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Comey confirms FBI investigating Russia, Trump ties

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Cardinal said:
Maybe, I don't know. Would that be illegal?
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It's not a question of it being a illegal; it's a question of whether or not it happened.

The FISA court doesn't just issue "orders" to wiretap anyone. It does so upon the request of the executive branch.
 
apdst said:
I know: Comey said he was ordered to conduct an investigation. That order could only come from Loretta Lynch; a member of the Obama administration.
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Did the order come from Obama? As I recall, that's the accusation, and what Comey and responded to in the hearings, and what the Intelligence Committee specifically stated there's no evidence for.
 
Regardless of who is right or wrong about any of this, I'd hate to be both Comey and Rogers.
These politicians are just making a **** show, political posturing and asking a lot of questions, not related to the hearing.
 
prometeus said:
He just publicly said that there is no information supporting Trump's lies.
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It is not clear how one investigates the Trump campaign, without to some extent, investigating Trump.

Comey also said there was no evidence that Russia hacked the election.
 
Cardinal said:
Did the order come from Obama? As I recall, that's the accusation, and what Comey and responded to in the hearings, and what the Intelligence Committee specifically stated there's no evidence for.
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It would have come from the Obama administration. It appears that it happened after the Tarmac Meeting.
 
Visbek said:
Nope. Not even close.

DoJ is investigating Russian interference in the election. Apparently, this led them to an investigation of any ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Comey did not say anything about methods, he barely wanted to confirm the existence of an investigation. He certainly did not say "the FBI engaged in illegal activity."

The only way they could target Americans for foreign surveillance is with a FISA warrant. If any other method was used, it would be both illegal and inadmissible. And an investigation may not require surveillance that targets Americans (or targets foreigners as a means of surveilling Americans)

And as noted, Comey stated that he had no information to back up Trump's claims.
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You must be a true acolyte of the MSM, omitting the pertinent thus leaving a wrong impression.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/intelligence-committee-russia-donald-trump.html?_r=0

"The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, publicly confirmed an investigation into Russian interference in the presidential election and whether associates of the president were in contact with Moscow.". What support can you offer for your "apparently" statement regarding this "... led them..." blah blah blah?

But you do understand, don't you, that the FBI is under the Justice Department which was under the control of the o bomb admin and so we have confirmation that Trump was correct.

As to your points on methods, not only did Comey not say much about methods, I didn't say much either, so why this insertion of the irrelevant to my comments? And I made no mention whatsoever of "the FBI engaged in illegal activity." However, it should be noted that it is illegal to reveal information in reference to American citizens that are supposed to be "masked". If the federal government was in control of conducting the surveillance and in control of the information, when that information was leaked, whoever leaked it, FBI or other, performed an illegal act.

Admissible or not probably was not the reasoning behind the surveillance if the surveillance was done improperly. I have really no idea what point you are trying to make with regards to the paragraph related to this.

Comey is a smart lawyerly type. You will note that he also gave no information saying that Trump's assertions were false. He gave no information either way ... and you, just like I, we are all lacking confirmed information... except that we do know that Flynn was compromised and there has been an ongoing investigation of Russia and Trump collusion.
 
apdst said:
It would have come from the Obama administration. It appears that it happened after the Tarmac Meeting.
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Comey asserted that this was not the case, and the Intelligence Committee has specifically stated there's no evidence for this.
 
There needs to be a name for the "logic" being used in this thread by Trump supporters. Possibly the Iron Banana Gambit or some such.

The Trump campaign is being investigated for collusion with Russia = "We were right that Obama was tapping them wires!". LOL WAT

Regardless of what kind of bizarre spin is put on this, the best case scenario for Trump is for him to be labeled an idiot and the FBI to later conclude there was no overt collusion between Trump and the Russians.
 
apdst said:
It could be, if there wasn't sufficient probable cause.
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If you go through the proper channels, then you're specifically not doing anything illegal.
 
Verax said:
There needs to be a name for the "logic" being used in this thread by Trump supporters. Possibly the Iron Banana Gambit or some such.

The Trump campaign is being investigated for collusion with Russia = "We were right that Obama was tapping them wires!". LOL WAT

Regardless of what kind of bizarre spin is put on this, the best case scenario for Trump is for him to be labeled an idiot and the FBI to later conclude there was no overt collusion between Trump and the Russians.
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"Iron Banana" might be an excellent name for a band.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
As the owner of a very successful IT security firm, Being accurate is important.





Nope, I've read a lot on it, I see nothing about it being a fisa warrant.




2. one of 22 people if found out is in a lot of trouble.
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You seriously can't find reports that the FBI sought a FISA warrant on mail1.trump-email.com? Tea Leaves? Lititz, Pa.... Liztrak? And yet you've read a lot on it? That is.... difficult to believe.

How would you know exactly that the requests were spoofed?

Also..Please let me know about your highly technical differentiation between a real hacker and a hack, and how these differentiations serve as Jergins for ones ego.
 
tres borrachos said:
So he doesn't know what he's talking about? I'm asking because it would be great if you would say in this one post.
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I've addressed this before. Even in this thread I believe. Do I believe he completely doesn't know what he's talking about? Well no, if you look at post #81, you have the new york times claiming wiretapping, you have a history of unconstitutional survielling, you have transcript leaks, etc. You also now have an admittance of an active investigation. Did Obama order a wiretap of trump in trump tower? I think that is probably a big stretch.


Do I believe that his campaign has been under surveillance? There is absolute proof. I would also point out, it's quite possible it's all true, but releasing the details could compromise, at least according to the administration, national security. Trump shot his mouth off before having all his ducks in a row as he often does. However, there is a larger issue of domestic spying on American citizens.
 
Mithros said:
You seriously can't find reports that the FBI sought a FISA warrant on mail1.trump-email.com? Tea Leaves? Lititz, Pa.... Liztrak? And yet you've read a lot on it? That is.... difficult to believe.

How would you know exactly that the requests were spoofed?

Also..Please let me know about your highly technical differentiation between a real hacker and a hack, and how these differentiations serve as Jergins for ones ego.
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*sigh* why must you make me suffer?

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/fb...n-and-russian-bank-first-reported-in-october/

"According to CNN, no FISA warrant has been issued for the server."
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"FBI Director Comey: Justice Dept. has no information that supports Trump’s tweets alleging he was wiretapped by Obama" https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.0cac662c8203
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He is just admitting he has no information to give, for or against. And yet we have the leaking of Flynn and the transcripts, if Flynn were not being surveilled, how did we get a transcript that was leaked?

The executive branch was under the control of the o bomb admin and so if he were surveilled, it would have been by the o bomb admin. Logic is logic.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I've addressed this before. Even in this thread I believe. Do I believe he completely doesn't know what he's talking about? Well no, if you look at post #81, you have the new york times claiming wiretapping, you have a history of unconstitutional survielling, you have transcript leaks, etc. You also now have an admittance of an active investigation. Did Obama order a wiretap of trump in trump tower? I think that is probably a big stretch.


Do I believe that his campaign has been under surveillance? There is absolute proof. I would also point out, it's quite possible it's all true, but releasing the details could compromise, at least according to the administration, national security. Trump shot his mouth off before having all his ducks in a row as he often does. However, there is a larger issue of domestic spying on American citizens.
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The NY Times never said that Obama ordered a tap on Trump's phones, anywhere.
 
Cardinal said:
What made Trump's claim scandalous is his accusation that a)Obama personally ordered a wiretap on Trump Tower, and b)that any wiretap was illegal by virtue of the fact that it went around a FISA order.

As we've found out, Obama didn't personally order anything, and there was no attempt to work around FISA.
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The president is head of government. All executive power flows through him. Trump never said Obama personally ordered it. But if it happened (and apparently it never happened), Obama is responsible. Period. End of story. That is the correct way to look at it.
 
apdst said:
Um, not true...lol.
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Um...yes true. That's why they're called "proper channels." You're specifically following the law. If you apply for a driver's license from your DMV and are turned down for insufficient paperwork, did you "break the law?"
 
Athanasius68 said:
The president is head of government. All executive power flows through him. Trump never said Obama personally ordered it. But if it happened (and apparently it never happened), Obama is responsible. Period. End of story. That is the correct way to look at it.
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No, the President is not "the head of government." Jeez.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Clearly, in my view, we don't have the full story here as yet, but that doesn't preclude those with personal animus, one way or the other, from drawing definitive conclusions.

I'd just ask, if anyone can confirm or deny, if the FBI and Comey are "continuing" an investigation into alleged connections between the Trump campaign and the Russians, when did that investigation begin? If it began prior to January 21st, or whenever the inauguration was held, then it was authorized under and commenced by the Obama administration. Secondly, if the investigation began before November 6, 2016, election day, then any investigation would involved the Trump campaign which was conducted out of Trump Tower in NYC, if I'm not mistaken, and thus, the possibility that surveillance was conducted at or about Trump Tower, the current President may be partially right without President Obama actually issuing a direct order.

Likewise, while it has come to light that Flynn was taped in conversation with the Russian diplomat, has it been released where that conversation or conversations took place? If Flynn met with the diplomat at Trump Tower or phoned him from there, that could also constitute a form of surveillance at Trump Tower.

As an outsider looking in, I have little to zero faith in the assumption that the American intelligence apparatus doesn't operate outside of its legal boundaries. They've been proven to do so in the past and likely continue to do so to this day.

As for Trump apologizing - not likely - hell, there are people here on DP who call others liars and when their accusations are proven wrong they run away and haven't the decency or integrity to admit they were wrong. Nothing new about that behavior.
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no one here @ DP is POTUS either & ANY President should be above Trump's accusations that were directed @ BO
 
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