CNN Feed goes dead as Obamacare victims begin speaking

[jmotivator]

Vern uses "alternative facts"

It's funny, as I have had this debate with many people over the last few years and they always seem to be reading from the same script.

When this line of argument eventually fails them the next step is usually to argue all the benefit that Obamacare Insurance holders get "for free" which is, to them, proof that Obamacare increases health care.

At that point it's time to break out the green eye-shade and calculator and show them how awful a deal $500/month insurance is when the only benefit you can afford to get out of it is a free $50 wellness checkup and free $9 birth control pills.

 

[Vern]

Jm, I keep asking you to back up your points and you keep whining about me. You’ve posted 3 links that don’t show what you think/imagine they do. For 2 of them you’ve refused to cut and paste the parts that you think prove your point (MR does the same thing). The other link you’ve simply refused to acknowledge what it actually says. And now you’re simply adding to the delusion.

I interpret it that way because you are not admitting the actual facts. It isn't "worry about costs", it is actual costs. The extent to which people with health insurance can't get health care under Obamavcare is the facts you are having a problem accepting and denying the evidence.

People are claiming they put off medical care because of costs. Besides the fact that Obamacare has improved the number (you are either delusional or just plain dishonest when you deny that) it applies to people who don't even have insurance as well as job based insurance. People say they are putting off healthcare because of costs. Somehow you’re brain is interpreting that as “cant get healthcare”. The problem JM is you cant even acknowledge what the gallup actually shows so who cares how you “interpret” something. Case in point, the gallup pole showed the poll numbers start to decline when Obamacare coverage and subsidies kicked in. You refuse to acknowledge that and you refuse to acknowledge the upward trend before your cherry picked timeframe. And you hilariously thought your insurance.com poll was about poor people. And your lying forbes “editorial” did not show Obamacare does not reduce the deficit. These are simple and obvious things you refuse to admit.

Anyhoo I get it. You’ve posted something that didn’t show what you thought and you lack the integrity to admit it. You’re also deflecting from the points I make. You’re simply going to continue to whine about me rather than admit you’re wrong or address my points. And I wouldn’t call what you’re doing something from a script. I would call it something from a flow chart.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Jm, I keep asking you to back up your points and you keep whining about me.

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You’ve posted 3 links that don’t show what you think/imagine they do. For 2 of them you’ve refused to cut and paste the parts that you think prove your point (MR does the same thing). The other link you’ve simply refused to acknowledge what it actually says. And now you’re simply adding to the delusion.

Requiring increasing specificity because he cant be bothered to read links. Add in a poison pill by calling your entire premise delusion.

People are claiming they put off medical care because of costs. Besides the fact that Obamacare has improved the number (you are either delusional or just plain dishonest when you deny that) it applies to people who don't even have insurance as well as job based insurance.

Another ad hominim because you know, why not. Major point ignores increased costs and deductibles for people that have been putting off care for that new reason rather than not having insurance before.

People say they are putting off healthcare because of costs. Somehow you’re brain is interpreting that as “cant get healthcare”. The problem JM is you cant even acknowledge what the gallup actually shows so who cares how you “interpret” something.

Because deductibles have nothing to do with putting off healthcare.

Case in point, the gallup pole showed the poll numbers start to decline when Obamacare coverage and subsidies kicked in.

Well of course they did, but SOMEONE is paying for those subsidies and coverage.

You refuse to acknowledge that and you refuse to acknowledge the upward trend before your cherry picked timeframe. And you hilariously thought your insurance.com poll was about poor people. And your lying forbes “editorial” did not show Obamacare does not reduce the deficit. These are simple and obvious things you refuse to admit.

Oh look, quotes around editorial and lying prefacing it. Don't discuss the facts Vern just crap all over the article because it doesn't conform to your narrative. The Forbes article doesn't need to show Obama does not reduce the deficit, the CBO showed it doesn't.

Anyhoo I get it. You’ve posted something that didn’t show what you thought and you lack the integrity to admit it.

3rd ad hom. Because hey, why not, its not like rules mean jack and **** to Vern.

You’re also deflecting from the points I make. You’re simply going to continue to whine about me rather than admit you’re wrong or address my points. And I wouldn’t call what you’re doing something from a script. I would call it something from a flow chart.

No one should address the points you make Vern, because they are couched in a derogatory, condescending, and hostile message. Maybe you should try actual discussion instead of repeatedly attacking other posters and using emotional retorts over and over.

 

[Vern]

OC, I’m going to ignore the rest of your childish rant and falsehoods and focus on this.

Well of course they did, but SOMEONE is paying for those subsidies and coverage.

You say “of course it went down”. I say “it went down”. So we agree that the poll shows the number going down. Jm said “continues to rise”. See how that is the opposite of what you and I and the poll data say. And he posted the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate is truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform he's mistaken. Had you bothered to read my posts you would have seen that I was simply trying to get him to read the links he posted. He posted 3 links that did not say what he claims they said. And in the case of the gallup poll it literally says the opposite of what he claims. So I’ve been asking him to cut and paste the parts of his links that show what he’s claiming. Not so oddly he’s refusing to do so. this just seems like yet another example that when it comes time to choose integrity or narrative, a conservative chooses narrative. what do you think he chose?

 

[OpportunityCost]

OC, I’m going to ignore the rest of your childish rant and falsehoods and focus on this.



You say “of course it went down”. I say “it went down”. So we agree that the poll shows the number going down. Jm said “continues to rise”. See how that is the opposite of what you and I and the poll data say. And he posted the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate is truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform he's mistaken. Had you bothered to read my posts you would have seen that I was simply trying to get him to read the links he posted. He posted 3 links that did not say what he claims they said. And in the case of the gallup poll it literally says the opposite of what he claims. So I’ve been asking him to cut and paste the parts of his links that show what he’s claiming. Not so oddly he’s refusing to do so. this just seems like yet another example that when it comes time to choose integrity or narrative, a conservative chooses narrative. what do you think he chose?

You give people subsidized stuff and say there is even a possibility its going to go away and they will say they want to keep it. Duh.

Childish rants and falsehoods, why Vern, I'm just responding in kind. Try engaging in a more honest and mature manner and I will respond in kind. But continue you crappy posting style of being unable to discuss anything without trying to repeatedly run down the other poster, and consequently discourse, and I will show your true nature. After all, its so very easy to see.

 

[akyron]

CNN does this to a lot of people.

Personally, I have no idea why anybody would WANT to watch that network.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZpTzTL9cU

I can watch CNN for a laugh at partisanship on display.

You really have to go elsewhere if you want actual information.

 

[Vern]

You give people subsidized stuff and say there is even a possibility its going to go away and they will say they want to keep it. Duh.

OC, we are not discussing your ideological obedience to a failed narrative. I was simply trying to get JM to read the links he posted. Again, the links he posted. You've only come into the discussion to whine about me.

Childish rants and falsehoods, why Vern, I'm just responding in kind. Try engaging in a more honest and mature manner and I will respond in kind. But continue you crappy posting style of being unable to discuss anything without trying to repeatedly run down the other poster, and consequently discourse, and I will show your true nature. After all, its so very easy to see.

I'm posting neither. Just like JM sees what he wants to see, you too are simply seeing what you want to see. And shock of shocks, you' re avoiding the fact that you whined at me but you, me and the poll data that JM posted shows the opposite of what he claims. I've repeatedly him asked to cut and paste from his links the things that show what he claims. He's refused. If integrity and good debate were your concern you would be replying to him and not me. And if you are a delicate snowflake maybe an open debate forum is not for you. Conservative forums will happily give you a safe space.

 

[OpportunityCost]

OC, we are not discussing your ideological obedience to a failed narrative. I was simply trying to get JM to read the links he posted. Again, the links he posted. You've only come into the discussion to whine about me.

Oh, yeah completely. When you give something to someone and someone and else pays for it, suddenly it gets popular. Big ****in surprise.

I'm posting neither. Just like JM sees what he wants to see, you too are simply seeing what you want to see. And shock of shocks, you' re avoiding the fact that you whined at me but you, me and the poll data that JM posted shows the opposite of what he claims. I've repeatedly him asked to cut and paste from his links the things that show what he claims. He's refused. If integrity and good debate were your concern you would be replying to him and not me. And if you are a delicate snowflake maybe an open debate forum is not for you. Conservative forums will happily give you a safe space.

If I were interested in integrity and good debate I wouldn't be replying to you at all. You verbally crap all over anyone that disagrees with you, Vern. That's not about snowflake BS, that's about you having a belligerent posting style that violates the spirit of Don't Be a Jerk and often the letter of it as well.

 

[Vern]

Oh, yeah completely. When you give something to someone and someone and else pays for it, suddenly it gets popular. Big ****in surprise.

OC, we are not discussing your ideological obedience to a failed narrative. I was simply trying to get JM to read the links he posted. Again, the links he posted. You've only come into the discussion to whine about me. If you have no other point than to whine, find someone else to reply to.

Well of course they did, but SOMEONE is paying for those subsidies and coverage.

You say “of course it went down”. I say “it went down”. So we agree that the poll shows the number going down. Jm said “continues to rise”. See how that is the opposite of what you and I and the poll data say. And he posted the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate is truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform he's mistaken. Had you bothered to read my posts you would have seen that I was simply trying to get him to read the links he posted. He posted 3 links that did not say what he claims they said. And in the case of the gallup poll it literally says the opposite of what he claims. So I’ve been asking him to cut and paste the parts of his links that show what he’s claiming. Not so oddly he’s refusing to do so. this just seems like yet another example that when it comes time to choose integrity or narrative, a conservative chooses narrative. what do you think he chose?

 

[OpportunityCost]

OC, we are not discussing your ideological obedience to a failed narrative. I was simply trying to get JM to read the links he posted. Again, the links he posted. You've only come into the discussion to whine about me. If you have no other point than to whine, find someone else to reply to.



You say “of course it went down”. I say “it went down”. So we agree that the poll shows the number going down. Jm said “continues to rise”. See how that is the opposite of what you and I and the poll data say. And he posted the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate is truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform he's mistaken. Had you bothered to read my posts you would have seen that I was simply trying to get him to read the links he posted. He posted 3 links that did not say what he claims they said. And in the case of the gallup poll it literally says the opposite of what he claims. So I’ve been asking him to cut and paste the parts of his links that show what he’s claiming. Not so oddly he’s refusing to do so. this just seems like yet another example that when it comes time to choose integrity or narrative, a conservative chooses narrative. what do you think he chose?

Well why don't YOU post them since you are just crying about it?

 

[Socrates1]

Wouldn't be surprised. IIRC, Fox News did a similar thing a while back involving Obamacare.

No need for any surprise it NEVER happened and will never happen , that BS is reserved for the liberal media !! There is NOTHING the C linton N ews N etwork won't do to further their liberal lying agenda including CHEAT ! Can you say Donna Brazile ?

 

[Vern]

Well why don't YOU post them since you are just crying about it?

since your post is not clear, I'm going to have to guess what you're talking about. The only thing I can think you want me to post would be the parts of the links JM posted that show what JM is saying. That's just it, they don't show what he claims. I cant post what's not there. And now he used your childish rant and falsehoods as an excuse to cut and run.

again, JM made claims and posted links to "back up" those claims. The links don't show what he's claimed. And even you are aware of how he "misparaphrased" the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate are truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform him he's mistaken.

 

[OpportunityCost]

since your post is not clear, I'm going to have to guess what you're talking about. The only thing I can think you want me to post would be the parts of the links JM posted that show what JM is saying. That's just it, they don't show what he claims. I cant post what's not there. And now he used your childish rant and falsehoods as an excuse to cut and run.

again, JM made claims and posted links to "back up" those claims. The links don't show what he's claimed. And even you are aware of how he "misparaphrased" the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate are truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform him he's mistaken.

You cant find a gallup poll about healthcare? Really? Are you inept at using google or the internet? Just post it and the phrase that you think makes him wrong and quit your blubbering about it. Acting dramatic about it and demanding the other guy do what you want him to usually doesn't work so prove your point or fold up your tent.

 

[Vern]

You cant find a gallup poll about healthcare? Really? Are you inept at using google or the internet? Just post it and the phrase that you think makes him wrong and quit your blubbering about it. Acting dramatic about it and demanding the other guy do what you want him to usually doesn't work so prove your point or fold up your tent.

that's the OC I know. You are simply not replying to my posts. Oh, you hit the reply button and you typed words but they have nothing to with my posts. and I think you do it on purpose. As I've mentioned numerous times to you, JM posted a gallup poll that showed the number of people worrying about healthcare costs went down. You said "of course they went down." JM thinks the gallup poll showed "continues to rise". So I just find hard to believe after all your posts you're pretending not to understand that. So lets review my posts where I reply to you.

You say “of course it went down”. I say “it went down”. So we agree that the poll shows the number going down. Jm said “continues to rise”. See how that is the opposite of what you and I and the poll data say. And he posted the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate is truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform he's mistaken. Had you bothered to read my posts you would have seen that I was simply trying to get him to read the links he posted. He posted 3 links that did not say what he claims they said. And in the case of the gallup poll it literally says the opposite of what he claims. So I’ve been asking him to cut and paste the parts of his links that show what he’s claiming. Not so oddly he’s refusing to do so. this just seems like yet another example that when it comes time to choose integrity or narrative, a conservative chooses narrative. what do you think he chose?

I'm posting neither. Just like JM sees what he wants to see, you too are simply seeing what you want to see. And shock of shocks, you' re avoiding the fact that you whined at me but you, me and the poll data that JM posted shows the opposite of what he claims. I've repeatedly him asked to cut and paste from his links the things that show what he claims. He's refused. If integrity and good debate were your concern you would be replying to him and not me. And if you are a delicate snowflake maybe an open debate forum is not for you. Conservative forums will happily give you a safe space.

You say “of course it went down”. I say “it went down”. So we agree that the poll shows the number going down. Jm said “continues to rise”. See how that is the opposite of what you and I and the poll data say. And he posted the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate is truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform he's mistaken. Had you bothered to read my posts you would have seen that I was simply trying to get him to read the links he posted. He posted 3 links that did not say what he claims they said. And in the case of the gallup poll it literally says the opposite of what he claims. So I’ve been asking him to cut and paste the parts of his links that show what he’s claiming. Not so oddly he’s refusing to do so. this just seems like yet another example that when it comes time to choose integrity or narrative, a conservative chooses narrative. what do you think he chose?

again, JM made claims and posted links to "back up" those claims. The links don't show what he's claimed. And even you are aware of how he "misparaphrased" the gallup poll. So if integrity and good debate are truly your concern, you should reply to JM and inform him he's mistaken.

So OC, if you really spent all the time and effort to whine about me and never bothered to see what I was talking to JM about then you're not really here to have an honest and intelligent discussion.

 

[OpportunityCost]

that's the OC I know. You are simply not replying to my posts. Oh, you hit the reply button and you typed words but they have nothing to with my posts. and I think you do it on purpose. As I've mentioned numerous times to you, JM posted a gallup poll that showed the number of people worrying about healthcare costs went down. You said "of course they went down." JM thinks the gallup poll showed "continues to rise". So I just find hard to believe after all your posts you're pretending not to understand that. So lets review my posts where I reply to you.

So OC, if you really spent all the time and effort to whine about me and never bothered to see what I was talking to JM about then you're not really here to have an honest and intelligent discussion.

Your impotence is noted. Anything else you care to cry about?