Defund the police - 105 dead in july in Chicago

[Questerr]

Not if our Constitution is sacrosanct. The words are unambiguous and unvague.

So what do they mean? Give an objective definition using only the Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

So what do they mean? Give an objective definition using only the Constitution.

lol. Give an objective definition of the power to declare war. What does it mean? See, anyone can do that.

 

[Questerr]

lol. Give an objective definition of the power to declare war. What does it mean? See, anyone can do that.

There isn't one. The power to declare war is defined by whichever group happens to have the most votes in Congress.

 

[danielpalos]

There isn't one. The power to declare war is defined by whichever group happens to have the most votes in Congress.

Are you implying the same thing may not be true of our general welfare clause? Or, is it the same as the power to declare war?

 

[Questerr]

Are you implying the same thing may not be true of our general welfare clause? Or, is it the same as the power to declare war?

Jesus ****ing Christ, how many times do I have to say that BOTH of them are the same? They are vague undefined terms that mean whatever the people in power want them to mean.

 

[bomberfox]

Why should I believe you?

First the confederacy specifically enshrined the right to hold a slave in its constitution in several sections, the confederacy seceded to protect the institution and had absolutely no intention of abolishing it by any means whatsoever. They expressly stated this even in the cornerstone speech.
Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861
These steps would be taken one at a time, cautiously, and our people would submit. Finally, when we were sufficiently humiliated, and sufficiently in their power, they would abolish slavery in the States. It will not be many years before enough of free States may be formed out of the present territories of the United States, and admitted into the Union, to give them sufficient strength to change the Constitution, and remove all Constitutional barriers which now deny to Congress this power. I do not doubt, therefore, that submission to the administration of Mr. Lincoln will result in the final abolition of slavery. If we fail to resist now, we will never again have the strength to resist.
Gov. Joseph Brown's Open Letter

Fuuuuuuuuu! The specific site with the quote i wanted to reference is down D:

 

[danielpalos]

Jesus ****ing Christ, how many times do I have to say that BOTH of them are the same? They are vague undefined terms that mean whatever the people in power want them to mean.

The word promote is used for the general welfare but not the common defense. There should be no promotion of the "common defense" since we have no general warfare clause.

 

[bomberfox]

The word promote is used for the general welfare but not the common defense. There should be no promotion of the "common defense" since we have no general warfare clause.

What the hell are you word gaming about?

 

[danielpalos]

What the hell are you word gaming about?

Follow the thread or just be full of fallacy with that tone.

It is about the sacrosanctness of our federal Constitution.

 

[danielpalos]

welfare; the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.

Why does the right wing have a problem with the general welfare?

 

[Jonsa]

I hope every liberal on this forum are the first victims of their foolish anti cop hatred.

Liberals are full of righteousness until they get knocked over the head for their cell phone.

Must be tough living in a liberal welfare state, surrounded by so many liberals.

 

[bomberfox]

welfare; the health, happiness, and fortunes of a person or group.

Why does the right wing have a problem with the general welfare?

I did not see any rejection of the constitution. You are playing pointless games.

 

[Jonsa]

Hell yeah. No more immunity. All that legal immunity just lets dirty cops get away with being dirty cops.

 

[bomberfox]

Awesome. The days of believing cops should be treated as dirty harry types are going to end.

 

[Court Jester]

What is a "2 party system"? I haven't seen any evidence of that for nearly 4 years. What Trump says goes is all we have now. Why should Biden need to be any different? When the Dems have all the Houses of Govt. they need to show the Republicans how things get done. Just ignore what is left of the corrupt GOP and pretend they are not there is the ticket. Turn about is fair play.

You had both houses under President Hussein Obummer and didn't get anything done.

 

[danielpalos]

I did not see any rejection of the constitution. You are playing pointless games.

You did not provide rebuttals for any points I made, either. I resort to the fewest fallacies, that means the games of those of the opposing view are even more pointless.

 

[danielpalos]

No its not and no Constitutional scholar in the world will agree with you. It has many arcane clauses.

lol. Any dictionary can help understand the words in our federal Constitution. There are no Constitutional scholars that disagree with me.

 

[danielpalos]

What the hell are you word gaming about?

That the right wing has a problem with payments to individuals via the general welfare; since that is the case, no individual payments for our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror; or, the right wing is just, full of fallacy, like usual, for any confidence in their sincerity purposes.

 

[danielpalos]

Thats sort of besides the point where we were talking about constitutional law. Always thought the pledge got less and less meaningful the several hundreds + times ive said it through my life. Became a chore.

Words still mean something. Our Constitution is express not implied in any way.

 

[danielpalos]

And its means nothing. It's word salad. It means whatever politicians with the votes want it to mean.

In other words, without limit? Better solutions at lower cost not right wingers trying to deny and disparage the Poor even under our form of Capitalism. If the general welfare is without limit then the power to declare war must have some limit to be discussed every two years. There is no general warfare clause. Why are our alleged wars lasting more that two to four years?

 

[danielpalos]

Are dictionaries part of the Constitution? No? Then in what way would that definition, whatever one I choose, have any actual proof?

Your ignorance over the whole subject just "gives you away".

Here are the rules of construction:

There are two rules of construction, dictated by plain reason, as well as founded on legal axioms. The one is, that every part of the expression ought, if possible, to be allowed some meaning, and be made to conspire to some common end. The other is, that where the several parts cannot be made to coincide, the less important should give way to the more important part; the means should be sacrificed to the end, rather than the end to the means.--https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed40.asp

 

[Questerr]

lol. Any dictionary can help understand the words in our federal Constitution. There are no Constitutional scholars that disagree with me.

Show me a single serious Constitutional scholar who supports your “general warfare” bull****.

 

[Questerr]

In other words, without limit? Better solutions at lower cost not right wingers trying to deny and disparage the Poor even under our form of Capitalism. If the general welfare is without limit then the power to declare war must have some limit to be discussed every two years. There is no general warfare clause. Why are our alleged wars lasting more that two to four years?

Declarations of war don’t have to be discussed every two years. ARMY FUNDING BILLS cannot be for longer than 2 years. There’s no limit on how long a war can last so long as Congress continues to fund the Army.

 

[Questerr]

Your ignorance over the whole subject just "gives you away".

Here are the rules of construction:

Where is that opinion from Yale found in the Constitution?

 

[Omniscient]