Cops tase 11 year old

[PoS]

Hmm....., LEO's use tasers routinely on fleeing felons, rather than using deadly force..
Fleeing felon Rule Common Law
Fleeing felon rule. At common law, the fleeing felon rule permits the use of force, including deadly force, against an individual who is suspected of a felony and is in clear flight. Force may be used by the victim, bystanders, or police officers.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/f/fleeing-felon-rule/

So you think an 11 year old child stealing anything is a felony now and deadly force is permitted? What's next, a crying baby is considered a terrorist and should be blasted by a drone's Hellfire missile? What a warped view of reality.

 

[Rogue Valley]

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The original post did not identify the stolen items....."Cincinnati police officers used a Taser on an 11-year-old girl accused of stealing from a supermarket. Officers approached the girl on Monday night after suspecting she was using a backpack to shoplift items from the Kroger store."

In what state is shoplifting a candy bar a felony?

 

[Rogue Valley]

I served in the military more than likely well before you were a glimmer in your mother's eyes.

You certainly didn't learn anything useful and sensical.

 

[Bodi]

Why? You contribute nothing to the story.

It already flew past... anyway. What do you want to talk about next?

 

[Lursa]

In what state is shoplifting a candy bar a felony?

Exactly. Shoplifting items from a grocery store would have to reach into the thousands of $$ to reach felony-level. That musta been one BIG backpack! :roll:

 

[Rogue Valley]

Exactly. Shoplifting items from a grocery store would have to reach into the thousands of $$ to reach felony-level. That musta been one BIG backpack! :roll:

Some the these "law and order" phreaks are sadists. Do the worst you can and then let God (and city lawyers) sort it out.

 

[Lursa]

Some the these "law and order" phreaks are sadists. Do the worst you can and then let God (and city lawyers) sort it out.

I posted this in the thread about the SYG shooting in FL:

There are people that take great comfort in life being black and white and support laws that are such.​

It gives them a false sense of security AND it absolves or confirms people's responsibilities FOR them, relieving them of some moral decisions. They accept the law, that means they are relieved of morally examining actual justice.

 

[Doc91478]

So you think an 11 year old child stealing anything is a felony now and deadly force is permitted? What's next, a crying baby is considered a terrorist and should be blasted by a drone's Hellfire missile? What a warped view of reality.

You're spewing Bull. The "11 year old girl" in question is a juvenile delinquent that stole. Had she a pistol and used it you'd be still crying that she's a only 11 years old. Children younger than her have been known to kill before. Did the P.O. know she wasn't armed when he used the taser? I don't think so.

Children who kill - From shootings to stranglings, 11 evil ...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kids-who-kill-shootings...
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Murderous Children: 11-Year-Old Serial Killer Mary Bell ..
https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/Murderous-Children-Mary-Bell

 

[Lursa]

You're spewing Bull. The "11 year old girl" in question is a juvenile delinquent that stole. Had she a pistol and used it you'd be still crying that she's a only 11 years old. Children younger than her have been known to kill before. Did the P.O. know she wasn't armed when he used the taser? I don't think so.

Children who kill - From shootings to stranglings, 11 evil ...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kids-who-kill-shootings...
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Murderous Children: 11-Year-Old Serial Killer Mary Bell ..
https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/Murderous-Children-Mary-Bell

What? If even an 11 yr old had a lethal weapon the discussion would not be remotely the same.

WTF kind of specious fantasizing is that?

She was walking away, no weapons at all ever viewed. The cops werent 'guessing' here.

 

[jaeger19]

My nephew is a cop and very familiar with the taser. With individuals wearing no/thin shirt, if either of the barbs (or both) lodge in the spinal area, that is a department-mandated trip to the ER via ambulance.

The ER performs back-radiographs to verify position and depth. Usually an ER doc can carefully remove the barb. Sometimes barb removal is dicey and a trauma surgeon is summoned.

There is also a danger of Thoracic spine compression fracture after being tasered from thrashing about.

That's in soft tissue. not in the spine. and that's CYA.. in other words department policy to cover their Butt. BUT.. as I presented the evidence.. the likelihood of injury is extremely low..

And if there is a danger of thoracic spine compression fracture.. their is even greater danger of compression fracture with a physical takedown.

 

[Doc91478]

What? If even an 11 yr old had a lethal weapon the discussion would not be remotely the same.

WTF kind of specious fantasizing is that?

She was walking away, no weapons at all ever viewed. The cops werent 'guessing' here.

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No I'm not spewing a specious fantasy as you claim. Children even younger than 11 are more than capable of killing. A lot of our G.I.'s in Iraq and Afghanistan have either been wounded or dead because they underestimated children.
Not to burst your bubble but you're wrong the girl was not walking away. She was according to the police resisting arrest and fleeing (running) not walking.

"The girl resisted and fled, according to cops, before she was shocked with the stun gun."​

If I were you I'd go back and read the original post.

 

[Doc91478]

Cincinnati cops use Taser on 11-year-old girl caught stealing from Kroger supermarket

Unless their safety is threatened with a weapon, I see no reason for police officers to use a taser on an 11 year old girl suspected of misdemeanor theft (shoplifting).

Related: Taser used on 11-year-old who stole food, Cincinnati police say

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I guess then you'd ban the use of a taser against a teenager on PCP, or wacked out on meth trying to fight the PoPo?

 

[Lursa]

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No I'm not spewing a specious fantasy as you claim. Children even younger than 11 are more than capable of killing. A lot of our G.I.'s in Iraq and Afghanistan have either been wounded or dead because they underestimated children.
Not to burst your bubble but you're wrong the girl was not walking away. She was according to the police resisting arrest and fleeing (running) not walking.

"The girl resisted and fled, according to cops, before she was shocked with the stun gun."​

If I were you I'd go back and read the original post.

She walked away and they tazed her in the back while she was walking.

And your adding your specious fantasies for no reason about weapons and being a lethal threat were useless in the context of this situation. Did you also imagine that people here dont think that an 11 yr old with a firearm wouldnt be dangerous??? :dohThanks for stating the obvious...when it wasnt remotely applicable.

 

[Doc91478]

She walked away and they tazed her in the back while she was walking.

And your adding your specious fantasies for no reason about weapons and being a lethal threat were useless in the context of this situation. Did you also imagine that people here dont think that an 11 yr old with a firearm wouldnt be dangerous??? :dohThanks for stating the obvious...when it wasnt remotely applicable.

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Your source....?

 

[Lursa]

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Your source....?

Several links earlier in the thread.

 

[PoS]

You're spewing Bull. The "11 year old girl" in question is a juvenile delinquent that stole. Had she a pistol and used it you'd be still crying that she's a only 11 years old. Children younger than her have been known to kill before. Did the P.O. know she wasn't armed when he used the taser? I don't think so.

Children who kill - From shootings to stranglings, 11 evil ...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/kids-who-kill-shootings...
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Murderous Children: 11-Year-Old Serial Killer Mary Bell ..
https://owlcation.com/social-sciences/Murderous-Children-Mary-Bell

So ANY and EVERY child is to be treated as a potential killer now? Like I said, nuts. :screwy

 

[Anarchon]

Were the cops so in fear of their lives that they had to taser an 11 year old girl because they couldnt handle her physically?

Probably because they were too fat to catch her.

 

[calamity]

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I guess then you'd ban the use of a taser against a teenager on PCP, or wacked out on meth trying to fight the PoPo?

Look up strawmen. You seem to build them up quite often. Maybe knowing what they are can help you build better ones.

 

[Maccabee]

My nephew is a cop and very familiar with the taser. With individuals wearing no/thin shirt, if either of the barbs (or both) lodge in the spinal area, that is a department-mandated trip to the ER via ambulance.

The ER performs back-radiographs to verify position and depth. Usually an ER doc can carefully remove the barb. Sometimes barb removal is dicey and a trauma surgeon is summoned.

There is also a danger of Thoracic spine compression fracture after being tasered from thrashing about.

That's mostly for liability reasons rather than actual risk.

 

[Gaius46]

I get so sick and tired of hearing this.
Cops are their to enforce the law.

Their job is also their to ensure safety of everyone.

If they chased this girl down she could get hit by a car not looking.
She could have fallen and broke something or she could have injured someone else.

If they wrestled her to the ground they could have broken, ripped or torn something trying to wrestle her.

They took what they thought was the safest way possible to ensure safety for everyone.

If they would have wrestled her down and something happen you guys would be screaming police brutality.

Enforcing the law doesn't give the police carte blanche to do anything they like. If a cop cannot restrain an 11 year without tasing her or without tackling her there is something seriously wrong.

 

[jaeger19]

Still wrong but it's sad you feel the need to go that far to prove yourself right 'on the Internet..

Yeah.. I mean.. you got me there. I mean why debate with actual facts that can be proven with anatomy charts and actual research on the prevalence of injury with taser use??? :roll:

I mean.. so much better to debate using opinions based solely on emotion and not on logic or facts!!! :roll:

Feel free to provide a source that that electrical charge cant cause damage to the nervous system. And the charge is conductive, even if it doesnt completely penetrate, cartilage is not bone.

too funny... you are doing the same thing that you are chastising other for.. making a strawman...

Sure.. yes a 220 volt hitting her would cause damage to the nervous system..

BUT not ANY charge would cause damage to the nervous system. As pointed out.. we use electricity through the nervous system all the time in medical procedures without harm.

And the taser has been studied quite extensively. Which I provided one of those research articles showing the low incidence of harm when police use tasers.

no 'falling to the ground fracturing her skull' if the multiple cops there unless they were incompetent or very poorly trained. Restrained properly there wouldnt be more than bruises to an 11 yr old. She didnt even need to be tackled or chased. She was walking

Based on what? your extensive knowledge of martial arts and takedowns? You extensive knowledge in HOW this girl would react when the cops tried to restrain her. I mean she was "just walking" right? And of course.. when a group of cops approach her to restrain her.. your crystal ball tells you that she would never ever, try to say evade and run?

Whatever. You are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of facts, research or logic.

Those studies mean little since grown men present a clear and present physical danger at the same level as the cops

Actually that's the point. ITS MUCH HARDER to injure a healthy grown man.. when I take him down and restrain him.. than an 11 year old girl.

This is about a calm, walking 11 yr old girl.

Who of course would have remained calm.. and not tried to run away when a group of police tried to restrain her. Cuz she was nice and calm of course.. I mean.. that's why she refused to obey a police officers orders to stop. She rationally and calmly thought.."what could go wrong here".. when she decided to not follow those orders to stop.

 

[Lursa]

Yeah.. I mean.. you got me there. I mean why debate with actual facts that can be proven with anatomy charts and actual research on the prevalence of injury with taser use??? :roll:

I mean.. so much better to debate using opinions based solely on emotion and not on logic or facts!!! :roll:

You were wrong on the spine thing, why keep bringing it up. The original reference to 'spine' was general and did not exclude soft tissue or cartilage. ANd the electrical charge HAS caused heart attacks...in adults.

You also gone into the realm of ridiculous when you try to justify your "beliefs" on the dangers of multiple cops restraining an 11 yr old. If you have to go that far, how can you not realize your cause is lost?

 

[jaeger19]

Enforcing the law doesn't give the police carte blanche to do anything they like. If a cop cannot restrain an 11 year without tasing her or without tackling her there is something seriously wrong.

Why do you contend that?

Seriously.. why do you think that it should be easy for a person to restrain an 11 year old.. who does NOT want to be restrained and may panic or fight.. without potential for injury to the 11 year old.

 

[jaeger19]

You were wrong on the spine thing, why keep bringing it up. The original reference to 'spine' was general and did not exclude soft tissue or cartilage. ANd the electrical charge HAS caused heart attacks...in adults.

You also gone into the realm of ridiculous when you try to justify your "beliefs" on the dangers of multiple cops restraining an 11 yr old. If you have to go that far, how can you not realize your cause is lost?

I was RIGHT on the spine thing.. completely right. by the way. it excludes cartilage because the cartilage (which is what comprises the disks between the vertebrae) is protected by bone from the posterior side.

and yes.. caused HEART attacks. A lot different than getting a taser in the muscles of the back.. ...

Come on.. you are floundering around all over the place.

YOU are the one that is going into the realm of the ridiculous...

On one hand.. you see no danger with multiple cops trying to all restrain an 11 year old girl. I mean its not like I try to get her arm.. while another cop tries to get a hold on her and we end up yanking on her because we are pulling from different directions. WHY.. how could that happen? Heck.. I have been injured when I was restraining a subject and another police officer tried to help and ended up trying to take the suspect in a different direction than I was taking them.

If you cannot see.. well.. the anatomy of the spine.. the actual RESEARCH on tasers.. .and common sense to what injury can happen when multiple full grown men.. or woman for that matter, try to restrain an unruly 11 year old. Well.. how can you not realize that you are spouting BS?

 

[Lursa]

I was RIGHT on the spine thing.. completely right. by the way. it excludes cartilage because the cartilage (which is what comprises the disks between the vertebrae) is protected by bone from the posterior side.

and yes.. caused HEART attacks. A lot different than getting a taser in the muscles of the back.. ...

Come on.. you are floundering around all over the place.

YOU are the one that is going into the realm of the ridiculous...

On one hand.. you see no danger with multiple cops trying to all restrain an 11 year old girl. I mean its not like I try to get her arm.. while another cop tries to get a hold on her and we end up yanking on her because we are pulling from different directions. WHY.. how could that happen? Heck.. I have been injured when I was restraining a subject and another police officer tried to help and ended up trying to take the suspect in a different direction than I was taking them.

If you cannot see.. well.. the anatomy of the spine.. the actual RESEARCH on tasers.. .and common sense to what injury can happen when multiple full grown men.. or woman for that matter, try to restrain an unruly 11 year old. Well.. how can you not realize that you are spouting BS?

You are mischaracterizing my posts in a very defensive manner. For example, I never ever wrote I saw 'no danger' from cops restraining her.

If that's all you can do..lie...please desist.