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danielpalos said:
You are deflecting over your unequal view point regarding the unrestrictedness of one power over another.
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You made claims about my views and about the Emoluments Clause. Address them.
 
danielpalos said:
Good thing it was not that bad then, to get impeached for it.
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What to sign bills into law that massively benefitted his own private interests then sent a big army of **** yous to anyone who was harmed by it? Man i dunno who is sounding like a republican now
 
danielpalos said:
I used quotes to paraphrase.

The power to declare war is massively undefined. Are you special pleading for your power to declare war but not provide for the general welfare?
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Please tell me what eminent domain right the south had. Im really confused about that one.
 
Questerr said:
No I'm agreeing that the General Welfare clause can literally be defined at anything and no one on any side can definitively be called right as to what it means..
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lol. The same can be said of the war clause. Why can't the right wing, win their alleged wars?
 
bomberfox said:
What to sign bills into law that massively benefitted his own private interests then sent a big army of **** yous to anyone who was harmed by it? Man i dunno who is sounding like a republican now
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Just your special pleading since you provided no quotes or background information.
 
danielpalos said:
You come across like a right winger, for some reason.

The left is for winding down our alleged wars to better provide for the general welfare since we don't have a general warfare clause.
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How so? The Right thinks the Constitution is sacrosanct. I think it is a badly written text that needs revision as soon as possible.
 
Questerr said:
How so? The Right thinks the Constitution is sacrosanct. I think it is a badly written text that needs revision as soon as possible.
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You believe more in an unrestricted power to declare war over an unrestricted power to provide for the general welfare.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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danielpalos said:
You believe more in an unrestricted power to declare war over an unrestricted power to provide for the general welfare.
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For **** sake, NO I DON'T. The Constitution does by not restricting Congress's war waging powers in any way. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the Constitution.
 
Questerr said:
For **** sake, NO I DON'T. The Constitution does by not restricting Congress's war waging powers in any way. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the Constitution.
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We could be promoting the general welfare through faithful execution of our own at-will employment laws for unemployment compensation. A power to declare war will never solve simple poverty.
 
danielpalos said:
Why are you confused? Emancipation could have happened via eminent domain.
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Nope. Thats another myth. The south was not going to accept anything, not even a constitutional amendment. Those mother****ers were never going to free the slaves by any means.
 
danielpalos said:
It is in the preamble to our federal Constitution. Promote and provide is used for the general welfare but not the common defense.
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And its means nothing. It's word salad. It means whatever politicians with the votes want it to mean.
 
Questerr said:
And its means nothing. It's word salad. It means whatever politicians with the votes want it to mean.
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I thought you said the right wing believed our Constitution is "sacrosanct"?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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danielpalos said:
Ok. Thanks. It has been awhile since I argued this point.
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The Jim Crow south is still strong in places. All GOP states. Still trying to suppress the votes of minorities.
 
danielpalos said:
I thought you said the right wing believed our Constitution is "sacrosanct"?
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They do. I'm not Rightwing. It doesn't change the fact that "Promote the general welfare" is word salad. It means whatever who has the most votes in Congress decides it means.
 
Rogue Valley said:
The Jim Crow south is still strong in places. All GOP states. Still trying to suppress the votes of minorities.
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The point was, our Civil War should have never happened since we have an eminent domain clause. I believe most of our woes are due to that disenfranchisement of the South.
 
Questerr said:
They do. I'm not Rightwing. It doesn't change the fact that "Promote the general welfare" is word salad. It means whatever who has the most votes in Congress decides it means.
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Not if our Constitution is sacrosanct. The words are unambiguous and unvague.
 
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