Defiance

[Good4Nothin]

I think the central motivation of the Trump presidency is defiance, and has been all along. What he actually does or says is secondary to the feeling of defiance.

And that defiance is what liberal/progressives hate most about him and his supporters. L/Ps generally feel they have life figured out, and their central motive is to get everyone to follow along with their Truth.

There are several different reasons that some Americans don't want to jump on the L/P bandwagon, and they have formed several defiant groups.

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

Trump is the essence of defiance. This is what has been forcing me to like him in spite of myself. The more the L/Ps despise him and are confused by him, the more I can't help liking him. It's crazy. But it's the defiance. Who the fork are you to tell me what to think? Who the fork died and appointed you God? Whatever you say, I will believe the opposite because you don't know sheet.

This is all mostly subconscious. But I think this is going on in millions of Americans' souls.

 

[DiAnna]

I think the central motivation of the Trump presidency is defiance, and has been all along. What he actually does or says is secondary to the feeling of defiance.

And that defiance is what liberal/progressives hate most about him and his supporters. L/Ps generally feel they have life figured out, and their central motive is to get everyone to follow along with their Truth.

There are several different reasons that some Americans don't want to jump on the L/P bandwagon, and they have formed several defiant groups.

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

Trump is the essence of defiance. This is what has been forcing me to like him in spite of myself. The more the L/Ps despise him and are confused by him, the more I can't help liking him. It's crazy. But it's the defiance. Who the fork are you to tell me what to think? Who the fork died and appointed you God? Whatever you say, I will believe the opposite because you don't know sheet.

This is all mostly subconscious. But I think this is going on in millions of Americans' souls.

In other words, you like being "tribal", and if it divides the nation from "actual Americans" into "Red/Blue tribes" and canonizes "defiance", you're A-Okay with it.

Actually, I'm not okay with it. I preferred when we all considered ourselves first and foremost as Americans, and our elected officials put the good of the country above their petty partisan squabbles.

 

[blarg]

I think the central motivation of the Trump presidency is defiance, and has been all along. What he actually does or says is secondary to the feeling of defiance.

And that defiance is what liberal/progressives hate most about him and his supporters. L/Ps generally feel they have life figured out, and their central motive is to get everyone to follow along with their Truth.

There are several different reasons that some Americans don't want to jump on the L/P bandwagon, and they have formed several defiant groups.

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

Trump is the essence of defiance. This is what has been forcing me to like him in spite of myself. The more the L/Ps despise him and are confused by him, the more I can't help liking him. It's crazy. But it's the defiance. Who the fork are you to tell me what to think? Who the fork died and appointed you God? Whatever you say, I will believe the opposite because you don't know sheet.

This is all mostly subconscious. But I think this is going on in millions of Americans' souls.

thinck voting for someone horrible out of spite makes one a moron and an asshole

 

[jnug]

I think the central motivation of the Trump presidency is defiance, and has been all along. What he actually does or says is secondary to the feeling of defiance.

And that defiance is what liberal/progressives hate most about him and his supporters. L/Ps generally feel they have life figured out, and their central motive is to get everyone to follow along with their Truth.

There are several different reasons that some Americans don't want to jump on the L/P bandwagon, and they have formed several defiant groups.

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

Trump is the essence of defiance. This is what has been forcing me to like him in spite of myself. The more the L/Ps despise him and are confused by him, the more I can't help liking him. It's crazy. But it's the defiance. Who the fork are you to tell me what to think? Who the fork died and appointed you God? Whatever you say, I will believe the opposite because you don't know sheet.

This is all mostly subconscious. But I think this is going on in millions of Americans' souls.

Defiance....now there is a principle of governance for you. Defiance is a relevant principle from the outside looking in. If you want to be President, your guiding principle can't be defiance.....its absurd....but then Trump is absurd....Trumpism is absurd.

Defiance is not absurd. It simply does not walk the halls of the seat of Power or your country is in a lotta' trouble.

 

[Good4Nothin]

In other words, you like being "tribal", and if it divides the nation from "actual Americans" into "Red/Blue tribes" and canonizes "defiance", you're A-Okay with it.

Actually, I'm not okay with it. I preferred when we all considered ourselves first and foremost as Americans, and our elected officials put the good of the country above their petty partisan squabbles.

No I am not at all into red and blue tribes. That is the point.

 

[Good4Nothin]

The liberal/progressive inspire defiance. You don't see how you caused it.

 

[DiAnna]

No I am not at all into red and blue tribes. That is the point.

And yet you turn around and post this:

The liberal/progressive inspire defiance. You don't see how you caused it.

Tribalism. "They" are bad; "we" are good. They are "blue"; we are "red". You are entitled to call it whatever you wish; it is, however, tribalism. Own it.

 

[ecofarm]

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

You're confused. Everyone knows that a million factors go into what politician a person supports, and sometimes it's a one issue voter/supporter. Everyone is aware of the complexities of political allegiance. As the saying goes, politics make strange bedfellows. So, none of that has ever been a mystery to anyone. You're mistaking political shots at opponents, using the oldest currency, hypocrisy, for genuine lack of understanding.

 

[Captain Adverse]

I think the central motivation of the Trump presidency is defiance, and has been all along. What he actually does or says is secondary to the feeling of defiance.

And that defiance is what liberal/progressives hate most about him and his supporters. L/Ps generally feel they have life figured out, and their central motive is to get everyone to follow along with their Truth.

There are several different reasons that some Americans don't want to jump on the L/P bandwagon, and they have formed several defiant groups.

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

Trump is the essence of defiance. This is what has been forcing me to like him in spite of myself. The more the L/Ps despise him and are confused by him, the more I can't help liking him. It's crazy. But it's the defiance. Who the fork are you to tell me what to think? Who the fork died and appointed you God? Whatever you say, I will believe the opposite because you don't know sheet.

This is all mostly subconscious. But I think this is going on in millions of Americans' souls.

:applaud

Well said.

Ignore the attempts to twist this into a negative, it is really a very insightful summation.

The Left constantly attacks, seeks to undermine and diminish, label and ostracize, demonize by any means necessary those who don't kowtow to their ways of thinking...yet we remain defiant.

 

[ecofarm]

The Left constantly attacks, seeks to undermine and diminish, label and ostracize, demonize by any means necessary those who don't kowtow to their ways of thinking...yet we remain defiant.

Not all righties are victims.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Everyone is aware of the complexities of political allegiance.

HA! hahahahah.

 

[ecofarm]

HA! hahahahah.

No, really. You shouldn't take political BS on the internet as a genuine lack of understanding by a vast group of people. That's stupid.

 

[Good4Nothin]

No, really. You shouldn't take political BS on the internet as a genuine lack of understanding by a vast group of people. That's stupid.

So ... people off the internet are delving into the complexities of political allegiance. Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

 

[ecofarm]

So ... people off the internet are delving into the complexities of political allegiance. Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

No, people on the internet know damn well that politics makes strange bedfellows because not a single one of us is fully happy with any politician. It's self evident.

But calling someone a hypocrite is politics 101.

This is obvious. Why am I explaining it? Oh yeah, because you wanna broad brush millions of people as idiots. While some righties cry about the same thing happening to them. What a circus.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

I think the central motivation of the Trump presidency is defiance, and has been all along. What he actually does or says is secondary to the feeling of defiance.

And that defiance is what liberal/progressives hate most about him and his supporters. L/Ps generally feel they have life figured out, and their central motive is to get everyone to follow along with their Truth.

There are several different reasons that some Americans don't want to jump on the L/P bandwagon, and they have formed several defiant groups.

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

Trump is the essence of defiance. This is what has been forcing me to like him in spite of myself. The more the L/Ps despise him and are confused by him, the more I can't help liking him. It's crazy. But it's the defiance. Who the fork are you to tell me what to think? Who the fork died and appointed you God? Whatever you say, I will believe the opposite because you don't know sheet.

This is all mostly subconscious. But I think this is going on in millions of Americans' souls.

Perhaps.

The one problem is, when you think about it logically, is, what are they defying?

Often they're simply being played by the players. Trump wants people to think he's going to be different, but what has he done that's different? Not much.

He's giving arms to the Saudis and money to the Israelis, he's bombed Syria, he's tried to deal with the Kims in North Korea, and at home he's done almost nothing but a tax cut for the rich. Hardly defiance kind of politics.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The liberal/progressive inspire defiance. You don't see how you caused it.

Oh, you mean as in you take no responsibility for your actions because someone MADE you dehumanize people and practice "othering".
Your mindset is decidedly that of a cult follower.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

He's giving arms to the Saudis and money to the Israelis, he's bombed Syria, he's tried to deal with the Kims in North Korea, and at home he's done almost nothing but a tax cut for the rich. Hardly defiance kind of politics.

He's giving arms NUCLEAR ****ING WEAPONS TECH to the Saudis, the people who sponsored fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists.

 

[ecofarm]

Saudis, the people who sponsored fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 terrorists.

When did we begin holding a government accountable for the actions of private citizens? There's no evidence the government was involved. They share intel with us and conduct joint anti terror operations.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

When did we begin holding a government accountable for the actions of private citizens? There's no evidence the government was involved. They share intel with us and conduct joint anti terror operations.

Saudi support for the 9/11 attacks extended to what passes for a "government" and through vast swaths of the massive "royal family". There's "no evidence" the "government" was involved?
Wow, just wow.
Exactly what is it you think constitutes a government in KSA?

I'm not some seventeen year old 9/11 troofer, just someone who was forty-four years old and following the current events.

"Saudi Arabia claims plaintiffs cannot prove the kingdom supported those who carried out the September 11, 2001 attacks"

The panel's findings 'did not discover' any role by 'senior, high-level' Saudi government officials, said officials familiar with the report, but the "commission’s narrow wording", according to critics, suggests the possibility that "less senior officials or parts of the Saudi government could have played a role".

But let's play devil's advocate and forget ALL about the House of Saud's possible support for the attacks and focus instead on security, because I also question the ability of the Saudi Royal Family to guard nuclear secrets and tech from theft and proliferation by islamist terror groups. In my humble opinion, even if the House of Saud is utterly and totally innocent of involvement in the 9/11 attacks, the risk is demonstrably high in trusting them with keeping everything safe.

It is pure and total madness, to even consider sharing nuke tech with the Saudis, absolute madness.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

When did we begin holding a government accountable for the actions of private citizens? There's no evidence the government was involved. They share intel with us and conduct joint anti terror operations.

Oh, somewhere around the time we started bombing Afghanistan.

 

[ecofarm]

Oh, somewhere around the time we started bombing Afghanistan.

The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan and supported Al Q, which was based in Afghanistan.

We didn't hold private citizens responsible in Afghanistan. We held a government responsible for its actions.

 

[ecofarm]

But let's play devil's advocate and forget ALL about the House of Saud's possible support for the attacks

Maybe some mayor of a backwoods town supported a radical cleric that had something to do with it. Maybe. So what? He doesn't represent the government of Saudi. And the government of Saudi has no interest in supporting him. He's dead.

So your hysteria is based on a meaningless "possibility".

You can't blame the Saudi government. Not with facts.

 

[KevinKohler]

I disagree with the OP. Its not about defiance.

People hold opinions they believe is correct. Otherwise, they wouldn't hold those opinions, for the most part.

Obama thought he was doing the right thing by passing the AHCA, and Trump thinks he's doing the right thing by trying to dismantle it. Just one example.

What should be under scrutiny, is HOW we've come to the conclusions we've come to. What data was presented to Obama to suggest that what he made would work? What data was presented to Trump to suggest it wouldn't? Who came up with that data, and why are they radically different?

Get to the bottom of that, instead of calling names, and whinning about defiance.

 

[ataraxia]

I think the central motivation of the Trump presidency is defiance, and has been all along. What he actually does or says is secondary to the feeling of defiance.

And that defiance is what liberal/progressives hate most about him and his supporters. L/Ps generally feel they have life figured out, and their central motive is to get everyone to follow along with their Truth.

There are several different reasons that some Americans don't want to jump on the L/P bandwagon, and they have formed several defiant groups.

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

Trump is the essence of defiance. This is what has been forcing me to like him in spite of myself. The more the L/Ps despise him and are confused by him, the more I can't help liking him. It's crazy. But it's the defiance. Who the fork are you to tell me what to think? Who the fork died and appointed you God? Whatever you say, I will believe the opposite because you don't know sheet.

This is all mostly subconscious. But I think this is going on in millions of Americans' souls.

Wow. arrighty then. Thanks for the honesty. That really explains a lot. Because it was getting a little hard d to understand. Trump is like a giant middle finger to liberals in America and to the whole world. Point taken.

So can we move along now?

 

[PeteEU]

I think the central motivation of the Trump presidency is defiance, and has been all along. What he actually does or says is secondary to the feeling of defiance.

And that defiance is what liberal/progressives hate most about him and his supporters. L/Ps generally feel they have life figured out, and their central motive is to get everyone to follow along with their Truth.

There are several different reasons that some Americans don't want to jump on the L/P bandwagon, and they have formed several defiant groups.

L/Ps get very confused when they see, for example, a born again Christian supporting a womanizer. Or a working class American supporting a guy who was born rich. Or a patriotic American supporting a draft dodger. What they fail to consider is the defiance element, that draws all these diverse people together, united against the L/Ps.

Trump is the essence of defiance. This is what has been forcing me to like him in spite of myself. The more the L/Ps despise him and are confused by him, the more I can't help liking him. It's crazy. But it's the defiance. Who the fork are you to tell me what to think? Who the fork died and appointed you God? Whatever you say, I will believe the opposite because you don't know sheet.

This is all mostly subconscious. But I think this is going on in millions of Americans' souls.

It is not defiance..

The evangelical community support a womaniser because they can manipulate him to do their bidding to achieve what they want... the second coming of Jesus. This group is in fact winning big time at the moment, as the US is promoting a new war in the Middle East that could wipe out the Jews, which is the goal for the Evangelical community since that is one of the conditions of the second coming of Jesus according to their warped religion.

The remaining Christian community are using Trump to get abortion and Womens rights banned... something they have been fighting for since the forever and it is working somewhat.

Parts of the working class American supports him because to be brutally frank.. they are stupid enough to believe his bull****. They fear their jobs, and believe that he can save them because they have not done their homework on him. This group is now realising that he is a con man and are fleeing him in droves if studies and polls are correct. The inability of Trump to keep his word on this part, will hurt him big time in the 2020 election, just as it did in the 2018 election.. and it will only get worse.

The Patriotic angle is interesting because it is solely based on a sub-group that have heavy links to the far right and Neo Nazi/White Nationalist movement. Now these unpatriotic fanatics see Trump as the way to promote their racist views and make American Grea.. I mean White again. The surge in Neo Nazi scum parading around in the open and committing terror is due to them having one of their own in the White House.

And then there are the biggest winners so far.. the ultra rich conservatives, who have gotten through tax cuts and more loopholes for themselves and impoverishing the rest of the population even more.

So in conclusion, it is not about defiance.. it is about sleeping with the devil and using Trump and his goons to get what the fringes of society have wanted for decades. Trump symbolises all the worst parts of American society and those parts have gathered in the GOP to push their agenda no matter what the consequences are. Before the GOP candidate only represented one of the above.. the tax cuts part and a bit of the abortion crap, but now in Trump the ultimate candidate that fits pretty much any box (because he is so stupid and corrupt) and is willing to push through even the most insane legislation.