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COVID-19 Cases Are Rising, So Why Are Deaths Falling?

And here you go...making it political. Thanks for reinforcing my point.
Trump tried to politicize the pandemic by claiming it was some leftist hoax from the beginning. That strategy failed, and pointed out Trump's failed (non)response to the pandemic isn't politicizing anything. It is just stating the truth.
 
Trump did everything the federal government could do...support the states in their decisions.

What...did you actually want Trump to tell the states what they WILL do? Sorry, he doesn't have that power.

Everything the federal government could do to support the states? Really???

While governors were pleading with their constituents to wear masks, Trump was ridiculing the wearing of masks, saying that people just wear them to be politically correct and saying the people wear them to show they don’t approve of him. As a result people who support Trump are far less likely to wear masks, just look at his rallies.

How about LIBERATE, LIBERATE when states decided they were not ready?

Or now trying to force states to open schools fully when some are not ready to take that approach yet?

Also, from the very beginning states have been pleading for more testing capabilities. Trump has consistently drug his feet. Only the president has the power to mobilize private industry. His efforts have been weak at best.

Definitely NOT everything the federal government could do.


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That data set shows that cases began spiking over 4 weeks ago...

The daily new cases graph? Yeah, it does. After a slow decline. And if you scroll down a bit further to daily new deaths You'll find it too was declining but about a week ago took an upward trend.
It's too early to panic about the new deaths trending upwards but it's not what you want to see, that's for sure.
 
I'm just a bit tired of people dismissing deaths because they involve the old and/or the sick. If you don't think your death matters, that's fine, but you don't get to diminish the deaths of others for stupid political reasons.

And, yes, stay inside. But what happens when the virus spreads in the community is it WILL spread to older people and it's because the old and the sick interact with the young invincibles every day. In Knoxville a month ago, we had zero outbreaks in nursing homes. Now as of today we have 7 facilities with outbreaks, and they've all started with employees bringing the virus in, because those people are under 65, they have spouses and children, and when the virus spreads out among the invincible young, there is no magic wall to keep it from spreading to the vulnerable.

If you'd like to challenge that statement on the merits, that's fine, but using a 5 syllable word thinking you're making an intelligent point isn't going to work. I can see the data. I've said for months on here that the threat to the old, vulnerable population is directly correlated with the spread in the broader community, that when it's widespread in the community, every place I've seen shows it spreading to nursing homes, etc. That's what the data show. If you like, show me any community where the virus was widespread and the virus did NOT spread to nursing homes and the like. Can you do that or do you want to call me weak and timid as an argument?

View this. She says what we are doing is the exact opposite of what we should. The same things I have been telling all of you since the beginning. We need to gain immunity form this and the way to do it is not to hide under your bed.

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LOL, I see, it's not political to absolve the President of all blame, and shift it downhill to the governors, but pointing out the failure of leadership from the top is political. How does that work exactly? It's political and unfair, really, if it makes your Dear Leader look bad?

Your concept of leadership is just bizarre here. What you're demanding, really, is that we all consider the President of the United States, with enormous influence in the GOP and large swaths of the public, as worthless, useless, someone that no one should pay attention to, because if states do as he puts enormous pressure on them to do, it's all their fault for following Trump's leadership, which of course they should ignore. It's a bit incredible really.

Since the responsibility for decisions rests at the state level, you are correct. It's not political to hold those governors responsible for their decisions.

For sure, Trump has influence...but he's not the king. He doesn't...cannot...tell the governors what to do.

Seriously, you should make up your mind. Do you want the governors to make their own decisions...and accept responsibility for them? Or do you want them to do what Trump tells them so you can blame Trump?
 
If those under 65 go about their daily lives, we'll quickly infect the vast majority of those over 65. If you don't care if they die, that's fine, but you need to own that position. Or, tell us how to erect that invisible shield that somehow protects the old from infected, young invincibles. Can you tell us how it's done?

There was a great graphic the other day about how a single family gathering spread COVID to at least 41 people. In one case, young children infected their grandparents, who then infected another senior. In another case it spread to a senior through a family member going to work, infecting someone there, and it then spread to a senior. That's how it works. No matter how hard seniors try, they cannot shut off interactions with young people, because it's the young who staff medical offices, grocery stores, etc. and if the seniors aren't in a facility, the (relatively) young, like me, care for our parents. I'm the primary care giver to my mother in law (age 90), and also do a great deal for my mother (82). So what affects me and those like me WILL affect them. Especially since half of us who get it never know it, and can spread it without ever feeling sick.

See above. People like you are robbing me and others of gaining immunity and should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
BS. Telling people not to wear masks makes the problem worse. And the federal government could and should have done FAR more.Aggressively stockpiling medical supplies, providing funding to state governments so they can actually handle the pandemic, setting federal stay at home guidelines and polices...so much more could have been done. See most other developed countries for what this would look like.


You mean like telling the states to open schools even when states and medical professionals agree it is a bad idea? I guess you are fine with the president telling states what to do as long as you agree with it, right?

The Trump administration DID stockpile medical supplies, as well as distribute them. Congress provided funding...which is their job, not the President's. The Trump administration provided guidelines, but the governors decided what they would do.

Regarding schools...Trump is telling them what he thinks they should do, but it's their decision to do it or not.
 
Trump tried to politicize the pandemic by claiming it was some leftist hoax from the beginning. That strategy failed, and pointed out Trump's failed (non)response to the pandemic isn't politicizing anything. It is just stating the truth.

Trump correctly identified the actions of his opponents early on. The Trump haters DID make **** up (hoax).

The whole notion that Trump failed in his administration's response is a political attack from the haters. He failed nothing.
 
Everything the federal government could do to support the states? Really???

While governors were pleading with their constituents to wear masks, Trump was ridiculing the wearing of masks, saying that people just wear them to be politically correct and saying the people wear them to show they don’t approve of him. As a result people who support Trump are far less likely to wear masks, just look at his rallies.

How about LIBERATE, LIBERATE when states decided they were not ready?

Or now trying to force states to open schools fully when some are not ready to take that approach yet?

Also, from the very beginning states have been pleading for more testing capabilities. Trump has consistently drug his feet. Only the president has the power to mobilize private industry. His efforts have been weak at best.

Definitely NOT everything the federal government could do.


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I've already responded to your spinning nonsense in those other posts...you know...the ones where you all regurgitate the **** the talking potato heads in the media tell you.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
View this. She says what we are doing is the exact opposite of what we should. The same things I have been telling all of you since the beginning. We need to gain immunity form this and the way to do it is not to hide under your bed.

YouTube

It's 20 minutes. I listened to enough to know she's full of ****. She implies it's not very contagious, but that's wrong. We know this from the data. She flatly says children don't spread COVID, but I've not seen evidence of that. She also said that there's no need for masks, social distancing, or avoiding large gatherings, etc. Well, the people in hotspots with ICUs and hospital beds filling up to capacity might take issue with this reckless moron. That's just what I got from skipping around randomly.

So if you want to summarize any of her arguments, do it, but I'm not wasting any more time with a hack spreading dangerous disinformation.
 
Since the responsibility for decisions rests at the state level, you are correct. It's not political to hold those governors responsible for their decisions.

Right, and when Trump puts enormous public pressure on those states to reopen, and now for schools to reopen, if they do as he publicly demands, none of the consequences are Trump's fault! They were idiots and listened to the President!! WHAT FOOLS!!!

For sure, Trump has influence...but he's not the king. He doesn't...cannot...tell the governors what to do.

Seriously, you should make up your mind. Do you want the governors to make their own decisions...and accept responsibility for them? Or do you want them to do what Trump tells them so you can blame Trump?

Again, what you're demanding here is that we all consider Trump, the President, as a worthless, useless leader in a pandemic. I agree, actually, but it's bizarre that a Trump defender would make that argument, that of course his leadership is worthless and useless, that we should ignore him and every word that comes out of his mouth. I mean, of course in a national pandemic, nothing is his fault. He's just the President! That's your argument, and the standard you're to which you're holding Trump.

That's where we are in the Trump era. Amazing period to live through, in many ways.
 
See above. People like you are robbing me and others of gaining immunity and should be ashamed of yourselves.

I'm not robbing you of anything. Go lick some doorknobs. I've been told by this doctor it's not risky, so go hang out at your local ED, obviously don't wash your hands or wear a mask, touch everything in the place, then suck on your fingers if you want. We support your efforts to get infected, although your doctor expert says it's really hard to do despite the evidence from the so-called experts. What do THEY know?
 
Right, and when Trump puts enormous public pressure on those states to reopen, and now for schools to reopen, if they do as he publicly demands, none of the consequences are Trump's fault! They were idiots and listened to the President!! WHAT FOOLS!!!



Again, what you're demanding here is that we all consider Trump, the President, as a worthless, useless leader in a pandemic. I agree, actually, but it's bizarre that a Trump defender would make that argument, that of course his leadership is worthless and useless, that we should ignore him and every word that comes out of his mouth. I mean, of course in a national pandemic, nothing is his fault. He's just the President! That's your argument, and the standard you're to which you're holding Trump.

That's where we are in the Trump era. Amazing period to live through, in many ways.

No state has to do what Trump tells them and most governors have no problem making up their own minds on what to do.

shrug...

If you think his leadership is worthless, then don't vote for him. But don't make **** up about him. That only brands you as a liar.
 
It's 20 minutes. I listened to enough to know she's full of ****. She implies it's not very contagious, but that's wrong. We know this from the data. She flatly says children don't spread COVID, but I've not seen evidence of that. She also said that there's no need for masks, social distancing, or avoiding large gatherings, etc. Well, the people in hotspots with ICUs and hospital beds filling up to capacity might take issue with this reckless moron. That's just what I got from skipping around randomly.

So if you want to summarize any of her arguments, do it, but I'm not wasting any more time with a hack spreading dangerous disinformation.

There were FIFTY views to my OP on this. I DID take my own time, about an hour or so, to transcribe nearly her entire video. FIFTY people read my OP and they ALL ran away from the truth. This is like Mormons getting proof positive that Joseph Smith lied about everything and closing their eyes. FIFTY of you! So sad.

She says that outside of New York, thus virus has been mainly a nursing home issue. At about 6:00 she says that the national response has been horribly misguided. The idea of social distancing isn't even an established health care concept. It was based on a theoretical model explored by a high school student in a science fair some years ago looking at how an infectious disease MIGHT hypothetically be spread as the result of potential exposures among kids at school. IOW, it was never scientifically based as a method of responding to a pandemic.

What is scientifically based is that the SICK are isolated and quarantined indoors. Keeping healthy people isolated from one another simply isn't necessary. Masks are intended for the ILL when they will be potentially in contact with others. The WHO and the CDC and the New England Journal of Medicine have now all acknowledged that there is no scientific justification for normal healthy people to be wearing masks and prolonged increase the risk because people touch their face more and we end up re breathing particles that our lungs have exhaled whether its pollen, bacteria or a virus. They are trapped in the mask and on the next inhale we breathe them back in. We also breathe in more carbon dioxide from masks that are not surgical ones. Habitual wearing decreases the bodies natural response because we are supposed to come into contact regularly with foreign agents like bacteria and viruses which is what helps keep our immune systems on alert and working at full capacity. Your immune system then goes into vacation mode and won't be there when you need it. Covid 19 is not significantly contagious and takes quite a significant face-to-face exposure according to the New England Journal of Medicine.

The CDC NOW admits that there a very low risk of transmission from hard surfaces. The human body has a highly advanced immune system and we come into contact daily with viruses and sends an army to fight them off. When we come into contact again our immune system goes into action and quickly creates antibodies. Herd immunity is when the vast majority of people has already been exposed and has developed antibodies and then the virus dies off. Let people be exposed knowing they won't likely become ill but will develop antibodies naturally so that another outbreak can't and won't take hold. Children should be out and about because they have virtually no risk and then they will develop antibodies. Waiting for a vaccine before we return to our lives doesn't make sense. There have been many viruses around longer than Covid and scientists have never created a vaccine.

ALL of the above is what I have been saying since DAY ONE on this. I think I could have made the video. It is posted mainly to conservatives so that they (you) can have the ammunition you need for friends and relatives I know that the left will ignore everything she is saying because it goes against what their tribal leaders in MSM have drilled into them 24/7.

On a final note, it is sad how easily an entire society can be duped like this. Dr. Fauci has been a disaster and so have many other professional recommending masks and distancing. I told someone a few weeks back that your group has stopped me from gaining immunity to the howls of some of you. You are not only cheating ME...you are cheating you loved ones.
 
I'm not robbing you of anything. Go lick some doorknobs. I've been told by this doctor it's not risky, so go hang out at your local ED, obviously don't wash your hands or wear a mask, touch everything in the place, then suck on your fingers if you want. We support your efforts to get infected, although your doctor expert says it's really hard to do despite the evidence from the so-called experts. What do THEY know?

You would have me arrested if I had no mask. You would call Mayor Garcetti on me.
 
No state has to do what Trump tells them and most governors have no problem making up their own minds on what to do.

shrug...

If you think his leadership is worthless, then don't vote for him. But don't make **** up about him. That only brands you as a liar.

I'm not making anything up about him. If you think I've lied, point out the lie.

And I won't vote for him, obviously. What I don't get is how you guys who love him approve of a President who has, according to you, absolved himself of any obligation to lead us in this pandemic, and in fact cannot be held accountable for anything, including that decision.

Obviously Trump is uninterested in testing. We're seeing the result of that because the wait for results is a week or 10 days, which is worthless for track and trace. But of course that's not the President's fault, but the 50 states and the private sector. He could as President have organized a national testing response, but chose not to, and that we in July 2020 don't have the capacity to test like we need obviously isn't his problem or obligation! Etc.
 
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You would have me arrested if I had no mask. You would call Mayor Garcetti on me.

Actually no, I wouldn't. I see idiots without masks every time I go out and do nothing but avoid them.

But the point is I'm sure if you try hard enough you can catch the virus. Just go where there are lots of those sick with COVID. In my area, it's the ED. Maybe you right wingers can organize a COVID party like they did in Alabama? Be creative, take some initiative. If you want to get sick with COVID I'm sure you can find a way if you try at all! Just Do It!
 
Trump correctly identified the actions of his opponents early on. The Trump haters DID make **** up (hoax).

The whole notion that Trump failed in his administration's response is a political attack from the haters. He failed nothing.
Trump identified actions of his opponents? What does that even mean?

And what exactly was made up? That COVID-19 had the potential to kill thousands? It did. That it could spread quickly? It does. That masks help stop the spread? They do. Meanwhile, Trump played down the risk of death, suggested cases would be at zero back in March, and has refused to wear masks (and actively encouraged his supporters not to wear masks) for the last several months. Trump's failure is easily measured - 137,000 dead Americans and counting.
 
The Trump administration DID stockpile medical supplies, as well as distribute them. Congress provided funding...which is their job, not the President's. The Trump administration provided guidelines, but the governors decided what they would do.

Regarding schools...Trump is telling them what he thinks they should do, but it's their decision to do it or not.
No, Trump is threatening to cut funding for schools that do not reopen. If you are going to be a mindless apologist of the president, you at least need to stay up to date on what he is doing. Sounds like you disagree with him here maybe.
 
Actually no, I wouldn't. I see idiots without masks every time I go out and do nothing but avoid them.

But the point is I'm sure if you try hard enough you can catch the virus. Just go where there are lots of those sick with COVID. In my area, it's the ED. Maybe you right wingers can organize a COVID party like they did in Alabama? Be creative, take some initiative. If you want to get sick with COVID I'm sure you can find a way if you try at all! Just Do It!

Well, lemme see here. My son and his wife are both involved in the treatment of seriously ill people in hospital and emergency situations and both contracted it as a result and were badly sick. I will be visiting them this coming Friday and staying the weekend. Hopefully, I will contract it then. They are the lucky ones now. They have gained immunity as NATURE INTENDED!!! I will keep you posted.
 
No, Trump is threatening to cut funding for schools that do not reopen. If you are going to be a mindless apologist of the president, you at least need to stay up to date on what he is doing. Sounds like you disagree with him here maybe.

Schools that don't reopen should not pay a dime in salaries or benefits. It's a good gig to get paid NOT to work.
 
Schools that don't reopen should not pay a dime in salaries or benefits. It's a good gig to get paid NOT to work.

Somehow, I doubt that congress would agree to stop (cut?) school funding on that basis.
 
Schools that don't reopen should not pay a dime in salaries or benefits. It's a good gig to get paid NOT to work.
Why should the government stop paying teachers who teach virtually? Or do you mistakenly think teachers have been sitting at home doing nothing?
 
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