Deficits are exploding – and neither party seems to care

[jaeger19]

I am not the one that wants to tax you more but I do want you to explain how you know what the 44% of income earning Americans not paying any FIT can afford to pay? You are truly amazing in how you know what I pay in taxes and what I earn. Do you know each other?

Sure you do...when you tax someone who is poor.. and then because you have taken money that they were using to live on... you have to turn around and pay an administrator etc.. to provide welfare BACK to them.. so they can live... that ends up costing MORE money than if you simply let people keep the money they earned in the first place.

THATS what you are proposing. And how do I now what they 44% of americans not paying FIT can afford to pay... Because unlike you.. you ridiculous dude.. I know who they are.. they are mostly students and the elderly, and disabled. They are military families who receive welfare because their spouses make too little in the military to qualify for FIT.. or because their spouses are serving overseas.. where their pay may not count for FIT.


And yes..I have a pretty good idea what you pay in taxes.. and I certainly know what I pay in taxes.. which is way more than the median income for most americans (several times more).


And based on your responses.. doubt you pay near that. unless Daddy gave it to you.

 

[Conservative]

Sure you do...when you tax someone who is poor.. and then because you have taken money that they were using to live on... you have to turn around and pay an administrator etc.. to provide welfare BACK to them.. so they can live... that ends up costing MORE money than if you simply let people keep the money they earned in the first place.

THATS what you are proposing. And how do I now what they 44% of americans not paying FIT can afford to pay... Because unlike you.. you ridiculous dude.. I know who they are.. they are mostly students and the elderly, and disabled. They are military families who receive welfare because their spouses make too little in the military to qualify for FIT.. or because their spouses are serving overseas.. where their pay may not count for FIT.


And yes..I have a pretty good idea what you pay in taxes.. and I certainly know what I pay in taxes.. which is way more than the median income for most americans (several times more).


And based on your responses.. doubt you pay near that. unless Daddy gave it to you.

No, here is the problem, you claim you know what someone else can pay in taxes when the reality is you don't have a clue. Anyone that earns income in this country from an employer should be paying something in Federal Income taxes and you have no valid excuse for that reality. Students? the young? Why don't you find out the make up of those 44% instead of speculating?

 

[jaeger19]

No, here is the problem, you claim you know what someone else can pay in taxes when the reality is you don't have a clue. Anyone that earns income in this country from an employer should be paying something in Federal Income taxes and you have no valid excuse for that reality. Students? the young? Why don't you find out the make up of those 44% instead of speculating?

Umm sorry but I have more than a clue. The government..the IRS has already said that they do not pay taxes because their income is below a certain amount. So..thats more than a clue.

Second.. I know who these people are.. based on facts.. they are students, elderly disabled.. etc. Which again. generally not high income earning folks.

I already posted the facts and linked to them... YOU don't have a clue who makes up that 44%.

And again.. please explain why it makes more sense.. to have to tax me more... because taxing these people.. and then having to give them money back in welfare.. ends up costing MORE.. than if we simply let them keep their money?

Please explain to me.. when the facts are that over their lifetime.. the vast majority of this 44% will be NET taxpayers of FIT.. (already shown you a link proving this)..

Its so important for you.. to tax these people.. and then have it cost the US taxpayer MORE.. because you taxed people and then had to give the money back in welfare programs!

Please explain your logic. Cuz so far.. you have not supported your rational in any manner.

 

[Conservative]

Umm sorry but I have more than a clue. The government..the IRS has already said that they do not pay taxes because their income is below a certain amount. So..thats more than a clue.

Second.. I know who these people are.. based on facts.. they are students, elderly disabled.. etc. Which again. generally not high income earning folks.

I already posted the facts and linked to them... YOU don't have a clue who makes up that 44%.

And again.. please explain why it makes more sense.. to have to tax me more... because taxing these people.. and then having to give them money back in welfare.. ends up costing MORE.. than if we simply let them keep their money?

Please explain to me.. when the facts are that over their lifetime.. the vast majority of this 44% will be NET taxpayers of FIT.. (already shown you a link proving this)..

Its so important for you.. to tax these people.. and then have it cost the US taxpayer MORE.. because you taxed people and then had to give the money back in welfare programs!

Please explain your logic. Cuz so far.. you have not supported your rational in any manner.

That isn't what the IRS says, they say they don't pay any FIT because of tax laws and deductions enough to net zero in taxes. you buy what you want to believe when the reality is that every income earning American with a job should pay something in FIT HOWEVER the facts show we have enough revenue from existing FIT and corporate taxes to fund all the items that FIT was supposed to fund, not the social programs politicians have created to buy votes

 

[Kushinator]

every income earning American with a job should pay something in FIT

Your opinions about what other people should pay in taxes are entirely irrelevant... especially since the stem from pure partisanship.

 

[Conservative]

Your opinions about what other people should pay in taxes are entirely irrelevant... especially since the stem from pure partisanship.

Still waiting for you to explain how the 1.47 trillion dollar discretionary budget funded by FIT that generated 1.8 trillion dollars in revenue is creating the deficits you want to blame on Republicans and Trump spending? You keep running your mouth and never responding to the issue and the fact that it was Democrats that created the unified budget that is causing the problems we have today mostly due to entitlement spending

 

[jaeger19]

That isn't what the IRS says, they say they don't pay any FIT because of tax laws and deductions enough to net zero in taxes. s

Yep.. because according to those tax laws.. the income they make is too low to pay FIT.

you buy what you want to believe when the reality is that every income earning American with a job should pay something in FIT HOWEVER the facts show we have enough revenue from existing FIT and corporate taxes to fund all the items that FIT was supposed to fund, not the social programs politicians have created to buy votes

Again.. you keep stating an opinion not based on facts or logic. WHY should every income American with a job.. should pay FIT.. when by taking that money away from them.. its going to cost the other taxpayers MORE money.. to get that money back to that person in the form of welfare?

Explain why it makes sense to say.. make a college student.. pay FIT on his job earnings he earns.... when its going to decrease his chance of staying in college and become a better taxpayer later?

Please explain your logic. You have repeatedly failed to explain what the benefit is of making a teenager getting ready to go to college..have to pay FIT.. on his meager earnings during the school year and full time in the summer..

When taking that money from him..will reduce his chances of being able to afford college and complete college thus making him a better taxpayer later.

Please explain what the benefit of making a military fellow.. who is trying to support his family on the meager pay they get.. and you want to make him pay FIT.. and end up pushing him into welfare benefits.

The result is that it makes us all have to pay more.. than if we simply let him keep his money.

Please explain why you think its a benefit to me.. for me to have to pay MORE in taxes.. to help support the military family.. after you have taken his FIT..and had to give it back in the form of welfare.. (which costs more than simply letting him keep his money.

 

[Conservative]

Yep.. because according to those tax laws.. the income they make is too low to pay FIT.



Again.. you keep stating an opinion not based on facts or logic. WHY should every income American with a job.. should pay FIT.. when by taking that money away from them.. its going to cost the other taxpayers MORE money.. to get that money back to that person in the form of welfare?

Explain why it makes sense to say.. make a college student.. pay FIT on his job earnings he earns.... when its going to decrease his chance of staying in college and become a better taxpayer later?

Please explain your logic. You have repeatedly failed to explain what the benefit is of making a teenager getting ready to go to college..have to pay FIT.. on his meager earnings during the school year and full time in the summer..

When taking that money from him..will reduce his chances of being able to afford college and complete college thus making him a better taxpayer later.

Please explain what the benefit of making a military fellow.. who is trying to support his family on the meager pay they get.. and you want to make him pay FIT.. and end up pushing him into welfare benefits.

The result is that it makes us all have to pay more.. than if we simply let him keep his money.

Please explain why you think its a benefit to me.. for me to have to pay MORE in taxes.. to help support the military family.. after you have taken his FIT..and had to give it back in the form of welfare.. (which costs more than simply letting him keep his money.

No, what doesn't make sense is the liberal cry for increasing Federal Income taxes to fund SS and Medicare shortfall because bureaucrats borrowed the money and failed to replenish the fund. Further what doesn't make sense is how a 1.47 trillion dollar discretionary budget funded by 1.660 trillion in Federal income taxes and 160 billion in corporate taxes creates a deficit! You liberals are totally and completely clueless when it comes to the taxes you pay and their purpose. My point remains, you want to raise taxes, do so on those NOT paying any Federal Income taxes vs. going after the rich who are paying most of it now.

Care to explain how Trump or Republicans alone can cut spending for Entitlements and debt service?

 

[jaeger19]

No, what doesn't make sense is the liberal cry for increasing Federal Income taxes to fund SS and Medicare shortfall because bureaucrats borrowed the money and failed to replenish the fund. Further what doesn't make sense is how a 1.47 trillion dollar discretionary budget funded by 1.660 trillion in Federal income taxes and 160 billion in corporate taxes creates a deficit! You liberals are totally and completely clueless when it comes to the taxes you pay and their purpose. My point remains, you want to raise taxes, do so on those NOT paying any Federal Income taxes vs. going after the rich who are paying most of it now.

Care to explain how Trump or Republicans alone can cut spending for Entitlements and debt service?

WTF are you talking about.? Did you just have a cva or something?

I asked you a pointed question:

Here:

Explain why it makes sense to say.. make a college student.. pay FIT on his job earnings he earns.... when its going to decrease his chance of staying in college and become a better taxpayer later?

Please explain your logic. You have repeatedly failed to explain what the benefit is of making a teenager getting ready to go to college..have to pay FIT.. on his meager earnings during the school year and full time in the summer..

When taking that money from him..will reduce his chances of being able to afford college and complete college thus making him a better taxpayer later.

Please explain what the benefit of making a military fellow.. who is trying to support his family on the meager pay they get.. and you want to make him pay FIT.. and end up pushing him into welfare benefits.

The result is that it makes us all have to pay more.. than if we simply let him keep his money.

Please explain why you think its a benefit to me.. for me to have to pay MORE in taxes.. to help support the military family.. after you have taken his FIT..and had to give it back in the form of welfare.. (which costs more than simply letting him keep his money.

Please answer and stop trying to divert to whatever BS you are trying to divert to.

Just defend your premise with some logic.

 

[Conservative]

WTF are you talking about.? Did you just have a cva or something?

I asked you a pointed question:

Here:

Explain why it makes sense to say.. make a college student.. pay FIT on his job earnings he earns.... when its going to decrease his chance of staying in college and become a better taxpayer later?

Please explain your logic. You have repeatedly failed to explain what the benefit is of making a teenager getting ready to go to college..have to pay FIT.. on his meager earnings during the school year and full time in the summer..

When taking that money from him..will reduce his chances of being able to afford college and complete college thus making him a better taxpayer later.

Please explain what the benefit of making a military fellow.. who is trying to support his family on the meager pay they get.. and you want to make him pay FIT.. and end up pushing him into welfare benefits.

The result is that it makes us all have to pay more.. than if we simply let him keep his money.

Please explain why you think its a benefit to me.. for me to have to pay MORE in taxes.. to help support the military family.. after you have taken his FIT..and had to give it back in the form of welfare.. (which costs more than simply letting him keep his money.

Please answer and stop trying to divert to whatever BS you are trying to divert to.

Just defend your premise with some logic.

Because living in this country comes at a cost and every Income earning American pays something, that is life, that is responsibility, learn it! You want to put an age limit on payees, go for it but until then stop with the class envy, jealousy and finally answer the question how does FIT and Corporate tax revenue in the amount of 1.9 trillion dollars cause a deficit paying for a 1.47 trillion discretionary budget plus Transportation expenses from Excise taxes? Just admit it, you have no idea what you are talking about and no understanding of the taxes you pay or their purpose. the shortfall in entitlement spending is due to Congressional abuse and that short fall should be funded by a completely separate tax and Congress held accountable for that short fall, take it off budget and have that tax fund SS and Medicare.

 

[jaeger19]

Because living in this country comes at a cost and every Income earning American pays something, that is life, that is responsibility, learn it!.

Okay so you are arguing that I HAVE to PAY MORE..in taxes.. because of you want to what? Make elderly people..and college students.. and military families.. pay FIT..for some responsibility" thing?

So I end up paying MORE in FIT..and they are more likely to end up on welfare because you pushed them there by taking away their money with FIT...

And you think that taxing me more.. and pushing people onto public assistance is somehow "more responsible"...

WTF... okay.. please explain that logically.

So you want to take away poor peoples college students, military and elderly money... in FIT.. so they end up on welfare... and that's going to teach them "responsibility"?


sorry man.. you got to explain that.

You want to put an age limit on payees, go for it but until then stop with the class envy, jealousy

umm.. dude.. I am a 1percenter.. who do you think I have class envy for? You seem to get lost in the debate here.. who are you arguing with.. because I have not once displayed any class envy or jealousy.

I want you explain why you want me to pay more in taxes.. so that you can tax poor people and push them on welfare...where they are more likely to stay on welfare.. (particularly if you are taxing college students and highschool students and making harder for them to be educated).

Just admit it, you have no idea what you are talking about and no understanding of the taxes you pay or their purpose.

umm.. you are the one that seems to have no understanding of taxes... you want people to pay FIT.. even though by taking their money.. its going to mean they go on welfare or have more welfare... which costs MORE in taxes from everyone else.

Why do you want to increase taxes on those of us in the 1%? Seriously.. please answer why you think my taxes should be higher.. so I can pay for your inefficient and stupid idea to take money away from poor folks..just to turn around and have to support them with a social program.

sounds to me..like you want government to be more inefficient and to put more people on the welfare dole.. cuz that's what your premise will create.

 

[Conservative]

Okay so you are arguing that I HAVE to PAY MORE..in taxes.. because of you want to what? Make elderly people..and college students.. and military families.. pay FIT..for some responsibility" thing?

So I end up paying MORE in FIT..and they are more likely to end up on welfare because you pushed them there by taking away their money with FIT...

And you think that taxing me more.. and pushing people onto public assistance is somehow "more responsible"...

WTF... okay.. please explain that logically.

So you want to take away poor peoples college students, military and elderly money... in FIT.. so they end up on welfare... and that's going to teach them "responsibility"?


sorry man.. you got to explain that.



umm.. dude.. I am a 1percenter.. who do you think I have class envy for? You seem to get lost in the debate here.. who are you arguing with.. because I have not once displayed any class envy or jealousy.

I want you explain why you want me to pay more in taxes.. so that you can tax poor people and push them on welfare...where they are more likely to stay on welfare.. (particularly if you are taxing college students and highschool students and making harder for them to be educated).



umm.. you are the one that seems to have no understanding of taxes... you want people to pay FIT.. even though by taking their money.. its going to mean they go on welfare or have more welfare... which costs MORE in taxes from everyone else.

Why do you want to increase taxes on those of us in the 1%? Seriously.. please answer why you think my taxes should be higher.. so I can pay for your inefficient and stupid idea to take money away from poor folks..just to turn around and have to support them with a social program.

sounds to me..like you want government to be more inefficient and to put more people on the welfare dole.. cuz that's what your premise will create.

You are rapidly become a waste of time, where did I say you should be paying more taxes. I don't give a damn what you earn or what you pay but what I do care about the abuse of SS and Medicare trust fund dollars with no attempt to correct the problem, Giving the bureaucrats more money just gives them more power and no incentive to solve the problem

Look, you want to pay someone else's tax responsibility go for it but you haven't addressed that issue only claiming that certain groups shouldn't be paying and FIT and I find that a typical liberal point of view

So in your world you can delegate responsibility which is what the left always tries to do. Still no answer to the question as to how 1.660 trillion in FIT revenue and 160 billion in corporate revenue paying for the 1.47 trillion Trump discretionary budget is an exploding deficit? Maybe math is another subject you haven't learned.

Do you have a solution for the entitlement problem because I haven't seen it. Rather than take the liberal way out of just raising taxes on the rich how about a solution. Mine is getting those income earning Americans who aren't paying FIT to pay something. You don't like mine, what is yours?

 

[jaeger19]

You are rapidly become a waste of time, where did I say you should be paying more taxes.

that's what will happened when you tax people who are poor.. and because you made them pay FIT.. it ends up pushing them into welfare or more welfare. and that welfare is less efficient because now you have to pay for government to administer that money..when you could simply let the poor keep their money.

You just don't seem to understand taxes and finances.

Giving the bureaucrats more money just gives them more power and no incentive to solve the problem

You do realize that you are the guy that is calling to take more money from poor people in FIT.. and give it to the government.. so they government than has to expand its welfare system.. to then help these people right?


YOU are the one that's calling for more money going to the government. Please explain why you want more money going to the government and thus causing an expansion of welfare services.

L

ook, you want to pay someone else's tax responsibility go for it but you haven't addressed that issue only claiming that certain groups shouldn't be paying and FIT and I find that a typical liberal point of view

Because you don't seem to have the intelligence to understand.. that when you tax these poor people. and college students.. etc... it ends up costing ME and other taxpayers MORE money..than if you left these poor people and college students and elderly alone and let them keep their own money to pay their own bills. RATHER..than take the money away from them in FIT.. and then end up having to expand welfare.. because you took away their money in the first place..and now you have pushed them further or into welfare.

S

o in your world you can delegate responsibility which is what the left always tries to do.

Umm no.. I am suggesting that it makes sense to let these folks keep their money so they can take care of their personal responsibilities. YOU want to then tax them.. then end up pushing them into welfare or more onto welfare.. and because of the extra administration costs..it ends up costing ME more.

YOU are the one that's pushing irresponsibility here.. not me.

Do you have a solution for the entitlement problem because I haven't seen it.

well.. one would be to let poor people keep more of their own money.. so that we don't end up with people paying FIT..and then having to turn around and give them welfare.. because ridiculous folks like yourself.. cannot understand that when you tax these folks..it ends up costing the taxpayer more..and pushing more people onto welfare.

You sir would increase entitlement spending.. not decrease it.

AGain… please explain why you want to make a poor person pay FIT..when paying that FIT will make them more likely to be on welfare or have to get more welfare? Why do you want to push people MORE toward entitlement spending.

 

[Conservative]

that's what will happened when you tax people who are poor.. and because you made them pay FIT.. it ends up pushing them into welfare or more welfare. and that welfare is less efficient because now you have to pay for government to administer that money..when you could simply let the poor keep their money.

You just don't seem to understand taxes and finances.

You do realize that you are the guy that is calling to take more money from poor people in FIT.. and give it to the government.. so they government than has to expand its welfare system.. to then help these people right?


YOU are the one that's calling for more money going to the government. Please explain why you want more money going to the government and thus causing an expansion of welfare services.

L

Because you don't seem to have the intelligence to understand.. that when you tax these poor people. and college students.. etc... it ends up costing ME and other taxpayers MORE money..than if you left these poor people and college students and elderly alone and let them keep their own money to pay their own bills. RATHER..than take the money away from them in FIT.. and then end up having to expand welfare.. because you took away their money in the first place..and now you have pushed them further or into welfare.

S

Umm no.. I am suggesting that it makes sense to let these folks keep their money so they can take care of their personal responsibilities. YOU want to then tax them.. then end up pushing them into welfare or more onto welfare.. and because of the extra administration costs..it ends up costing ME more.

YOU are the one that's pushing irresponsibility here.. not me.



well.. one would be to let poor people keep more of their own money.. so that we don't end up with people paying FIT..and then having to turn around and give them welfare.. because ridiculous folks like yourself.. cannot understand that when you tax these folks..it ends up costing the taxpayer more..and pushing more people onto welfare.

You sir would increase entitlement spending.. not decrease it.

AGain… please explain why you want to make a poor person pay FIT..when paying that FIT will make them more likely to be on welfare or have to get more welfare? Why do you want to push people MORE toward entitlement spending.

I don't see any reason to continue this with you as you write a fiction novel! Do you have a solution to the entitlement problem problem because you certainly haven't proven that trump and republicans are exploding the deficit



All I see from you is opinions how do you know that taxing people something will drive them into poverty do you ever think with your brain or is only with your heart?

Students or youth that live at home aren't going into poverty but do need to learn at a early age that there is responsibility for living in this country. It does appear that rich people like you are the ones that really have caused the problem because you have created in the entitlement mentality for the younger people



I gave you my solution to the shortfall and social security and medicare and you have offered none



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[Kushinator]

Still waiting for you to explain how the 1.47 trillion dollar discretionary budget funded by FIT that generated 1.8 trillion dollars in revenue is creating the deficits you want to blame on Republicans and Trump spending?

Why do you insist on attacking an argument i've never made. Republicans and Trump campaigned on reducing government spending and balancing the budget... and the results have shown the opposite. It seems they are just as much a party of spending than the Democrats. The difference being Republicans are also the party of deficits and debt. That's my argument. The levels of discretionary spending or federal income taxes are irrelevant to my point. So if you have the courage to actually address what i say, as opposed to what you want me to say, then maybe we can have a discussion.

I doubt it.

You keep running your mouth and never responding to the issue and the fact that it was Democrats that created the unified budget that is causing the problems we have today mostly due to entitlement spending

The problem we have is a lack of funding.

 

[YorkshirePete]

Okay so you are arguing that I HAVE to PAY MORE..in taxes.. because of you want to what? Make elderly people..and college students.. and military families.. pay FIT..for some responsibility" thing?

So I end up paying MORE in FIT..and they are more likely to end up on welfare because you pushed them there by taking away their money with FIT...

And you think that taxing me more.. and pushing people onto public assistance is somehow "more responsible"...

WTF... okay.. please explain that logically.

So you want to take away poor peoples college students, military and elderly money... in FIT.. so they end up on welfare... and that's going to teach them "responsibility"?


sorry man.. you got to explain that.



umm.. dude.. I am a 1percenter.. who do you think I have class envy for? You seem to get lost in the debate here.. who are you arguing with.. because I have not once displayed any class envy or jealousy.

I want you explain why you want me to pay more in taxes.. so that you can tax poor people and push them on welfare...where they are more likely to stay on welfare.. (particularly if you are taxing college students and highschool students and making harder for them to be educated).



umm.. you are the one that seems to have no understanding of taxes... you want people to pay FIT.. even though by taking their money.. its going to mean they go on welfare or have more welfare... which costs MORE in taxes from everyone else.

Why do you want to increase taxes on those of us in the 1%? Seriously.. please answer why you think my taxes should be higher.. so I can pay for your inefficient and stupid idea to take money away from poor folks..just to turn around and have to support them with a social program.

sounds to me..like you want government to be more inefficient and to put more people on the welfare dole.. cuz that's what your premise will create.

I thought it was something to do with helping others.
Or maybe the good old American way, I have mine, screw the rest
Any idea why swedes etc are not battering down our doors?
While the military takes up 1/2 our $ if you really count it, there's not enough to help people and roads etc.
Why do we need tanks in 2019?
So why did we do so well when my tax rate was 75%

 

[jaeger19]

I don't see any reason to continue this with you as you write a fiction novel! lk

Nope.. no fiction novel from me.. I LINKED to the FACTS on who and why 44% of americans don't pay FIT at any one time.

YOU didn't know any of the facts.

Do you have a solution to the entitlement problem problem because you certainly haven't proven that trump and republicans are exploding the deficit

WTF are you talking about.. we aren't debating that.. you might need to have a physician check you over since you keep making random statements and questions that have nothing to do with the discussion.

All I see from you is opinions how do you know that taxing people something will drive them into poverty do you ever think with your brain or is only with your heart?

Wait.. are you contending that taxing people.. INCREASES their finances? Seriously man.. DO YOU THINK WITH YOUR BRAIN.

If you start with someone that's already poor..and you take money from them in taxes... do they have MORE money to pay their bills.. or less?

IF they don't have money to pay their bills, heating bills, food bills, medical bills... then does it not stand to reason.. that they are MORE likely to go on welfare.. or need more welfare?

If you think not.. please explain why the government taking more money from people.. means the people have MORE money to pay their bills. :doh

Students or youth that live at home aren't going into poverty but do need to learn at a early age that there is responsibility for living in this country.

First..how do you know that students and youth that live at home are not in poverty? ARe you contending that no children in the US live in poverty?

And so.. your answer is for the government to take more money from them.. when they are working... SO.. they learn that when the work..the money is not theirs..but is actually the governments.. and then instead of paying their own bills with their own money.. they need to rely on the government to then pay their bills.


Got it. You certainly are a liberal aren't you? You want the people to learn that they must give to the government.. so instead of taking responsibility for their own bills.. with their own work..they should rely on the government taking care of them.

and the rest of us.. should have to pay more in taxes.. so that we can put these folks on the welfare dole.. rather than have them keep the money they earn working.. and use it to get an education and get out of poverty and become net tax payers.


Some liberal ideas you got there.

 

[Conservative]

Why do you insist on attacking an argument i've never made. Republicans and Trump campaigned on reducing government spending and balancing the budget... and the results have shown the opposite. It seems they are just as much a party of spending than the Democrats. The difference being Republicans are also the party of deficits and debt. That's my argument. The levels of discretionary spending or federal income taxes are irrelevant to my point. So if you have the courage to actually address what i say, as opposed to what you want me to say, then maybe we can have a discussion.

I doubt it.



The problem we have is a lack of funding.

You seem to worry about more about what trump says versus the results being generated. It is really hard to balance a budget when you have 7 interest rate hikes plus mandatory spending on the entitlement programs. My point remains that there is sufficient federal income tax and corporate tax revenue to fund the discretionary spending that trump has proposed so in essence he has balanced what he can control. Now I realize that doesn't meet your standards but it really doesn't matter because the alternative is much much worse

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[Conservative]

Nope.. no fiction novel from me.. I LINKED to the FACTS on who and why 44% of americans don't pay FIT at any one time.

YOU didn't know any of the facts.

WTF are you talking about.. we aren't debating that.. you might need to have a physician check you over since you keep making random statements and questions that have nothing to do with the discussion.



Wait.. are you contending that taxing people.. INCREASES their finances? Seriously man.. DO YOU THINK WITH YOUR BRAIN.

If you start with someone that's already poor..and you take money from them in taxes... do they have MORE money to pay their bills.. or less?

IF they don't have money to pay their bills, heating bills, food bills, medical bills... then does it not stand to reason.. that they are MORE likely to go on welfare.. or need more welfare?

If you think not.. please explain why the government taking more money from people.. means the people have MORE money to pay their bills. :doh




First..how do you know that students and youth that live at home are not in poverty? ARe you contending that no children in the US live in poverty?

And so.. your answer is for the government to take more money from them.. when they are working... SO.. they learn that when the work..the money is not theirs..but is actually the governments.. and then instead of paying their own bills with their own money.. they need to rely on the government to then pay their bills.


Got it. You certainly are a liberal aren't you? You want the people to learn that they must give to the government.. so instead of taking responsibility for their own bills.. with their own work..they should rely on the government taking care of them.

and the rest of us.. should have to pay more in taxes.. so that we can put these folks on the welfare dole.. rather than have them keep the money they earn working.. and use it to get an education and get out of poverty and become net tax payers.


Some liberal ideas you got there.

I explained how FIT is not only balancing the budget for discretionary spending but gave a solution to the entitlement mess, you ignored both, we are done as I have no interest in your fiction

 

[Kushinator]

It is really hard to balance a budget when you have 7 interest rate hikes

Did you really expect short term interest rates in the bond market to remain near zero even as unemployment fell below 5%? If so... that says it all.

plus mandatory spending on the entitlement programs.

Mandatory spending growth stems primarily from COLA, which should have (in your mind) been reflected in the economic growth promised.

My point remains that there is sufficient federal income tax and corporate tax revenue to fund the discretionary spending that trump has proposed so in essence he has balanced what he can control.

I am aware of your desire to hold Republicans you support to a lesser standard.

Now I realize that doesn't meet your standards but it really doesn't matter because the alternative is much much worse

Your opinion (based on cherry picking) has been plastered all over this sub-forum. Is that all you've got?

 

[Conservative]

Did you really expect short term interest rates in the bond market to remain near zero even as unemployment fell below 5%? If so... that says it all.



Mandatory spending growth stems primarily from COLA, which should have (in your mind) been reflected in the economic growth promised.



I am aware of your desire to hold Republicans you support to a lesser standard.



Your opinion (based on cherry picking) has been plastered all over this sub-forum. Is that all you've got?

This forum is about the skyrocketing deficit which has absolutely nothing to do with Trump who is the only one that has proposed actual spending cuts. I voted for a candidate that has pissed off both parties and is doing what HE thinks is right and I will vote for him again. You don't have any solution just 24/7 negativity against Republicans and Trump

 

[Kushinator]

This forum is about the skyrocketing deficit which has absolutely nothing to do with Trump who is the only one that has proposed actual spending cuts. I voted for a candidate that has pissed off both parties and is doing what HE thinks is right and I will vote for him again. You don't have any solution just 24/7 negativity against Republicans and Trump

We already know you're a hypocritical partisan. If you don't have anything other than lame one-sided excuses (that only apply to GOP controlled government) to the topic of the skyrocketing deficit and continuance of debt... well, then what left is there to say? Your predictions have been dead wrong since you began your career here at DP and your opinions are sophomoric at best.

 

[Conservative]

We already know you're a hypocritical partisan. If you don't have anything other than lame one-sided excuses (that only apply to GOP controlled government) to the topic of the skyrocketing deficit and continuance of debt... well, then what left is there to say? Your predictions have been dead wrong since you began your career here at DP and your opinions are sophomoric at best.

Then put me on ignore or stop lying about Trump as there is no alternative that has ever proposed actual cuts to the budget. My partisanship is proven in the results generated, results you want to ignore, Predictions? Predicting deficits is what the left does, posting actual results in context is what I do

 

[jaeger19]

I explained how FIT is not only balancing the budget for discretionary spending but gave a solution to the entitlement mess, you ignored both, we are done as I have no interest in your fiction

Who cares? That's not the debate.

The question here is: Why do you want tax poor people FIT... when by taxing them.. and taking away their earned money.. they have to go on welfare or expand their welfare benefits? Especially when doing so.. makes the rest of us have to pay MORE in FIT.

Please explain your logic.. which causes everyone to have to pay more in taxes.. and expands welfare.

 

[Kushinator]

Then put me on ignore

If you want people to ignore your lies, hypocrisy, and partisan double standards... why even post? That's all you have to offer.

stop lying about Trump

I haven't lied about Trump. Nothing you can quote from me is a lie regarding Trump. You can't and you wont.

My partisanship is proven in the results generated

The results generated are inconsistently judged based on who is in power and absolutely nothing else.

Predicting deficits is what the left does

Nothing you've predicted has come to pass. You even wrote Trump off in the Presidential race prior to the end of election night.

posting actual results in context is what I do

Only in your mind.