"Countries With Stricter Gun Laws Have Less Murders"

[TurtleDude]

"Countries With Stricter Gun Laws Have Less Murders" is not cherry picking.

Figure the numbers. It's true.

no it isn't and Russia, RSA and Mexico prove you are wrong.

 

[DebateChallenge]

South Africa's gun ownership per capita in 9.26 per 100 people. In The United States it's 120 per 100 people.

SA has 36 murders per 100,000 people. The U.S. has 5 per 100,000.

Those numbers destroy the argument that more guns mean more murders.

My point exactly, and South Africa is not the only example.

 

[PeteEU]

So then the answer is to combat poverty, income inequality, and racism, not taking away gun rights.

No one is taking gun rights away.. most people just want simple background checks and regulations that dont put the guns in the hands of wack jobs that will go out and shoot up an elementary school.

It is amazing that you need a drivers license to own and drive a car, but guns.. naw no checks needed there! You need to be 21 to drink in the US, but buy a gun.. naw no problem young 12 year old. American priorities are absolutely ****ed up.

 

[danielpalos]

Perhaps the most favorite game that the gun control crowd loves to play is to point out how countries with stricter gun laws have less murders. Countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan, all of which have very strict gun control, all have lower murder rates than a country such as the U.S.A. which is much more gun friendly. Making such claims is all fine and dandy if you want to cherry pick but just because a country has stricter gun laws doesn't mean it has a lower murder rate and just because a country is more gun friendly doesn't mean it has a higher murder rate.

Take for instance the country of South Africa. In South Africa they've got much stricter gun control than in the USA and they've also got a much higher murder rate. The murder rate in the USA is roughly 5.3 per 100,000 people whereas in South Africa its roughly 35.9 per 100,000 people. So in the country of South Africa with their much stricter gun laws they've got a murder rate that's close to 7 times higher than that of the much more gun friendly USA. So there you have it, stricter gun control does not mean less murders and if you point out countries such as the U.K. and Australia and Japan you're doing nothing but cherry picking and that's all there is to it.

We should be regulating our militias well.

 

[Outlook]

It's also important to note that gun violence in the US is very concentrated. A big portion of the US murder rate is Democrats killing each other in inner city neighborhoods. Leave them out and the US is an extremely safe country.

Exactly and don’t forget that over 60% of these killings are due to illegal guns.

 

[apdst]

No one is taking gun rights away.. most people just want simple background checks and regulations that dont put the guns in the hands of wack jobs that will go out and shoot up an elementary school.

It is amazing that you need a drivers license to own and drive a car, but guns.. naw no checks needed there! You need to be 21 to drink in the US, but buy a gun.. naw no problem young 12 year old. American priorities are absolutely ****ed up.

Communist-Democrats are trying to ban guns. That is, taking gun rights away.

There aren't any background checks for getting a driver's license. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

 

[aociswundumho]

No one is taking gun rights away.. most people just want simple background checks and regulations that dont put the guns in the hands of wack jobs that will go out and shoot up an elementary school.

School shootings are extremely rare. They average about 12 deaths per year. If you really cared about gun violence you would focus on the inner city Democrats who have shootouts in the streets every single day. Thousands and thousands of deaths, but instead you bring up school shootings. Please explain how stricter background checks are going to apply to inner city Democrats.

It is amazing that you need a drivers license to own and drive a car, but guns.. naw no checks needed there!

You don't need a drivers license to own a car, and drivers licenses in general show that licensing schemes do nothing for public safety. I see idiot drivers on the road every single time I go out.

 

[jamesbyoung]

no it isn't and Russia, RSA and Mexico prove you are wrong.

The great majority of the West have fewer murders.

You pick outliers only. How sweet.

 

[vegas giants]

The great majority of the West have fewer murders.

You pick outliers only. How sweet.

First world countries with strict gun laws have fewer gun deaths.

 

[jamesbyoung]

Communist-Democrats are trying to ban guns. That is, taking gun rights away. There aren't any background checks for getting a driver's license. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

While there are no communist dems, Republican fascists abound. No one is taking the right to have guns away. And since people with guns kill people, regulate people, and that is what Red Flag Laws do.

 

[vegas giants]

Communist-Democrats are trying to ban guns. That is, taking gun rights away.

There aren't any background checks for getting a driver's license. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

Actually there is

 

[jamesbyoung]

School shootings are extremely rare. They average about 12 deaths per year. If you really cared about gun violence you would focus on the inner city Democrats who have shootouts in the streets every single day. Thousands and thousands of deaths, but instead you bring up school shootings. Please explain how stricter background checks are going to apply to inner city Democrats. You don't need a drivers license to own a car, and drivers licenses in general show that licensing schemes do nothing for public safety. I see idiot drivers on the road every single time I go out.

aociswundumho is either silly in the head or malignantly motivated. (1) Driver licensing does work. (2) Right wing violence is greater than left wing violence.

The Dems are going to sweep this fall and make American a permanent majority state under the Dens.

 

[jamesbyoung]

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[CaughtInThe]

It's also important to note that gun violence in the US is very concentrated. A big portion of the US murder rate is Democrats killing each other in inner city neighborhoods. Leave them out and the US is an extremely safe country.

This post is very misleading because it attempts to make people to believe that pretty much all of the gun violence happens to democrats in big cities. That is 100% false.

Do you want me to start listing all the women who are gunned down by their husbands and boyfriends every day. I can do that because they come from all over the country.

 

[Threegoofs]

The gun culture you speak of exists in areas of the US where violent crime is very low. Again, the highest murder rates occur where Democrats are shooting at each other out in broad daylight in inner cities. Gun culture denotes people who love guns, not people who love violence.

Wrong, of course.

If you look at murder rates in the top ten counties in the US, only about four are urban- NOLA, St Louis, DC and Baltimore.


The 10 most murderous counties in the U.S. | PoliceOne.com

But that’s actual factual information, and doesn’t work on brainwashed ‘conservatives’

 

[aociswundumho]

This post is very misleading because it attempts to make people to believe that pretty much all of the gun violence happens to democrats in big cities. That is 100% false.

I agree, it is 100% false. But note that I didn't say "pretty much all", I said "A big portion of", which is 100% true.

 

[aociswundumho]

Wrong, of course.

If you look at murder rates in the top ten counties in the US, only about four are urban- NOLA, St Louis, DC and Baltimore.


The 10 most murderous counties in the U.S. | PoliceOne.com

But that’s actual factual information, and doesn’t work on brainwashed ‘conservatives’

Why go by county? Going by county is as meaningless as going by state. For example, Connecticut has a very low murder rate, but the city of Hartford has a very high violent crime rate.

The truth is, take away the Democrats in inner cities murdering each other, and the US is an extremely safe country.

 

[vegas giants]

Why go by county? Going by county is as meaningless as going by state. For example, Connecticut has a very low murder rate, but the city of Hartford has a very high violent crime rate.

The truth is, take away the Democrats in inner cities murdering each other, and the US is an extremely safe country.

False. Most of the gun deaths come from alaska, alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi.....etc

 

[aociswundumho]

(1) Driver licensing does work.

All drivers licensing does is make it easier for the government to keep track of you, which is precisely why you want licensing for all gun owners, not just for those who carry.

(2) Right wing violence is greater than left wing violence.

Left wing violence includes the victims of communism and socialism, so you lose. Big time.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Wrong, of course.

If you look at murder rates in the top ten counties in the US, only about four are urban- NOLA, St Louis, DC and Baltimore.


The 10 most murderous counties in the U.S. | PoliceOne.com

But that’s actual factual information, and doesn’t work on brainwashed ‘conservatives’

The larger the area used then the less meaningful the crime statistics become. Using a county (or large city) which contains many neighborhoods (or zip codes) helps to hide the fact that 50% of that larger area's violent crime may be from one or two neighborhoods (or zip codes) while the other 20 neighborhoods (or zip codes) each have 2.5% of that larger area's violent crime.

 

[Maidenrules29]

And Brazil, they have gun control laws and a murder rate out of control.

Now compare the USA with a Western Country similar to the USA, not South Africa.

South Africa has hosted the Olympics and the World cup. Not exactly a third world or undeveloped country.....I think the comparison is fair. You yourself put Brazil out there right? Is Brazil a fair comparison to the U.S. or is it not a "western" country either? How about Mexico? VERY strict gun control yet murder is out of control.....

 

[jamesbyoung]

All drivers licensing does is make it easier for the government to keep track of you, which is precisely why you want licensing for all gun owners, not just for those who carry. Left wing violence includes the victims of communism and socialism, so you lose. Big time.

No, my friend, you don't get to change the goal posts, not even a little. Libertarian conspiracy theories are just geekish nonsense, Yes, driver's licensing works to keep the freaks and the insane of the road. Right wing violence includes militarism and fascism and naziism and Trumpism and white supremacism.

And you can't even define communism or socialism accurately. Millennials and younger GenXrs are not afraid of your silly buzz words.

 

[jamesbyoung]

South Africa has hosted the Olympics and the World cup. Not exactly a third world or undeveloped country.....I think the comparison is fair. You yourself put Brazil out there right? Is Brazil a fair comparison to the U.S. or is it not a "western" country either? How about Mexico? VERY strict gun control yet murder is out of control.....

Nope, the comparison is not fair. The European West has a far less murder rate than cowboy America.

 

[Threegoofs]

Why go by county? Going by county is as meaningless as going by state. For example, Connecticut has a very low murder rate, but the city of Hartford has a very high violent crime rate.

The truth is, take away the Democrats in inner cities murdering each other, and the US is an extremely safe country.

I guess when you don’t want to face facts, you pretend looking by county is a stupid idea.

Which makes your hypothesis self fulfilling. If we only look at cities, clearly the only murders that happen are in cities.

Wow. So much derp.

 

[Threegoofs]

The larger the area used then the less meaningful the crime statistics become. Using a county (or large city) which contains many neighborhoods (or zip codes) helps to hide the fact that 50% of that larger area's violent crime may be from one or two neighborhoods (or zip codes) while the other 20 neighborhoods (or zip codes) each have 2.5% of that larger area's violent crime.

Yes.

Because I like to measure murder by land area.