COVID-19 Cases Are Rising, So Why Are Deaths Falling?

[Lakryte]

Virtual doesn't cost as much as in-person.

Why should teachers get paid less for teaching virtually?

 

[iguanaman]

If more people get it and less people die from it, that places the virus in the realm of a cold or flu.

Nothing to destroy our economy...issue authoritarian edicts...get all hypocritical...about.

But, of course, the Dems and T-haters won't let this go. It's all they have at the moment to run with in their election campaign against Trump.

Well we had 15,000 new cases in Florida Saturday. If that isn't "letting it go" I don't know what is. Happy now?

 

[Mycroft]

Why should teachers get paid less for teaching virtually?

I didn't say anything about teacher's pay.

Do you think that's the only cost of in person schools? Heck, I don't even think teacher's pay is the biggest cost.

 

[Mycroft]

Well we had 15,000 new cases in Florida Saturday. If that isn't "letting it go" I don't know what is. Happy now?

15,000 "new cases" isn't necessarily a bad thing.

How many people got colds?

 

[Lakryte]

I didn't say anything about teacher's pay.

Do you think that's the only cost of in person schools? Heck, I don't even think teacher's pay is the biggest cost.

Between 80-85% of school budgets go towards salaries. I'd imagine teacher salaries make up the bulk of that 80-85%.

Is your argument that school funding should be cut be because of the pandemic or what?

 

[George50]

I've already responded to your spinning nonsense in those other posts...you know...the ones where you all regurgitate the **** the talking potato heads in the media tell you.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)

Interesting. You post lies and when you are exposed you have no response. So you get mad and you spew out the nonsense above.

No matter, everyone here saw the truth. You blame the media (who else does that?) but every response I gave comes not from talking heads but from Trump’s own mouth.

Post facts or you will be exposed.


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[ttwtt78640]

They shouldn't. They should go without pay like private industry.

In case you hadn't noticed private industry does not have the power to force you to fund their establishments. If they did then rest assured that they too would pay their employees whether they were open or not - that was attempted by enacting the PPP "loan" program invented by congress.

 

[Mycroft]

Between 80-85% of school budgets go towards salaries. I'd imagine teacher salaries make up the bulk of that 80-85%.

Is your argument that school funding should be cut be because of the pandemic or what?

I haven't made that argument at all. Please re-read what I said if you have any questions.

 

[Indie guy]

COVID-19 Cases Are Rising, So Why Are Deaths Falling?

The gap between soaring cases and falling deaths is being weaponized by the right to claim a hollow victory in the face of shameless failure. What’s really going on?

Trumps recent claim that COVID is "harmless" is poppycock and disinformation. That more people are being infected by COVID but less are dying is probably due to a falling age median, more people are wearing a mask and social distancing, and finally the medical people who treat COVID have learned how to go about it much better. For example, they have learned that putting people on a ventilator is the wrong thing to do. There are also now better medications for treatment like Remdesivir.

However, there is also bad news. Health professionals now have enough data to draw some onerous conclusions. COVID attacks many internal body organs via the ACE2 receptor found on most organ cells. COVID badly damages internal organs (including the brain) and also creates blood clots throughout the body. COVID also causes the body to produce enormous amounts of inflammatory proteins called cytokines. This creates what is called a 'cytokine storm' which causes severe symptoms in a human body. COVID can forever scar the lungs of young people. This virus is a cryptic devil. It can brutalize people’s bodies for weeks or months even if it doesn’t kill them.

Obviously younger people are contracting it more than ever, but their bodies are generally stronger and able to fight off the harmful infections compared to their elders.

 

[Lakryte]

I haven't made that argument at all. Please re-read what I said if you have any questions.

Hmm. Interesting. What did you mean by the below then, which was in response to me pointing out that Trump wanted to cut funding from schools that did not reopen for in-person instruction?

If schools do not open, then they don't need the federal money. After all, they have no students.

 

[JasperL]

You sound like a Christian apologist. Anything that goes against your belief system, you dismiss out of hand. We are talking about how the body and the immune system. Making people avoid the virus is the worst thing we can do.

That's why no one replied in your thread. I addressed your comments in detail, and your response is, in its entirety, the equivalent of "NUH UHH!!!"

Shame on me for wasting my time debunking an ignorant idiot.

 

[George50]

There were FIFTY views to my OP on this. I DID take my own time, about an hour or so, to transcribe nearly her entire video. FIFTY people read my OP and they ALL ran away from the truth. This is like Mormons getting proof positive that Joseph Smith lied about everything and closing their eyes. FIFTY of you! So sad.



ALL of the above is what I have been saying since DAY ONE on this. I think I could have made the video. It is posted mainly to conservatives so that they (you) can have the ammunition you need for friends and relatives I know that the left will ignore everything she is saying because it goes against what their tribal leaders in MSM have drilled into them 24/7.

On a final note, it is sad how easily an entire society can be duped like this. Dr. Fauci has been a disaster and so have many other professional recommending masks and distancing. I told someone a few weeks back that your group has stopped me from gaining immunity to the howls of some of you. You are not only cheating ME...you are cheating you loved ones.

“The virus is mainly a nursing home issue.” Not true. According to CDC data more than 2/3 of COVID-19 hospitalizations are under 65. They don’t break down the over 65 and obviously not all people over 65 are in nursing homes so the vast number of hospitalizations are not nursing home patients. Again most (more than 2/3) are under 65 years old.

Being sick enough to need to be hospitalized from a virus IS an issue whether or not you end up dying from it. No one wants to be that sick and we don’t yet understand what long term impact the virus will have on survivors.

You say that masks are for the ill. The problem with that is we don’t know who the ill are. Early on we didn’t know that people who are not showing symptoms were infectious. That’s why medical professionals (not just Fauci) changed their minds about the need for masks.

The successful countries are wearing masks, social distancing, and have a robust testing, quarantine and contact tracing program. To state that these measures do not work is just denying the obvious.

This whole business of arguing over what individual measures work and which don’t is pretty much pointless anyway. At this point we have many countries that are doing far better than we are and the obvious thing to do is to just copy what they are doing.


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[JasperL]

They only recently contracted the virus and live out of state. Our visit was planned 3 weeks ago and we are not afraid to be visiting them, like some others here would be. They did not quarantine themselves. One is a medic and fireman. He is out saving lives.

Yeah, I don't believe you. If he's ill ("badly sick" as you described him) and therefore contagious and out among the public, doing "medic" duties, he's a reckless idiot and should be fired. And no employer would knowingly allow an employee "badly sick" and tested positive for COVID to be giving medical attention in a "medic" scenario, because he is highly contagious and could be spreading COVID to the most vulnerable in the population.

So try your BS with someone else.

 

[George50]

Yes. Definitely.

You live in an alternate reality if you think teachers are doing nothing when they conduct online classes.


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[minnie616]

The latest that was reported by Doctors in the United States is that Remdesivir was reported In the United States that 62 percent of patients who needing ventilators or high flow oxygen survive instead of about 20 percent.

 

[Mycroft]

Hmm. Interesting. What did you mean by the below then, which was in response to me pointing out that Trump wanted to cut funding from schools that did not reopen for in-person instruction?

I think my words are pretty clear. Don't you?

 

[JasperL]

Good source. I like it.

It's also convincing evidence that a vaccine is not necessary and that the time for lock downs has passed.

lol, that's nonsense.

And deaths are now rising, so there's that. This is what obviously was going to happen. We first saw more cases translate to more hospital stays, and now we're seeing it in rising death counts. We first started seeing cases explode in mid June, and it takes about 4 weeks on average from exposure to a death recorded in the statistics. So these slight rises in deaths we're seeing today are from cases from a month or more ago. Unless there's a miracle, deaths will continue to go up as this recent explosion in cases works through the predictable timeline -

exposure => symptoms (7 days) ==> hospitalization (7 days) ==> death (7 days) ==> death in the stats (7 days).

Those are in rounded number of days but the total is about right - 28 days from exposure to death recorded, with huge variation just one std deviation from those averages.

 

[Lakryte]

I think my words are pretty clear. Don't you?

I thought so, but you apparently meant something else. Feel free to explain.

 

[Stopandthink]

Why should teachers get paid less for teaching virtually?

It’s less collectively, we don’t need as many teachers for virtual learning


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[George50]

You sound like a Christian apologist. Anything that goes against your belief system, you dismiss out of hand. We are talking about how the body and the immune system. Making people avoid the virus is the worst thing we can do.

Avoiding the virus is the only logical choice at this point. No country is anywhere near herd immunity. Not even Sweden. It would take years before herd immunity is achieved anywhere. We don’t even know if those who have been sick prior to today will still be immune a year from now. If not, it is unlikely that naturally acquired herd immunity is even possible.

Our best hope now is to minimize the damage so that people can feel safe enough to lead relatively normal lives until a vaccine is available. Most developed countries have successfully achieved this primarily through wearing masks, social distancing and a robust testing, quarantine and contact tracing program.


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[minnie616]

Schools that don't reopen should not pay a dime in salaries or benefits. It's a good gig to get paid NOT to work.

If schools do not open, then they don't need the federal money. After all, they have no students.

Teachers will still be required to work providing online classes as they when schools buildings were closed this spring due to the
pandemic this spring.

Somehow, I doubt that congress would agree to stop (cut?) school funding on that basis.

I agree. Congress is in charge ot the federal money and that money is for programs for the disadvantaged or for special needs children.

 

[Mycroft]

I thought so, but you apparently meant something else. Feel free to explain.

sigh...

Comprehension is rocket science. I meant exactly what I said.

 

[Jay59]

lol, that's nonsense. And deaths are now rising, so there's that. This is what obviously was going to happen. We first saw more cases translate to more hospital stays, and now we're seeing it in rising death counts. We first started seeing cases explode in mid June, and it takes about 4 weeks on average from exposure to a death recorded in the statistics. So these slight rises in deaths we're seeing today are from cases from a month or more ago. Unless there's a miracle, deaths will continue to go up as this recent explosion in cases works through the predictable timeline - exposure => symptoms (7 days) ==> hospitalization (7 days) ==> death (7 days) ==> death in the stats (7 days). Those are in rounded number of days but the total is about right - 28 days from exposure to death recorded, with huge variation just one std deviation from those averages.

So you keep saying. There is reason for some caution and moderation, but no indication of real trouble.

What's interesting is the discussion of school in six to eight weeks. They try to claim it's about the kids health when the annual flu is a bigger danger for the 5-25 age groups. It's nothing more than politics making mountains out of ant mounds.

 

[iguanaman]

15,000 "new cases" isn't necessarily a bad thing.

How many people got colds?

How many people die from colds? 136,000 people have died from Covid 19 in the U.S. and it is not even half over. You guys have really become a death cult.

 

[JasperL]

So you keep saying. There is reason for some caution and moderation, but no indication of real trouble.

What's interesting is the discussion of school in six to eight weeks. They try to claim it's about the kids health when the annual flu is a bigger danger for the 5-25 age groups. It's nothing more than politics making mountains out of ant mounds.

I don't know what's hard about this. Kids' parent's aren't generally 5-25, and their parents go to work in offices and stores and other places with older people. And lots of teachers are older - many nearing retirement. And schools have lots of staff like people who clean, and those who work in the cafeteria, and who drive buses who are not age 5-25. The kids have grandparents who are older. The kids go to daycare, where people like my friend works, and she's 64.

My goodness - just think about this stuff for a full minute and maybe you won't make statements that ignore all the actual issues. So it's not only about the kids but everyone - and there are many - who will in the course of a day or week interact with those kids, and then who will interact with that group directly exposed to kids, etc.

So draw a series of rings, representing a different level of people. One child in the middle ring. Her parents and brothers and sisters and teachers and bus drivers and soccer and football and basketball coaches, and others I mentioned in the second ring. Then the parent's places of work, and the teachers' family, the bus drivers' family in a third ring. Then the workplaces of the family in the next ring. Then who they see regularly in the next ring. About 10 rings out is the totality of concerns.