Decentralized Public Health System Disrupting Testing Analysis

[ldsrptcvt]

The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

"Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

"This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
2. technologically inferior communication channels

The radio episode is at YouTube

 

[TomFitz]

The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

"Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

"This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
2. technologically inferior communication channels

The radio episode is at YouTube

The United States does not have a health care “system”.

 

[Thoreau72]

The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

"Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

"This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
2. technologically inferior communication channels

The radio episode is at YouTube

Keeping the emphasis on meaningless numbers is a good way to keep the fear factor up, and a good way to assure bigger budgets next year.

Plandemic is still the best description of this ongoing fiasco.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

The United States does not have a health care “system”.

which is biting us in the ass; if we could just agree on national reporting protocols and develop up-to-date technology for data transmission up to the CDC, we could handle pandemics better. Where is our famous high tech development when we need it? Some areas are still communicating by fax for crying out loud.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Keeping the emphasis on meaningless numbers is a good way to keep the fear factor up, and a good way to assure bigger budgets next year.

Plandemic is still the best description of this ongoing fiasco.

what are the odds that we could convince the White House that our testing and reporting need to be streamlined across state lines and that we need a "Manhattan" type project to bring public health communication channels into the 21st century?

 

[Thoreau72]

what are the odds that we could convince the White House that our testing and reporting need to be streamlined across state lines and that we need a "Manhattan" type project to bring public health communication channels into the 21st century?

Not sure about those odds. I think I get your point. Speaking of testing, this analysis by Kevin Ryan is most informative, from early April.

Dig Within | The blog of Kevin Ryan

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Not sure about those odds. I think I get your point. Speaking of testing, this analysis by Kevin Ryan is most informative, from early April.

Dig Within | The blog of Kevin Ryan

thanks. Did you get a chance to watch the video? It's interesting, especially if you're tech-y

 

[TomFitz]

which is biting us in the ass; if we could just agree on national reporting protocols and develop up-to-date technology for data transmission up to the CDC, we could handle pandemics better. Where is our famous high tech development when we need it? Some areas are still communicating by fax for crying out loud.

It is.

Not only that, the White House is using that fact to try and sow confusion, in order to promote the notion in the weaker minds, and among their hard core Trump base, that this is all some big fake, no worse than the flu etc, ad nauseous....

Trump consistantly fought any Federal role in responsibility for managing the crisis, regularly contradicted and undermined all the professionals around him, and is now busy patting himself on the back; claiming that doing nothing and bellowing at critics saved millions of lives.

The Trump bobble heads will believe this. Doing nothing, avoiding responsibility, and letting everything drift along directionless (except for the graft) got results.

Dangerous Don says so!

 

[Thoreau72]

thanks. Did you get a chance to watch the video? It's interesting, especially if you're tech-y

Along those lines, here is something recent: COVID Data: ‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’ - Global ResearchGlobal Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Why is it that dissenters are so often right?

 

[ReubenSherr]

The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

"Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

"This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
2. technologically inferior communication channels

The radio episode is at YouTube

If you want the states to have autonomy over reopening schedules, policies on church gatherings (and, for that matter, autonomy over selecting when and how to hold presidential elections), then you can't expect the federal government to be responsible for streamlining how the states collect data

If you authentically feel that Trump should be taking charge of this, then you need to let him take charge of reopening plans, policies about churches, and election methods

Otherwise, you're using federalism to cherrypick when to blame Trump

 

[marke]

The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

"Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

"This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
2. technologically inferior communication channels

The radio episode is at YouTube

It looks like CIVIE-19 science reports are a lot like global warming science reports. There are so many conflicting assumptions, interpretations, standards, prognostications, speculations, fears, alarms, opinions and other mish-mash that just about any group can make of it whatever they want to, and many do.

 

[Wayne Jr]

The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

"Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

"This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
2. technologically inferior communication channels

The radio episode is at YouTube

And the socialist push for single-payer marches on....

 

[Drawdown]

The US has no idea how to manage all the testing data it’s collecting | MIT Technology Review

"Every state health department reports the number of positive and negative tests. But then disparities arise. States can choose whether or not to slice the numbers up geographically (like by zip code); tally recovered cases and deaths (confirmed and probable); show hospitalizations and factors like ventilator or ICU usage; or include demographic information like patients’ ethnicity, age, sex, and preexisting conditions."

"This mishmash of approaches and standards is causing delays in the US response to the pandemic. Without a uniform, efficient pipeline for aggregating and reporting covid-19 testing data, we lack the up-to-date information that would help focus our efforts, and we must spend unnecessary resources and time reconciling irregularities and disparities in the numbers. Things like contact tracing, surveillance, and resource management for hospitals depend on real-time testing information, but that is hard to get when no one is reporting it in the same way."

I am dissecting an episode of MIT Technology's "Radio Corona", a discussion with Neel Patel, the author of the above article, and Dr. Erich Huang, Associate Dean of Bioinformatics at Duke University, held on May 14.
It appears that we have substantial problems with at least two things:
1. uncoordinated test data collection protocols
2. technologically inferior communication channels

The radio episode is at YouTube

States will collect and arrange the data in a way that has utility for them. If it irritates the numbers geeks, so be it.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

If you want the states to have autonomy over reopening schedules, policies on church gatherings (and, for that matter, autonomy over selecting when and how to hold presidential elections), then you can't expect the federal government to be responsible for streamlining how the states collect data

If you authentically feel that Trump should be taking charge of this, then you need to let him take charge of reopening plans, policies about churches, and election methods

Otherwise, you're using federalism to cherrypick when to blame Trump

I'm trying to find a compromise. The federalists want COMPLETE autonomy, but there are some cases where that works against us. We would be stupid not to see that. Everybody seems to black-or-white and fighting with each other. Even if we could have a regular political flip - that would be chaos having to change things back and forth. The important things (like the military and public health) can't be victims of this constant change.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

It looks like CIVIE-19 science reports are a lot like global warming science reports. There are so many conflicting assumptions, interpretations, standards, prognostications, speculations, fears, alarms, opinions and other mish-mash that just about any group can make of it whatever they want to, and many do.

There are some people who could lead us out of the forest if we would listen. I don't know **** about interoperability of diverse networks, but the guy from Duke does. I am hoping more tech people take notice and start calling for our major national data channels to keep up with the tech revolution and, yes, be centralized to prevent breakdown. Infrastructure needs to be solidly grounded.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

And the socialist push for single-payer marches on....

try a little compromise for christ's sake

 

[Wayne Jr]

try a little compromise for christ's sake

Neither system works with compromise. Oil and water. It has to be one of the other.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

States will collect and arrange the data in a way that has utility for them. If it irritates the numbers geeks, so be it.

Our backward methods are choking our data highways, which prevents good public health intelligence - much like the way wide-net mass intelligence surveillance failed to prevent 9/11. If they had switched to metadata analysis instead, it would have been seen in advance. but the old fogies at NSA wouldn't listen to the pioneers like Bill Binney. Here’s How Metadata on Billions of Phone Calls Predicts terrorist Attacks

we need to keep up with the times or lose out

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Neither system works with compromise. Oil and water. It has to be one of the other.

absolutely not true

 

[marke]

There are some people who could lead us out of the forest if we would listen. I don't know **** about interoperability of diverse networks, but the guy from Duke does. I am hoping more tech people take notice and start calling for our major national data channels to keep up with the tech revolution and, yes, be centralized to prevent breakdown. Infrastructure needs to be solidly grounded.

Like others, I believe some experts are right and others are not.

 

[Drawdown]

Our backward methods are choking our data highways, which prevents good public health intelligence - much like the way wide-net mass intelligence surveillance failed to prevent 9/11. If they had switched to metadata analysis instead, it would have been seen in advance. but the old fogies at NSA wouldn't listen to the pioneers like Bill Binney. Here’s How Metadata on Billions of Phone Calls Predicts terrorist Attacks

we need to keep up with the times or lose out

Yawn. The CDC goes by death certificates. Some states go by just what flows through their departments of health. New York just says everyone dies from it to get the extra $39K in federal money.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Like others, I believe some experts are right and others are not.

that doesn't mean you don't listen to them and do research to judge their views. Otherwise we remain stagnant.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Yawn. The CDC goes by death certificates. Some states go by just what flows through their departments of health. New York just says everyone dies from it to get the extra $39K in federal money.

I can tell you didn't watch the video; you probably couldn't follow it anyway. Had you known that 9/11 could have been prevented with better data management?

 

[Wayne Jr]

absolutely not true

Thanks for sharing your opinion I guess

 

[ldsrptcvt]

Thanks for sharing your opinion I guess

let me ask you something........if people actually did find ways to reach compromises, would you fight it? Do you in fact relish the polarity....?