Cops tase 11 year old

[Peter King]

They caught and arrested her. :shrug:

Not through legitimate means, they arrested her by overly aggressive and excessive violent means.

 

[mike2810]

I figured someone would inevitably be by with the automatic defense.



If the police cannot handle an 11 year old girl, they should be fired.






Anyway, this kind of thread is at least useful for measuring just how much a poster means it when in other parts of the forum they act worried about government abuse of power. If you think it's reasonable for the police to taze an 11 year old girl, you are not worried about government abuse of power. If you think that government violence against citizens is a reasonable and acceptable response, you are not worried about government abuse of power.

How would you have handled the situation?

 

[mike2810]

She's ELEVEN. If she stole out of hunger, you're serious that at ELEVEN she should know the right way to get help? And that tazing is a good lesson for her?

The OP article does not state what she allegedly shoplifted. Kroger sales more than just food.

 

[calamity]

The OP article does not state what she allegedly shoplifted. Kroger sales more than just food.

sells

 

[calamity]

There is no legitimate reason to tase an unarmed 11 year old. No police force that I know of in the industrial West (Canada, most of the EU) would use such weaponry on an 11 year old for simple shoplifting. It just inconceivable that they would do such a thing.

And is a taser actually, from the manufacturer, approved for use on an 11 year old? I can think of several reasons why a tiny person like an 11 year old is in real danger of serious harm if the full force of a taser is shot through her body. You do not use tasers on vulnerable groups like children or elderly if there is no other option available whatsoever.

Apparently this obvious bit of humanity escapes our Right Wing Christians.

Not exactly unexpected though; is it?

 

[Casper]

Cincinnati cops use Taser on 11-year-old girl caught stealing from Kroger supermarket

Unless their safety is threatened with a weapon, I see no reason for police officers to use a taser on an 11 year old girl suspected of misdemeanor theft (shoplifting).

Related: Taser used on 11-year-old who stole food, Cincinnati police say

Someone needs a new career, not as a LEO.

 

[MrMike]

They may have actually saved her life. Who knows...

 

[jaeger19]

I think every perspective gun buyer should be asked if tazing a child over a candy bar is a good idea. Every one who says yes should be banned from gun ownership for all time.

Fine..

And every prospective voter should be asked if they think that a sign outside a school saying "gun free zone".. deters criminals intent on murder from taking guns onto school grounds.

Anyone that says "yes it deters mass shooters"... should be banned from voting for all time.

 

[Mr Person]

How would you have handled the situation?

I'm capable of chasing down an 11 year old girl. I'd want any officer to be in good enough shape to do that, let alone to chase down an adult.

If we have to pay more to get a better calibre of officer, fine.

 

[Peter King]

Apparently this obvious bit of humanity escapes our Right Wing Christians.

Not exactly unexpected though; is it?

All I can say is "Kids in cages while their parents are deported".

 

[Rogue Valley]

Charges dropped against 11-year-old girl shocked with police Taser at Kroger store in Cincinnati

8/9/18
CINCINNATI — Charges have been dropped against an 11-year-old girl who was suspected of shoplifting from a supermarket when a police officer shocked her with a stun gun. Cincinnati Mayor John Cranley said Wednesday night that stunning the girl who “posed no danger to the police” was wrong. The encounter happened Monday night at a Kroger in the city. Police said the officer suspected the girl was using a backpack to shoplift when he approached her. They say the girl resisted and tried to flee before the officer shocked her with a Taser. The girl was taken to a hospital and released to a guardian. The girl initially was charged with theft and obstruction of justice, but the mayor says he asked the prosecutor to drop the charges. An investigation is underway.

The Mayor of Cincinnati, John Cranley, asked Prosecutor Joe Detersto drop the charges against 11 year old 90 pound Donesha Gowdy and the Prosecutor did so.

“Tasing an 11-year old who posed no danger to the police is wrong. I’m sorry for the harm to her and her family," the mayor said in a statement late Wednesday. Prosecutor Detersto said: "I am not pursuing criminal charges against an 11-year-year-old who committed a low-level misdemeanor who was Tased in the back. We are done with it. The city can deal with the officer administratively."

Unlike some contributors in this thread, Cranley and Detersto have the good sense to appreciate that Tasing an unarmed 11 year old for shoplifting is an egregious abuse of police power and potentially dangerous.

As I warned in an earlier post, one of the taser barbs did indeed lodge in the girls spine. This incident is a lawsuit begging to happen.

Related: Mayor: Charges dropped against 11-year-old shocked with Taser by Cincinnati police

Opinion: Stunning a child with a Taser requires accountability

 

[Beaudreaux]

Given you think it's fine for a store security guard to taze an 11 year old, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

Given that I didn't say it was fine for a store security guard to tase an 11 year old, it's a stretch the size of the entire universe.

 

[Beaudreaux]

She's ELEVEN. If she stole out of hunger, you're serious that at ELEVEN she should know the right way to get help? And that tazing is a good lesson for her?

Okay, for the umptenth time - I didn't say it was okay to tase an 11 year old. Also, I didn't say she knows or should know the right way to get help. I in fact said that she must be shown, by us, that there are alternatives to breaking the law to get help. She has parents, or a guardian, that should be able to get her help. If they cannot, then it is upon the rest of us as a society to get her the help she needs. That, again, doesn't excuse her actions. It may be looked at as a plea for help, and any judge should see that, if she was in fact hungry, and not just just stealing. You said she stole out of hunger as if that is a known fact, and there is no evidence of that which I have seen. I did give her the benefit of the doubt on that as my post shows.

You really need to take my posts in their entirety, and not just pick out portions that may make you think that I'm saying something that I'm not.

Context matters, and so does the relation of each statement to the other statements within an entire post.

Here's a suggestion: Re-read my post that you quoted, but this time do so without jumping to conclusions or making assumptions. Just read what it actually says, and not what you think it might say.

 

[americanwoman]

I'm capable of chasing down an 11 year old girl. I'd want any officer to be in good enough shape to do that, let alone to chase down an adult.

If we have to pay more to get a better calibre of officer, fine.

Right? I'm on the shorter side and there's plenty of 11 years olds (boys and girls) bigger and taller than me and I like to think I could take any of them down without needing a tazer.

 

[cabse5]

I figured someone would inevitably be by with the automatic defense.



If the police cannot handle an 11 year old girl, they should be fired.






Anyway, this kind of thread is at least useful for measuring just how much a poster means it when in other parts of the forum they act worried about government abuse of power. If you think it's reasonable for the police to taze an 11 year old girl, you are not worried about government abuse of power. If you think that government violence against citizens is a reasonable and acceptable response, you are not worried about government abuse of power.

What does age have to do with anything? If a gun were involved, an 11 year old girl can pull the trigger as easily as older girls (or boys).

 

[jaeger19]

Right? I'm on the shorter side and there's plenty of 11 years olds (boys and girls) bigger and taller than me and I like to think I could take any of them down without needing a tazer.

I think that one thing here is that as someone also said.. its a darned if you do. darned if you don't situation.

So... say you have a child running away from you as a police officer. They have committed a crime.. they are running away...

Do you let them go? What is your responsibility here?

Now.. if you decide that you need to stop them... how? Sure.. I can easily stop a 11 year old 90 lb girl by running her down and tackling her. but you want to get hit by 190 pounds of man running full speed?

Okay.. so say she is running and I grab her.. what happens when she is running full speed and I stop her by grabbing her?

If my responsibility is to stop her... how do I do so without injury. Heck.. what if I pursue her and she runs into traffic and gets killed?

I am not saying that in this instance it was appropriate as I did not see the situation unfold and what was around.. but.. when that girl ran.. there was not a whole lot of options to detaining her that would not potentially result in serious injury.

In fact.. using a taser might actually be safer in many instances. Its a tough call because you don't know what the health status of the girl.

but.. in this instance.. the girl is fine and recovered immediately with no permanent effects. If the cop had run her down and grabbed her.. she could be getting a surgery for a dislocated surgery and have a permanent disability.

 

[Rogue Valley]

What does age have to do with anything? If a gun were involved, an 11 year old girl can pull the trigger as easily as older girls (or boys).

There was no weapon involved. Didn't you read anything in this thread? Geezus.

 

[Rogue Valley]

but.. in this instance.. the girl is fine and recovered immediately with no permanent effects.

Just dumb luck.

If the cop had run her down and grabbed her.. she could be getting a surgery for a dislocated surgery and have a permanent disability.

One of the taser barbs penetrated her spine. A lawsuit is definitely on the way. Book it.

 

[cabse5]

There was no weapon involved. Didn't you read anything in this thread? Geezus.

What does age have to do with anything? If a gun were involved, an 11 year old girl can pull the trigger as easily as older girls (or boys).

This...Don't you read the posts you quote?

 

[Rogue Valley]

This...Don't you read the posts you quote?

Why bring up whataboutism? Habit?

 

[mike2810]

sells

So you can read and caught the error. Good for you. :mrgreen:

 

[mike2810]

I'm capable of chasing down an 11 year old girl. I'd want any officer to be in good enough shape to do that, let alone to chase down an adult.

If we have to pay more to get a better calibre of officer, fine.

Thanks for an honest reply.

 

[Howard the Duck]

I think that one thing here is that as someone also said.. its a darned if you do. darned if you don't situation.

So... say you have a child running away from you as a police officer. They have committed a crime.. they are running away...

Do you let them go? What is your responsibility here?

Now.. if you decide that you need to stop them... how? Sure.. I can easily stop a 11 year old 90 lb girl by running her down and tackling her. but you want to get hit by 190 pounds of man running full speed?

Okay.. so say she is running and I grab her.. what happens when she is running full speed and I stop her by grabbing her?

If my responsibility is to stop her... how do I do so without injury. Heck.. what if I pursue her and she runs into traffic and gets killed?

I am not saying that in this instance it was appropriate as I did not see the situation unfold and what was around.. but.. when that girl ran.. there was not a whole lot of options to detaining her that would not potentially result in serious injury.

In fact.. using a taser might actually be safer in many instances. Its a tough call because you don't know what the health status of the girl.

but.. in this instance.. the girl is fine and recovered immediately with no permanent effects. If the cop had run her down and grabbed her.. she could be getting a surgery for a dislocated surgery and have a permanent disability.

You have film. A quick trip to the local school solves all problems without resorting to child abuse. It's just a CANDY BAR. There is no need for immediate apprehension.

Face it. If Donesha were white this would have never happened.

 

[HowardBThiname]

My first thought is that it's a problem when an 11 year old is tased.

But, I'd like to know more -- I like to hear why she was tased. She doesn't seem like she's big enough to present much of a danger risk to the officers. Was she fighting? Were they trying to restrain her?

I remember in the case of the guy who died of a stranglehold that activists said the police should have used a taser instead of grabbing him and trying to subdue him physically. Did that thought present itself?

She looks like a little thing -- but -- maybe she's feisty. Right now, I'm on her side, although I'd charge her for the theft.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/ne...eploy-taser-11-year-old-shoplifter/929492002/

 

[Rogue Valley]

Right now, I'm on her side, although I'd charge her for the theft.

The Prosecutor has dropped all charges.

Prosecutor Detersto said: "I am not pursuing criminal charges against an 11-year-year-old who committed a low-level misdemeanor who was Tased in the back. We are done with it. The city can deal with the officer administratively."