Courts hammer Trump for sabotaging Obamacare, in rulings that could cost the Treasury billions

[Conservative]

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with insurer performance over the last decade. But let's move beyond that. Massachusetts has been running this model for 12 years now and it's got the lowest individual market premiums and most robust insurer competition in the country. Hardly a model "designed to collapse."



The co-ops were defunded and destabilized by the GOP. A pity, since the competition they were injecting into their markets was holding down premium growth in those states that got one before they were defunded.



This isn't foregone revenue, it's payouts to insurers. Double payouts, really, since the payouts are covering spending the insurers have already recouped. Unnecessary spending caused by the GOP's relentless sabotage campaign.



Medical "oil or tire changes" are called primary care, which isn't a major cost driver.

You continue to make my point, Mass is running its own program and this is a state issue and states can run it better than Federal Bureaucrats. Been saying that all along, you convince your state to implement the program and let them do it as all uninsured claims go against the state anyway and most states care about their citizens and do offer other alternatives. Healthcare is a personal responsibility issue and best handled at the state level

 

[Conservative]

Trump drove premiums up 37% in 2018 (despite most actuarial and financial analyses suggesting they would've been flat in the absence of his deliberate sabotage attempts). Looks like insurers slightly overshot in projecting the magnitude of the Trump premium spike. Maybe it should've only been an unnecessary ~35% jump or so!

Are you ever going to accept the fact that ACA was a flawed system sold on lies? People did not get to keep their doctors nor their medical plans as it appears you like Obama don't understand the private sector

 

[ludin]

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with insurer performance over the last decade. But let's move beyond that. Massachusetts has been running this model for 12 years now and it's got the lowest individual market premiums and most robust insurer competition in the country. Hardly a model "designed to collapse."

Prehaps you should read the 3 or 4 articles that i posted and the last time i check MA was controlled by democrats. There little healthcare thing didn't work out that well.

The co-ops were defunded and destabilized by the GOP. A pity, since the competition they were injecting into their markets was holding down premium growth in those states that got one before they were defunded.

Wrong the co-ops couldn't keep open because well they couldn't afford it.

Medical "oil or tire changes" are called primary care, which isn't a major cost driver.

Actually it is a major driver. if i have to pay for every time you sneeze then i am going to charge you way more money
than if i don't have to.

 

[MTAtech]

i always found it funny how some people claim the ACA was so horrible while ignoring the fact people (in government) were letting the air out of the tires, draining it of gas, removing the spark plugs and blacking out the windshield and then claiming see its not working as they walk away whistling.

is it perfect? of course not, did it fix everything? of course not but it was a start and eventhough it has had success it could have even more. you keep building on it and fix the parts that dont work, you dont sabotage it with nothing to replace it thats just dumb and hateful and selfish while MORE Americans suffer.

Obamacare Fails to Fail

 

[AGENT J]

Obamacare Fails to Fail

Nice link! but trust me i know

like i have said many times. I cant walk in anybody else shoes. Im sure there are people out there that have had problems with the ACA but the reality is it has done wonders for millions. It has benefit me personally and is factually responsible for saving my moms life . . while . .giving her a chance and extending her life. Without it she would either be dead already or i would have to put up my house and move us into an appointment to pay fr about a year of bills and then id be screwed again. Without the ACA should would NEVER be able to have the coverage she does now.

Lots of nieces and nephews (i have 3 brothers and 3 sisters) got to be covered for longer under their parents insurance

i personally never have to feel out paper work ever again for stupid preexisting conditions because multiple times insurance companies tried to deny me meds when i switched jobs

 

[jaeger19]

I'm good with bringing the get a horse crowd into it like Medicare. I'll be voting for that.

What do you mean by "medicare?"...

Medicare part A
Medicare part B
Medicare part D?

What do you mean? Do even know what you support and why?

 

[jaeger19]

Has Trump tried to fix Healthcare? Since he hasn't gotten what he has proposed then your comments about his lies doesn't exist. Obama's lies hurt a lot of people AFTER ACA was implemented. You cannot seem to grasp the difference all because of nothing but hatred towards Trump or basically any Republican

nope.. trump has actually hurt healthcare. Deliberately hurt healthcare.

And Obama's "lies".. didn;t really hurt the nation. . The reality is at the end of the day Obamacare helped way more people than it hurt.

 

[Tbird19482]

While the middle class working people got hammered under the ACA and eventually became the new uninsured.

Yup.....a pure freaking liberal masterpiece!

Before you blame it all on the liberals you should read the act and do a little research into just who wrote what part of it.
for one thing unlike the Trump / Republican tax cut bill the Dems did NOT shut out the Republicans, the Republicans got to amend it and had a hand in writing it.
a if you look into it most of what the Republicans put in it was what failed and most of it was put into it so it would fail.
If it had not been gutted by Trump those amendments to it would have killed it eventually.
and now that the insurance Companies have raised their rates thanks to Trump they won't be lowering them.
Just one more thing Trump has messed up and the average hard working man is going to have to pay for
Have a nice night

 

[Bullseye]

Before you blame it all on the liberals you should read the act and do a little research into just who wrote what part of it.
for one thing unlike the Trump / Republican tax cut bill the Dems did NOT shut out the Republicans, the Republicans got to amend it and had a hand in writing it.
a if you look into it most of what the Republicans put in it was what failed and most of it was put into it so it would fail.
If it had not been gutted by Trump those amendments to it would have killed it eventually.
and now that the insurance Companies have raised their rates thanks to Trump they won't be lowering them.
Just one more thing Trump has messed up and the average hard working man is going to have to pay for
Have a nice night

How about a few specifics on what "the Republicans put in". And, of course, given the party splits in the House and Senate nothing the Dems didn't WANT in their made the cut.

 

[Tbird19482]

Are you ever going to accept the fact that ACA was a flawed system sold on lies? People did not get to keep their doctors nor their medical plans as it appears you like Obama don't understand the private sector

Everybody I know that went on it kept the Doctor they wanted.
Have a nice night

 

[Tbird19482]

Yes but let's forget about Trump's lies about pre existing conditions and him saying everyone who wants HI will get it and will be able to afford it. Both are blatant lies of the worse kind..

Over two years now and the Republicans have not repealed it or Replaced it like they said they would
They had complete control of the US government for two years and did nothing.
Just more Republican lies
have a nice night

 

[Helix]

What do you mean by "medicare?"...

Medicare part A
Medicare part B
Medicare part D?

What do you mean? Do even know what you support and why?

This is the part where you pretend that you and i are starting from square one on this issue. Same old routine.

 

[Conservative]

nope.. trump has actually hurt healthcare. Deliberately hurt healthcare.

And Obama's "lies".. didn;t really hurt the nation. . The reality is at the end of the day Obamacare helped way more people than it hurt.

The big lie is your lean.

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[Tbird19482]

How about a few specifics on what "the Republicans put in". And, of course, given the party splits in the House and Senate nothing the Dems didn't WANT in their made the cut.

Well it is said that " many of the amendments Republicans introduced were technical in nature."
I do not know for sure what this means but the Republicans added a lot of things to the bill
Here
Amendments - H.R.3590 - 111th Congress (2009-2010): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
PolitiFact: Did Obamacare pass with Republican input?
Set the health care record straight: Republicans helped craft Obamacare
Obamacare Included Republican Ideas, but the G.O.P. Health Plan Has Left Democrats Out - The New York Times
Gutierrez says 'hundreds of Republican amendments' were a part of Obamacare | PolitiFact
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ped-craft-obamacare-ross-baker-column/5239520
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/21/us/health-care-amendments.ht
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-amendments-to-a-senate-health-care-bill.html

Hope that helps you
have a good night

 

[Bullseye]

Well it is said that " many of the amendments Republicans introduced were technical in nature."
I do not know for sure what this means but the Republicans added a lot of things to the bill
Here
Amendments - H.R.3590 - 111th Congress (2009-2010): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
PolitiFact: Did Obamacare pass with Republican input?
Set the health care record straight: Republicans helped craft Obamacare
Obamacare Included Republican Ideas, but the G.O.P. Health Plan Has Left Democrats Out - The New York Times
Gutierrez says 'hundreds of Republican amendments' were a part of Obamacare | PolitiFact
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ped-craft-obamacare-ross-baker-column/5239520
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/21/us/health-care-amendments.ht
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...-amendments-to-a-senate-health-care-bill.html

Hope that helps you
have a good night

LOL, yeah, as I said the GOP didn't get anything into ACA that the Dems didn't want them to. Probably why not a single Republican voted for it.


ETA: Your politifact link says the following:

Gutierrez said that "hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted" during the drafting of the 2010 health care law. His statement has some basis, because Republican amendments were adopted in both the House and the Senate during the legislative process. Most of these amendments were not particularly meaningful, though, so calling it a bipartisan enactment effort remains a stretch.
We rate this claim Half True.

QED

 

[Fearandloathing]

As long as that single payer is you and not me, I'm fine with it.

Wow.

Does that ever show ignorance.

BTW, you propagandists call it single payer. It is not called that anywhere else. The most common form of health insurance by country is "universal health care."

For the record in all my working life I seldom paid more taxes than I would in the US (It was only after I topped $100K that ny rate exceeded the US) and yet I have free medical care through our system.

What you have now is the worst of all worlds, it is Fascist to force taxpayers to buy something from a for profit supplier.

Good luck with your bills in the meantime

 

[Fearandloathing]

Not sure anyone working for a large corporation or the government (state,city,federal) would trade their insurance for medicare.

Here is a tale of two health care plans.

About five years ago, a colleague of mine in Ohio was diagnosed diabetic. Her GP put her on the most popular medication but she did not get better. A year later I was diagnosed diabetic. Four days later I was in front of a specialist and enrolled in a special program to teach you how to treat your diabetes. To this day I have not needed meds, I am in remission because it was caught so early and I had the tools to treat it, diet and exercise.

The sad part. My friend in Ohio did not get to see a specialist until two months after I had, about 14 months after being diagnosed. They never did get ahead of it, she just wasted away and dies about two years ago.

She was a retired career US Air Force master sergeant and employee of the state of Ohio.

Now I need point out that my medical is the Canadian plan, the one Americans claim has 'death squads"

You people are so easily frightened, I don't understand that. I bet if we "rebranded" health care like Trump does his so called policies and called it say "People's choice" medical plan we would have it by Saturday.

Even better if you get the name Trump in there...

 

[washunut]

Here is a tale of two health care plans.

About five years ago, a colleague of mine in Ohio was diagnosed diabetic. Her GP put her on the most popular medication but she did not get better. A year later I was diagnosed diabetic. Four days later I was in front of a specialist and enrolled in a special program to teach you how to treat your diabetes. To this day I have not needed meds, I am in remission because it was caught so early and I had the tools to treat it, diet and exercise.

The sad part. My friend in Ohio did not get to see a specialist until two months after I had, about 14 months after being diagnosed. They never did get ahead of it, she just wasted away and dies about two years ago.

She was a retired career US Air Force master sergeant and employee of the state of Ohio.

Now I need point out that my medical is the Canadian plan, the one Americans claim has 'death squads"

You people are so easily frightened, I don't understand that. I bet if we "rebranded" health care like Trump does his so called policies and called it say "People's choice" medical plan we would have it by Saturday.

Even better if you get the name Trump in there...

Clearly you had no understanding of what I wrote. Then stupidly IMO threw in partisan nonsense to prove my point.

 

[Greenbeard]

You continue to make my point, Mass is running its own program and this is a state issue and states can run it better than Federal Bureaucrats.

That was the assumption of the ACA's authors (since they were Senators). It turned out not to be true, as most states weren't able to run it better than federal bureaucrats and voluntarily turned over operation of their markets to the feds.

Regardless, at this point the primary reason the remaining state-based exchanges tend to be the most successful is that they're not run by GOP nihilists actively trying to destroy them.

Are you ever going to accept the fact that ACA was a flawed system sold on lies? People did not get to keep their doctors nor their medical plans as it appears you like Obama don't understand the private sector

Anybody who thought Obama controls their insurer's network development doesn't understand the private sector.

Prehaps you should read the 3 or 4 articles that i posted and the last time i check MA was controlled by democrats. There little healthcare thing didn't work out that well.

"Their little health care thing" has the lowest marketplace premiums in the country, eight insurers competing in its marketplace, the lowest uninsurance rate in America, and slower health care cost growth than the rest of the country. Designed to fail!

Wrong the co-ops couldn't keep open because well they couldn't afford it.

...because they were defunded and destabilized by the GOP.

Actually it is a major driver. if i have to pay for every time you sneeze then i am going to charge you way more money
than if i don't have to.

The American health care system doesn't cost three and a half trillion dollars because we're treating too many sneezes. Get real. Underinvesting in primary care doesn't save money.

 

[Tbird19482]

LOL, yeah, as I said the GOP didn't get anything into ACA that the Dems didn't want them to. Probably why not a single Republican voted for it.


ETA: Your politifact link says the following:

QED

thank you for your biased opinion,
Just like the Republicans did with the big Trump tax cut for the rich
At least the republicans had the opportunity to add things to and amend the ACA the Dems didn't even get to do that with the tax cut bill
I hope the next time the Dems have complete control of the US Government like the republicans did when they passed the tax bill the Dems push something like that through and then the Republicans will have to live with it like we have to live with this tax cut for the Rich
Have a nice night

 

[Nickyjo]

Remember 3 things about Obamacare.

1. You can keep your Doctor if you like your Doctor. A lie!

2. You can kepp your healthcare insurance if you like it. A lie!

3. A middle class fsmily will save $2500.00 per year on their healthcare. A lie!

All 3 lies were spread by Obama time after time. Obamacare was a failure the first day it went into effect.

A very flawed program from the start.

That’s what they get for acting like republicans. Seriously, the ACA was probably the best they could do given the power of insurance companies. They couldn’t even get a public option in it. But don’t fret. We will probably join the rest of the world soon.

 

[Conservative]

That was the assumption of the ACA's authors (since they were Senators). It turned out not to be true, as most states weren't able to run it better than federal bureaucrats and voluntarily turned over operation of their markets to the feds.

Regardless, at this point the primary reason the remaining state-based exchanges tend to be the most successful is that they're not run by GOP nihilists actively trying to destroy them.



Anybody who thought Obama controls their insurer's network development doesn't understand the private sector.



"Their little health care thing" has the lowest marketplace premiums in the country, eight insurers competing in its marketplace, the lowest uninsurance rate in America, and slower health care cost growth than the rest of the country. Designed to fail!



...because they were defunded and destabilized by the GOP.



The American health care system doesn't cost three and a half trillion dollars because we're treating too many sneezes. Get real. Underinvesting in primary care doesn't save money.

We have seen how effective the federal bureaucracy is with a 22 trillion dollar debt, ACA debacle that raised insurance rates, cost us doctors and pushed people off their plan. Big gov't programs never are more effective than state programs as states are closer to the problem than federal bureaucrats

Where did you learn that it was someone else's responsibility to pay for your personal responsibility issues? The costs of the American Healthcare system may be too high but you haven't even come close to focusing on the reason why, FEDERAL GOV'T with taxes, regulations, and legal costs

 

[jaeger19]

This is the part where you pretend that you and i are starting from square one on this issue. Same old routine.

Seriously man? Really? So you can't even answer?

We have never ever ever started from square one.. because you have never been willing to even start at any square. All you have done is "single payer".. and "just like other countries".

Which encompasses a whole bunch of things. So now.. you have "medicare for all". Okay.. well at least try to be intellectually honest. What do you mean by Medicare for All? Medicare part B.. Medicare Part A.. Medicare part D?

What do you mean?

Heck.. at least get that far. Because its going to be real interesting to see if the democrats proposed "medicare for all".. is going to be what YOU think it should be.

 

[jaeger19]

The big lie is your lean.

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I defy you to provide any position of mine that is not truly conservative. Smaller, more efficient government, fiscal responsibility etc.

I can give you a whole bunch of position you hold.. that are not conservative.

 

[Idiometer]

You are correct, what a tangled piece of crap the ACA "web" was. IMO never should have been created, at least not using private insurers.

I would have preferred a modification of Medicare and Medicaid since we are all already taxed for that.

I'll never forgive the Democrats for caving on that original "public option" back in 2009 when they held all of the gavels. Wankers!