Cooper Bans Church Services

[Thoreau72]

Deep state controls the government but can't actually control it. Really?

Things are playing out just as DS would like, is my bet. :mrgreen:

 

[marke]

That could certainly be true, but it's irrelevant.

The Deep State that attempted to overthrow Trump has been in control of government long before he came on the scene. It is still in control of the government, even with that clown in the White House.

He is a dishonorable man and unfit for the office.

I see. Trump is rejected by the "Deep State" which is "still in control of the government," yet the Deep State has successfully managed the news propaganda to fool everyone into thinking Trump is "unfit for office?" I agree.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Religion is also Big Business; let's not forget that. All the Talibornagain televangelists rely on attendances in their mega churches for their income, as well as TV love donations.

YouTube

it's the exact same model that sports uses (attendances and TV contracts). but at least they admit they only care about money.

 

[CaughtInThe]

YOU and others like you are nothing like 'god's people'. You're no more a christian in your behaviour and commentary than my cat. Gandhi doesn't wish anything. He is worm food; just like you will be. Attending church and praying doesn't prove a person's christianity. Their behaviour does. You use your 'christianity' as a political weapon. What would your Jesus have said about you cynically usurping his father's teachings?

Bingo

 

[CaughtInThe]

Never before Trump have we seen such open widespread attempts to treasonously overthrow the elected government of the President of the United States.

yeah. our politicians haven't been fighting each other from the very beginning. we didn't even have a Civil War or anything.

 

[CaughtInThe]

People in our church actually give of their own money to help poor people themselves instead of depending on the government to help poor people with other people's money.

then what's the problem. we all help poor people AND we save lives. what is the name of God is more important than that??

 

[CaughtInThe]

Deep state controls the government but can't actually control it. Really?

you have to admit that their victim complex is effective. even if it makes no sense.

 

[GDViking]

Since October 2019 between 36 and 51 million Americans have been infected with the flue, and between 22,000 and 55,000 have died.

Since December 2019 120,000 people worldwide have contracted the caronavirus and many have died, but certainly not all. Currently in China the rate of those who die from the disease after being infected is less than 1%.

I am not sufficiently alarmed and I think the paranoia currently doing so much damage to life in America is founded in foolishness and ignorance.

And what exactly is your Santagod doing about it?!?

 

[Hypothetical]

It's a piece of paper. Your government can, and will, do anything it wants, and there's ****-all you can do about it, constitution notwithstanding.

and this is why we don't follow your countries way of doing things, because in the UK that is true.

 

[snakestretcher]

and this is why we don't follow your countries way of doing things, because in the UK that is true.

Ok, just wait and see. In a couple of weeks, if not sooner, your government will be ordering the shut down of any place where people gather in big numbers, and ordering folk to stay home. That's the common sense way of confronting this pandemic, and if you think it won't happen you're deluding yourself.

 

[GDViking]

Never before Trump have we seen such open widespread attempts to treasonously overthrow the elected government of the President of the United States.

Never before have we had a treasonous illegitimate president, and defending him is treasonous, attempting to remove him is patriotic...

 

[marke]

And what exactly is your Santagod doing about it?!?

Democrats and unbelievers don't need God. What they think they need is another democrat president, whoever that may be since it really does not matter about the figurehead as long as democrats are pulling the strings instead of a republican.

 

[3leftsdoo]

On Saturday, March 15, North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper issued a government edict banning church gatherings of more than 100 people.

The Rhino Times of Greensboro -

On Sunday, March 16, I met with more than 100 worshipers in our church for regular worship and fellowship.

I feel sorry for those who live in constant fear of the caronavirus. There is no cause for that mass hysteria.

If this is true, and solely aimed at religious gatherings, it will not withstand judicial scrutiny.

:shrug:

 

[CanadaJohn]

You do realize that we are currently still in flu season? Do you really want to take the risk of overburdening the healthcare system with a flood of new coronavirus patients on top of everything else doctors normally have to treat? Seems to me, slowing the rate of infection via a societal lockdown will buy more time for doctors to do their jobs. It can save lives.

I don't argue against your position in the matter, I argue against the faulty logic that says we have to close everything down in this situation and yet we can go our merry way as it relates to the seasonal flu. As I said, 500,000 people die annually from the seasonal flu but the measures you condone to limit COVID -19 could also be just as effective fighting the seasonal flu and "it can save lives" - potentially 500,000.

Seasonal flu primarily seriously affects the ill elderly and the immune underdeveloped infant/child populations. COVID -19 primarily seriously affects the ill elderly. Should the government mandate the seasonal flu vaccination for any person who lives with a child or ill senior? Should we mandate self-isolation for any person who lives with a child or ill senior during seasonal flu season?

My point is, the "remedy" here is greatly out of proportion to the "seriousness" of the situation. And it is grossly out of proportion to the actions taken annually to combat the seasonal flu and its massive impact on the healthcare systems of countries world wide.

 

[CanadaJohn]

We have a vaccine for flu and it is very effective if people bother to take advantage of it. There is NOTHING to protect you from contracting Covid-19; no vaccine, nothing-and development and trialling a new vaccine will take at least a year, by which time the outbreak will probably have died out. Of course you might think the WHO declared a global pandemic because they had nothing better to do. In 1918 Spanish Flu (H1N1), killed 100 million globally, and that is a far, far less virulent pathogen than Covid-19. By all means adopt a cavalier and cynical attitude to this if you must; I prefer to take sensible common sense precautions by limiting my contact with others and observing hygiene scrupulously.
Let's revisit this in, say, a month. We'll see how your cynicism has fared.

Yes, no vaccination yet for COVID-19 and yet even if there was do you think the government should mandate all citizens receive it? Right now, about 40% of the eligible population receives the seasonal flu vaccination and here in Canada it's no different and it's free here. Is it "cavalier" for governments not to mandate the seasonal flu shot when about 500,000 people a year die from it?

By all means, use common sense precautions, but I'd argue that closing down society and the economy for weeks or months is not necessarily a common sense approach particularly when a proven "pandemic" - one that kills 500,000 a year - doesn't receive anywhere near the same urgent treatment.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I don't argue against your position in the matter, I argue against the faulty logic that says we have to close everything down in this situation and yet we can go our merry way as it relates to the seasonal flu. As I said, 500,000 people die annually from the seasonal flu but the measures you condone to limit COVID -19 could also be just as effective fighting the seasonal flu and "it can save lives" - potentially 500,000.

Seasonal flu primarily seriously affects the ill elderly and the immune underdeveloped infant/child populations. COVID -19 primarily seriously affects the ill elderly. Should the government mandate the seasonal flu vaccination for any person who lives with a child or ill senior? Should we mandate self-isolation for any person who lives with a child or ill senior during seasonal flu season?

My point is, the "remedy" here is greatly out of proportion to the "seriousness" of the situation. And it is grossly out of proportion to the actions taken annually to combat the seasonal flu and its massive impact on the healthcare systems of countries world wide.

Your point about the (actually many strains of it) seasonal flu claiming more victims is valid, but you ignore that this new COVID-19 is (potentially) more lethal and lacks any vaccine. The problem is how to avoid having more folks in need of immediate medical care (hospitalization, preferably isolated from other patients) than we have the capacity to provide.

 

[Citizen]

Democrats and unbelievers don't need God. What they think they need is another democrat president, whoever that may be since it really does not matter about the figurehead as long as democrats are pulling the strings instead of a republican.

Obviously, the republicans don’t need God. I really doubt that God chose trump to run this country. Your hatred and fears did that

 

[nota bene]

Democrats and unbelievers don't need God.

I can't fathom why you would say that. Please don't be part of the partisan problem; this virus doesn't distinguish between believers and non-believers or Democrats and Republicans. And we are all brothers and sisters and fellow travelers.

 

[marke]

Obviously, the republicans don’t need God. I really doubt that God chose trump to run this country. Your hatred and fears did that

God may not have chosen Trump. Trump was not my first choice either. But I'm certain God also did not chose a baby-killing democrat with animosity towards Christians.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Your point about the (actually many strains of it) seasonal flu claiming more victims is valid, but you ignore that this new COVID-19 is (potentially) more lethal and lacks any vaccine. The problem is how to avoid having more folks in need of immediate medical care (hospitalization, preferably isolated from other patients) than we have the capacity to provide.

No question you're correct about the rationale behind the extraordinary measures being taken to combat this virus. As it stands now, your suggestion that this virus is potentially more lethal is far from determined since there has been a piss poor effort to test and determine numbers who have contracted it although the death toll appears to be accurate. Hard to say this virus is more lethal simply based on the number of deaths versus the number of known infected when there are many estimates that the number infected could be 10 or more times higher than so far determined since in many cases - here in Canada as an example - if someone presents at a hospital with symptoms, they aren't necessarily tested unless they need immediate medical attention and are simply told to go home and self-quarantine for 14 days. Unless someone is in respiratory distress, they are neither tested nor treated - they could simply have the seasonal flu.

But my point remains - we seem, as a society, to be quite fine with letting 500,000 people every year die from the seasonal flu without instituting extraordinary measures to stop its spread yet social and regular media and government entities have generated a self fulfilling panic that demands their actions and vigilance. I believe, when it's all said and done, those same governments will be forced to review their actions by the same people who demanded such actions be taken. If millions of jobs are lost, thousands of businesses are bankrupted, and government revenues are hit as well as drained by these extraordinary measures, those in charge will be highly criticized and perhaps, rightly so.

One thing that is of benefit, however, is citizens are getting a taste of what life will have to be like if the climate zealots get their way.

 

[Citizen]

God may not have chosen Trump. Trump was not my first choice either. But I'm certain God also did not chose a baby-killing democrat with animosity towards Christians.

Democrats don’t kill babies and many Democrats are Christians

 

[ttwtt78640]

No question you're correct about the rationale behind the extraordinary measures being taken to combat this virus. As it stands now, your suggestion that this virus is potentially more lethal is far from determined since there has been a piss poor effort to test and determine numbers who have contracted it although the death toll appears to be accurate. Hard to say this virus is more lethal simply based on the number of deaths versus the number of known infected when there are many estimates that the number infected could be 10 or more times higher than so far determined since in many cases - here in Canada as an example - if someone presents at a hospital with symptoms, they aren't necessarily tested unless they need immediate medical attention and are simply told to go home and self-quarantine for 14 days. Unless someone is in respiratory distress, they are neither tested nor treated - they could simply have the seasonal flu.

But my point remains - we seem, as a society, to be quite fine with letting 500,000 people every year die from the seasonal flu without instituting extraordinary measures to stop its spread yet social and regular media and government entities have generated a self fulfilling panic that demands their actions and vigilance. I believe, when it's all said and done, those same governments will be forced to review their actions by the same people who demanded such actions be taken. If millions of jobs are lost, thousands of businesses are bankrupted, and government revenues are hit as well as drained by these extraordinary measures, those in charge will be highly criticized and perhaps, rightly so.

One thing that is of benefit, however, is citizens are getting a taste of what life will have to be like if the climate zealots get their way.

The problem with COVID-19 testing appears to be that it generates false negatives for COVID-19 carriers who lack symptoms.

 

[marke]

Democrats don’t kill babies and many Democrats are Christians

Somebody is killing babies and the democrats fight hard in politics to make sure that continues to happen.

 

[marke]

On Saturday, March 15, North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper issued a government edict banning church gatherings of more than 100 people.

The Rhino Times of Greensboro -

On Sunday, March 16, I met with more than 100 worshipers in our church for regular worship and fellowship.

I feel sorry for those who live in constant fear of the caronavirus. There is no cause for that mass hysteria.

Democrat hedonists do not like God. They build walls of separation between God and men. They want churches closed. Nobody has to be a genius to see that.

 

[Citizen]

Somebody is killing babies and the democrats fight hard in politics to make sure that continues to happen.

Democrats don’t kill babies, but republicans kill old people