to desire nothing but that.

Enjoy those chains.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

And you want everyone agreeing with you to be enforced at the point of a dictator's gun. Exactly how many churches have been shut down in America? You are 100% free to homeschool your children and teach them whatever you want about porn, masturbation, and sex, but why should your sexually-repressed views be forced on all parents? You are free to not do any drugs or drink. But you want to force your personal preferences on other people, again at the point of a dictator's gun.

Yes, you are the one who supports forcing your views on others.

Beto O Rourke outright said Churches who don’t support homosexuality should lose their tax exempt status (which is effectively shutting them down since most are not for profit institutions) he was a Democratic nominee for senator and candidate for president.

Also California tried to ban homeschooling years ago.

So you claim that’s a right and yet there are actively efforts to eliminate those”rights”

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Lulz. I see that you'd fit in quite well, as you wear the chains of your masters quite nicely.

The life of a serf is misery, and you seem to desire nothing but that.

Enjoy those chains.

Living a hard life of pius devotion is hardly “chains”. In fact it’s quite freeing. We are too materialistic I feel in modern society

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Living a hard life of pius devotion is hardly “chains”. In fact it’s quite freeing. We are too materialistic I feel in modern society

Fun to see you pretend you live such a life, given your utter rejection of the teachings of Christ.

 

[Questerr]

Beto O Rourke outright said Churches who don’t support homosexuality should lose their tax exempt status (which is effectively shutting them down since most are not for profit institutions) he was a Democratic nominee for senator and candidate for president.

Also California tried to ban homeschooling years ago.

So you claim that’s a right and yet there are actively efforts to eliminate those”rights”

And he dropped out of the Presidential race and lost his Senatorial race to *Ted Cruz*, an opponent he should have been able to beat in a slam dunk. Clearly his ideas are not mainstream or popular.

How'd that ban go? It didn't even have the support of significant minority in CA.

 

[AGENT J]

Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

 

[Phys251]

Spain and Japan were not fascist states. Franco cannot meaningfully be called a fascist

:failpail:

Franco was the living, breathing definition of a fascist. But I don't expect an authoritarian such as yourself to understand that simple concept.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

It’s happening to me right now under democracy.

I voted for a legitimate president and a certain political party (called the Democratic Party no less, talk about Fraud)
Is attempting a coup d’etat after calling the president a Russian spy/asset.

So actually the real fascism is denying me the vote I cast. In Washington state I’ve voted for many initiatives to lower taxes and the Democratic Party has corrupt court judges declare them invalid.

The people of California didn’t want homosexual “marriage” you guessed what happens next...

So in fact I am already being oppressed because the “democrats” consider my vote illegitimate. So why should I consider theirs to mean anything?

So just to get this right you think America is already fascist, you don't like it, yet you want it to become more so? Sounds good, why don't we outlaw Christianity and send you ignorant little fascists to camps. You want totalitarianism we should give it to you.

 

[Lisa]

The only rights I care about are property and religion.

Monarchy strengthens both.

Democracy eliminates both.

In what alternate universe are you guaranteed any rights at all under an unelected autocratic ruler such as a monarch? How does that work out in Saudi Arabia or North Korea? How did the rights of the people in the colonies work under King George the 3rd? Do I need to explain the Magna Carta to you?

How does democracy threaten your religious rights or your right to own property?

The fact that we don't live in direct democracy is lost on you and others like you. Direct democracies are abusive to the right of anyone but the majority because they are run as the tyranny of the majority. We live in a constitutional republic with demiocratic elections. We also have a bill of rights with 2 religious clauses that expressly defend your right to believe or not to believe in a god /sand tyo worship as you see fit. Whjat other relhgiousd right do you claim to have, while you defend the same relgious rights in others, when they belive differenty than you sdo?

 

[Lisa]

So just to get this right you think America is already fascist, you don't like it, yet you want it to become more so? Sounds good, why don't we outlaw Christianity and send you ignorant little fascists to camps. You want totalitarianism we should give it to you.

I'd like to know how America is currently fascist if EMN' knows what fascism means?

 

[jnug]

Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

Not a great analogy. Air travel is safer than driving your car. Your flight ends in a matter of hours and your captain is no longer in control of anything relative to your safety or anything else for that matter. Who trains your Monarch to be anything like as capable as the Captain of your plane?

The problem with Democracy is not really a problem. Democracy puts a tremendous burden on the citizen, not just in times of war when they have to buckle on their fatigues and go fight in deadly combat but in peacetime as well. The very basic minimum requirement is that we vote.

We have become ridiculously lazy and self-serving in our democracy. Some of us view our Constitutional Republic as an entitlement as opposed to a responsibility. We are not responsible to each other and all of us, we don't even want to be responsible for ourselves. All I ever here about is "what I am entitled to" and what "transactions" I want elected officials to support. Horse feathers.

Hence for the uber-lazy, uber-irresonsible its "Please take care of me Daddy Monarch. I am too stupid, too lazy and too pre-occupied by The Voice or Dancing with the Stars to deal with the responsibilities of citizenship. Won't you take care of me daddy?"

As sorryassed as we have become as citizens, I would prefer to put my faith in our ability to recover as we have done in the past before I will EVER put my faith in a Monarch, Constitutional or otherwise. Monarchy simply represents a means to pass the buck. Its especially ridiculous for a country that was a colony to a Monarch.

 

[AmNat]

if White Nationalism were a proscribed ideology(which I think it should be because it’s contrary to God)

Should Jewish nationalism be proscribed?

I will never understand the desperate desire of certain integralists to get brownie points from the left by continually firing right. It'll never work, as this very thread has demonstrated, they'll always see you as a fascist, no matter your antiracist bona fides.

I don’t think speech on political issues should be suppressed

So calling for nonwhite immigration to be restricted (a political issue, and more than enough for any secret police to label someone a "white nationalist"), allowed or not?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

So just to get this right you think America is already fascist, you don't like it, yet you want it to become more so? Sounds good, why don't we outlaw Christianity and send you ignorant little fascists to camps. You want totalitarianism we should give it to you.

I should note you didn’t condemn any actions of the Democrats I named, and then you proceeded to declare I should be sent to a prison camp. But I’m the fascist :roll:

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Should Jewish nationalism be proscribed?

I will never understand the desperate desire of certain integralists to get brownie points from the left by continually firing right. It'll never work, as this very thread has demonstrated, they'll always see you as a fascist, no matter your antiracist bona fides.



So calling for nonwhite immigration to be restricted (a political issue, and more than enough for any secret police to label someone a "white nationalist"), allowed or not?

I think calling for racialist policies is a threat to the internal security of a multi ethnic state and should be proscribed

 

[ecofarm]

So calling for nonwhite immigration to be restricted (a political issue, and more than enough for any secret police to label someone a "white nationalist"), allowed or not?

Calling for immigration restrictions based on race isn't white nationalist?

 

[Lisa]

I think calling for racialist policies is a threat to the internal security of a multi-ethnic state and should be proscribed

What exactly are racialist policies?

 

[AmNat]

I think calling for racialist policies is a threat to the internal security of a multi ethnic state and should be proscribed

As another poster already asked, what qualifies as a "racialist" (and thus proscribed) policy? Would supporting affirmative action be illegal? Would supporting "disparate impact" discrimination law be illegal?

More importantly, if certain groups in this multiethnic state have racial loyalties which cause them to strongly identify with foreigners (the only group of people who can be affected by immigration law), then doesn't that itself demonstrate that multiculturalism is a threat to the security of a state, and should therefore be avoided or mitigated by immigration policy?

Calling for immigration restrictions based on race isn't white nationalist?

Whether it is "white nationalist" (or any other scare word) is irrelevant to whether or not it's a good idea.

 

[Lutherf]

Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

That's all well and good until your pilot/king decides to fly the plane into the World Trade Center.

There are times when autonomy in the decision making process is the best way to handle things. There are times that a deliberative process is best. There are times that disagreement between which process is best needs to be adjudicated by a third party. Hence, we have a Constitutional Republic with three co-equal branches of government all of whom are answerable to the people...and that's the way things need to remain.

 

[AmNat]

There are times that disagreement between which process is best needs to be adjudicated by a third party.

That's just putting the third party in charge, but with more steps.

 

[Lisa]

That's all well and good until your pilot/king decides to fly the plane into the World Trade Center.

There are times when autonomy in the decision-making process is the best way to handle things. There are times that a deliberative process is best. There are times that disagreement between which process is best needs to be adjudicated by a third party. Hence, we have the Constitutional Republic with three co-equal branches of government all of whom are answerable to the people...and that's the way things need to remain.

Whoever boarded a plane thinking the flying it was in any way a democratic process? We pay for a seat knowing or with the expectation that the pilot is trained and an expert in thios model and thios flight route. The passgers are just that, a passanger. We have no say in how the plane is flown or when we get there because we have no knowledge or experience in the process.
This is far different from the management of the country,. the US Constitution and our rights. We are all expected to have a reasonable knowledge of those ideas from either high school or college mandated classes in civils or poli-sci. We are guaranteed to have a voice in how the country is run and we express that voice once or twoce a year duign the elections, plus vocally or with via letters to our representatives or publically to the editor and on online. .

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I should note you didn’t condemn any actions of the Democrats I named, and then you proceeded to declare I should be sent to a prison camp. But I’m the fascist :roll:

The Democrats following the Constitutional process of impeachment is not fascism. Yet you think it is and this is also your stated goal. I'm just saying since you want a totalitarian dictatorship we should give it to YOU. It's never going to be the dictator you want it to be. Fringe nutters like yourself will always be the first targets.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

The Democrats following the Constitutional process of impeachment is not fascism. Yet you think it is and this is also your stated goal. I'm just saying since you want a totalitarian dictatorship we should give it to YOU. It's never going to be the dictator you want it to be. Fringe nutters like yourself will always be the first targets.

I provided you numerous examples of the democrats using corruption to invalidate voter passed referendums

 

[TheGoverness]

Not enough to replace your current quote in my sig. But close.

Can I advocate to be the Queen of The United States? I promise to not burn down your village with my dragon, and everyone gets a free coupon to a local reasturant of their choice.

 

[Obscurity]

Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

Monarchy is a discarded trash idea. You should take note. None of us want your garbage ideology to be in control.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Democracy is a terrible idea.

Allow me to illustrate.

Say you are traveling for the holidays, and you get on a plane to fly across the country at 35,000 feet.

Things are going well on democracy airlines, but an hour into the flight there’s a problem, and so you hear an announcement on the PA “ladies and gentlemen this is your constitutional president speaking, we have lost control of our engines and the flight attendants will be bringing you ballots to vote on the best solution”

Obviously this is insane, most people on the plane have no idea how to manage anything as complex as a commercial airliner.

So your safety when on the plane is basically an absolute dictatorship of the Captain. The captain is an educated professional who is granted full power over your life and death by a legitimate authority.

Likewise. For the complex business of running state affairs, the legitimate Authority (God through the Church) should be sanctioning one professional King to govern society. Most voters have no appreciation for complex issues and are too short sighted to their own wants.

Bad analogy, but let's go with it. Do you prefer a Socialist Authoritarian government or a Fascist one?