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Crimes are no longer a disqualification for Republican candidates

Bullseye said:
So you respond to a thread highlighting the misbehavior of a DEMOCRATIC AG by saying it the GOP that are the misbehaviors and the Dems take the high, moral road? Huh?
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He resigned. Moore and Trump ran for office. Trump won. If you can't see a difference I can't help you.
 
Carleen said:
That being said Roy Moore has been charged with molesting young girls and he almost won. That’s the point here.
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Roy Moore was not charged with what you claim. I'm not sure how Roy Moore losing proves your point. We can both play this game. Anthony Weiner sexted while in bed with his boy. This dude was seriously messed up. Do I try to vilify Democrats for putting him in office? No. This is what is wrong with the modern Democratic partisans.
 
Crimes are an asset anymore......
 
Cardinal said:
There is a difference between being weak and assuming the other side will play by the rules in good faith. You can fight a strong and passionate campaign while simultaneous acknowledging that the other side is acting from a bottomless well of bad faith and avoiding being a criminal yourself.

tl;dr version: you can be strong without being dirty.

But if you take as given that being dirty is the only way to win, then you hand Republicans a victory by playing into their narrative that there is no good, no truth, and nothing matters except winning.
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But to the GOP nothing does matter but winning. And the 8 years of hate, vile propaganda and dirty tricks not only worked for those 8 years but it got Trump elected.

Nice guys finish last kind of thing.
 
Mr Person said:
Well, you raised it, so I'm hoping the response means I'm in bounds....

Time implies something like a 2nd-4th offense, depending on how forgiving the jurisdiction is. I'd certainly want to be able to evaluate whether you cleaned up over a sustainable period if you ran. That particular offense points to something that may or may not exist beyond mere disregard for the law.

That said, Churchill wouldn't be repeatedly electable these days. But there was a time when England very much benefited from him regardless of personal issues. It all depends.



The overall thrust of the OP is valid and concerns me. We see Dems resigning, whether under pressure or not, when these kind of accusations come to light. Especially when it's multiple accusations.

The GOP instead has rallied around anyone accused, playing stupid games to defend defend defend, while simultaneously not defending Democrats. Where were the cries from the GOP of "Innocent until proven guilty!" for Franken? For that other guy who wasn't convicted but had a mistrial (Menendez?). Etc. Moore was defended by most of his supporters. Not enough, but a whole bunch. Trump was and is defended.

It's like the GOP said en masse "well, we can't even pretend to take the moral high ground at the moment, so the moral high ground can get ****ed".



Troubling.
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And then there are the meta-games. An example.


The GOP politically accused Hillary/Obama with doing something wrong with regard to the Benghazi consulate's security requests. The congressional investigations very quickly came up empty but uncovered the fact that she had this private email server. So they focus on that. We end up with 7+ congressional investigations into an email server.

Yet what does law enforcement responsible for making charging recommendations say? It says it never recommended charges in those circumstances. It only recommended in similar circumstances PLUS aggravating factors not present for her. Response? Oh, clearly we never knew that the entire FBI was working to hurt the GOP and protect Dems - something never said before.

Ah, but its head announces the 8th investigation into Hillary just days before the election, permanently knocking her down a few points and perhaps contributing to her loss. GOP? Meh...that was still trying to protect Hillary somehow, don't think about it because there's an investigation into Trump. And apparently while the GOP's political accusation against Hillary is evidence of her criminality, the special counsel's investigation into team Trump is not, rather, it's evidence that the FBI and now the DOJ are working to protect Dems and hurt Reps....

....even though a Rep. runs the investigation, a Rep. appointed him, and a Trump-appointed Rep (who could convene a Hillary grand jury any time he wants) is leading the DOJ (ditto FBI, now). The validity of an accusation and its weight depend on entirely who is saying what about whom, and whatever was said in the past is irrelevant. The only thing matters is how to make a splash in the moment.




The GOP isn't just pissing on basic humany decency to defend its own and attack the left. It's pissing on the rule of law. And its supporters are cheering.






Democracy Finds its Fulcrum: a short story
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
But to the GOP nothing does matter but winning. And the 8 years of hate, vile propaganda and dirty tricks not only worked for those 8 years but it got Trump elected.

Nice guys finish last kind of thing.
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Okay, so you won, and you got your Democrat version of Donald Trump. Huzzah. What will you have won?

FreeWits said:
11 mayors accused of child sex-related crimes since 2016. Keep telling me how moral the Democratic Party is: 11 Mayors Accused Of Child Sex Abuse Since 20 | The Daily Caller
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Did Democratic voters elect them knowing they were criminals? I can't tell because I hit a pay wall.

This thread deals with the fact that for whatever reasons, Republicans want people they know in advance to be criminals to represent them, and that this is a statistically unusual and highly specific trend right now.
 
I lived around DC for over 25 years

Google Marion Barry and tell me the dems don’t also elect criminals

It isn’t all one sided...never has been....never will be

There are toads on both sides, and we the public are tired of being asked to kiss their damn ass
 
FreeWits said:
Roy Moore was not charged with what you claim. I'm not sure how Roy Moore losing proves your point. We can both play this game. Anthony Weiner sexted while in bed with his boy. This dude was seriously messed up. Do I try to vilify Democrats for putting him in office? No. This is what is wrong with the modern Democratic partisans.
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Moore should have been disqualified from running given what he was accused of by some of these girls. Wiener resigned when it was found out what he was doing. That’s the point! I’m not defending Dems over Reps just saying Reps are more acceptable of wrong doing when it comes to running for a public office it seems.
 
Cardinal said:
Okay, so you won, and you got your Democrat version of Donald Trump. Huzzah. What will you have won?



Did Democratic voters elect them knowing they were criminals? I can't tell because I hit a pay wall.

This thread deals with the fact that for whatever reasons, Republicans want people they know in advance to be criminals to represent them, and that this is a statistically unusual and highly specific trend right now.
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Did the Republicans elect Arpaio or Moore post-scandal? No, they didn't.
 
Carleen said:
Moore should have been disqualified from running given what he was accused of by some of these girls. Wiener resigned when it was found out what he was doing. That’s the point! I’m not defending Dems over Reps just saying Reps are more acceptable of wrong doing when it comes to running for a public office it seems.
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Your point is childish and you should try being a grown up in the way you think about things. Republicans voted against Moore, yet because he technically didn't concede, you count that against the Republican base. It's the height of not growing up to think like an adult.
 
Roadvirus said:
You just now figured that out??
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No, not just figuring that out but Trump has lead politics even lower in the barrel than even Satan could have imagined.

Satan is loving this **** ..................... happy, happy .............
 
cuban smokes said:
No, not just figuring that out but Trump has lead politics even lower in the barrel than even Satan could have imagined.

Satan is loving this **** ..................... happy, happy .............
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Satan huh?
Whatever. :roll:
 
Cardinal said:
Yesterday's incident, in which New York Attorney General and Democrat Eric Schneiderman was found to have committed multiple abuses against women and was subsequently fired from a canon out of office in just three hours, made me remember this article.

"Grimm has uncovered a new reality in the constantly changing world of Republican politics: Criminal convictions, once seen as career-enders, are no longer disqualifying. In the era of President Trump, even time spent in prison can be turned into a positive talking point, demonstrating a candidate’s battle scars in a broader fight against what he perceives as liberal corruption.

In a startling shift from “law-and-order Republicans,” Trump has attacked some branches of law enforcement, especially those pursuing white-collar malfeasance, as his allies and former campaign officials are ensnared in various investigations.

Following his lead, Republican Senate candidates with criminal convictions in West Virginia and Arizona have cast themselves as victims of the Obama administration’s legal overreach. Another former Trump adviser who pleaded guilty to a felony has also become an in-demand surrogate, as Republicans jump at the chance to show their opposition to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.

“Here’s a general rule of thumb: Lawmakers should not be lawbreakers,” said Susan Del Percio, a New York GOP consultant who advised Grimm in 2010 but opposes his candidacy. 'I guess it’s a different political norm we are facing today.'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...90efaf1f1ee_story.html?utm_term=.08a9c23ce5fc

The case could be made that Trump, with multiple allegations of sexual assault against him as well as a university scam in which he bilked regular Americans out of nearly a quarter billion dollars, could be seen at first to be an outlier. However, a trend began to take shape when Montana voters happily embraced Greg Gianforte after he assaulted a liberal reporter and elected him into the House of Representatives the next day. This trend has only continued, notably with Republican support for Judge Arpaio; and Roy Moore, credibly accused of sexual relations with minors when he was a district attorney in Alabama.

So I guess the most obvious question I have for Republicans is...Hey, what's up? What's with you and your embrace of criminals lately? Seriously, let's talk about this.
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What do you mean Republicans?

Do you remember MARION BARRY?
 
Mason66 said:
What do you mean Republicans?

Do you remember MARION BARRY?
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Yes, Marion Barry. And...?

So far you were able to list one Democrat in one city from years ago. What I'm referring to a country wide phenomenon compacted into a year and a half's worth of time. You've picked one example. I'm talking about an entire trend that goes beyond an isolated example.
 
FreeWits said:
Your point is childish and you should try being a grown up in the way you think about things. Republicans voted against Moore, yet because he technically didn't concede, you count that against the Republican base. It's the height of not growing up to think like an adult.
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My point is right on, but of course you don’t have to agree. You have a nice night.
 
Chillfolks said:
Republicans catching up to what the Democrats did back in the 60's. Not much to talk about. Both parties look the other way if the candidate in question had a chance at gaining power.
But by all means ignore that and make it seem like it's just one party being hypocrites
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Trust me when I say that they not only caught up, they passed the Dems of the 60's like a Mercedes passing a Trabant on the Autobahn.

 
Cardinal said:
Yesterday's incident, in which New York Attorney General and Democrat Eric Schneiderman was found to have committed multiple abuses against women and was subsequently fired from a canon out of office in just three hours, made me remember this article.

"Grimm has uncovered a new reality in the constantly changing world of Republican politics: Criminal convictions, once seen as career-enders, are no longer disqualifying. In the era of President Trump, even time spent in prison can be turned into a positive talking point, demonstrating a candidate’s battle scars in a broader fight against what he perceives as liberal corruption.

In a startling shift from “law-and-order Republicans,” Trump has attacked some branches of law enforcement, especially those pursuing white-collar malfeasance, as his allies and former campaign officials are ensnared in various investigations.

Following his lead, Republican Senate candidates with criminal convictions in West Virginia and Arizona have cast themselves as victims of the Obama administration’s legal overreach. Another former Trump adviser who pleaded guilty to a felony has also become an in-demand surrogate, as Republicans jump at the chance to show their opposition to special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign.

“Here’s a general rule of thumb: Lawmakers should not be lawbreakers,” said Susan Del Percio, a New York GOP consultant who advised Grimm in 2010 but opposes his candidacy. 'I guess it’s a different political norm we are facing today.'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...90efaf1f1ee_story.html?utm_term=.08a9c23ce5fc

The case could be made that Trump, with multiple allegations of sexual assault against him as well as a university scam in which he bilked regular Americans out of nearly a quarter billion dollars, could be seen at first to be an outlier. However, a trend began to take shape when Montana voters happily embraced Greg Gianforte after he assaulted a liberal reporter and elected him into the House of Representatives the next day. This trend has only continued, notably with Republican support for Judge Arpaio; and Roy Moore, credibly accused of sexual relations with minors when he was a district attorney in Alabama.

So I guess the most obvious question I have for Republicans is...Hey, what's up? What's with you and your embrace of criminals lately? Seriously, let's talk about this.
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Marion Barry

:)
 
Fledermaus said:
And?

He wasn't only convicted he was elected multiple times after the convictions...

He IS the poster boy for electing a convict.....
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And he is an isolated, highly unusual and specific figure in a specific city. What’s happening now is a nationwide trend and it’s only happening with republicans.
 
Cardinal said:
And he is an isolated, highly unusual and specific figure in a specific city. What’s happening now is a nationwide trend and it’s only happening with republicans.
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You've just been making stuff up. You say there is a nationwide trend and earlier you said what the statistics show. There are no statistics and there is no nationwide trend. It's just your perception.
 
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