CNN Feed goes dead as Obamacare victims begin speaking

[zimmer]

Wouldn't be surprised. IIRC, Fox News did a similar thing a while back involving Obamacare.

Why would FOX want to shut down discussion on legistlation that was an abortion? And those selling it were making fools of themselves.

Your assertion makes zero sense.

Those trying to sell ObamAbortion were selling a fraudburger, and the way it was sold... like a Christmas gift to the nation... now kiddies, we have to pass it to see what's inside it... was better comedy than anything on SNL... except for the fact it screwed the nation.

Pelosi, Reid and Obama passed it alright, and when we got a look at the turd, it was a big, ugly, smelly hunk of it. If only we could shove it back in from where it "passed". The assholes.

 

[jmotivator]

Okay JM, this may take a while and a few posts but I'm going to help you.



I clearly acknowledged you said yes. I then pointed out that you seemed determined to flail at that fact. Go back and read the first sentence of post 64 very slowly. As a conservative you brain functions to believe what it wants to believe. So you have work harder to understand simple concepts.

Now this is going to be even more difficult for you to grasp. You posted a link to a gallup with this blurb: "Do you acknowledge that in that same time the number of people delaying health care due to cost continues to rise?" This is funny yet sad for two reasons. Funny yet sad reason 1. the gallup poll showed a decline (that means it went down). Gallup disingenuously "misparaphased" the decline as " essentially the same". Funny yet sad reason 2. you somehow interpreted it as "continues to rise". A normal reasonable rational person would look at it and say "starts to decline". So lets review

You said "continues to rise"
Polling company disingenuously says " essentially the same"
Data shows a decline

that my friend is why I said you had a reading comprehension problem. JM, when I post something you shouldn't immediately look for an excuse to ignore it. Now let these facts soak in. Don't worry, we'll discuss the rest of your post. I just want you to give time to absorb this info.

Obviously you can't read graphs either. In 2008 and 2009 the percentage of people who delayed healthcare for financial reasons was 29%, since the passage of Obamacare it hasn't been below 30%. What it shows in that the AFFORDABLE care act has not made health care affordable, the number of people who sink their who health care budget into premiums is increasing because they have to.

 

[Vern]

And there are insurance companies that will give them insurance if you pay them enough. Nothing is stopping someone from buying the extra coverage. Is it ideal? Of course not. But it can be done.

Hol, people were prevented from buying insurance because insurance companies would not sell them insurance. Its not even arguable. You repeating your narrative doesn't change the facts. I have to assume you posting about "extra coverage" is just you trying to "massage" your narrative because it has nothing to do with our conversation. Conservatives (and conservative like posters) do that a lot. here's a link for you. Now this is a debate forum. "nuh uh" will not cut it as a response.

http://thehill.com/images/stories/blogs/memo1.pdf

 

[Vern]

Obviously you can't read graphs either. In 2008 and 2009 the percentage of people who delayed healthcare for financial reasons was 29%, since the passage of Obamacare it hasn't been below 30%. What it shows in that the AFFORDABLE care act has not made health care affordable, the number of people who sink their who health care budget into premiums is increasing because they have to.

That’s good JM, so you can read. The problem with your “convenient “2008 2009” time frame is that the exchanges didn’t start until 2014. But you also ignored the upward trend before your “convenient” 2008 2009 timeframe. So to be clear, you’ve picked an arbitrary point in time and ignored the upward trend. Some might call that cherry picking. I call it conservatism. And lets ignore Gallup’s documented dishonesty (it said “unchanged from 2014”) and focus on this. It’s a poll on the edge of relevant. This is what a relevant poll looks like.

Nearly three-quarters of adults who received health insurance through ObamaCare say they are satisfied with their plans, according to a new survey.

Poll: Vast majority of ObamaCare customers satisfied with coverage | TheHill

It’s a poll of people actually on Obamacare. If you were truly concerned people on Obamacare, you’d post polls from people on Obamacare, not random and/or dishonest polls. lets review. You were looking for reasons to flail at the fact that 20 million people have gained coverage. You feigned concern about getting care due to costs. You feigned concern about life expectancy. You feigned concern about premiums and deductibles.

Lets move on to your “concerns” for life expectancy. If you were truly concerned you would be supporting Obamacare. It’s just a documented fact that people without insurance die at a higher rate than people with insurance. And you need to show the connection to Obamacare to more people dying from “heart disease and stroke, diabetes, drug overdoses, accidents”. “Hey look” meets your standards. And again I point out your “hey look” logic didn’t meet your standards for the Bush Mortgage Bubble and the Great Bush Recession.

Your concern about premiums and deductibles shows you’re just parroting words and phrases (just like Holbritter). If deductibles go down, premiums go up. If deductibles go up, premiums go down. And of course you read the numerous headlines celebrating every premium increase. You of course obediently believe it means insurance is more expensive under Obamacare. Not necessarily. But again, you don’t want to discuss the un-American and vile actions from republicans that helped increase the premiums. And here’s the best part as you obediently flail about deductibles and premiums, the only thing that gets rid of issues concerning deductibles and premiums is single payer. You just don’t just get to demand a magic plan that makes premiums and deductibles both go down. Its either single payer or the republican plan of mandates. Pick one.

I think that’s enough reality for you for one post. Lets give that time to soak in before I proceed to your false narrative that Obamacare doesn’t decrease the deficit.

 

[jmotivator]

That’s good JM, so you can read.

I could always read, Vern. It is your problems with reading that lead you to your erroneous conclusion.

The problem with your “convenient “2008 2009” time frame is that the exchanges didn’t start until 2014. But you also ignored the upward trend before your “convenient” 2008 2009 timeframe. So to be clear, you’ve picked an arbitrary point in time and ignored the upward trend. Some might call that cherry picking. I call it conservatism. And lets ignore Gallup’s documented dishonesty (it said “unchanged from 2014”) and focus on this. It’s a poll on the edge of relevant. This is what a relevant poll looks like.

Except that the trend continues. In an Insurance.com survey a few months ago they found that among those with the cheaper "affordable" insurance plans the percentage that delay health care treatment is a whopping 64%!

So the folks at the low end of the income spectrum are hit the hardest and pay a premium for insurance they can't afford to use. But somehow you have convinced yourself that with rising premium costs and rising deductibles that somehow more people will be getting timely medical attention? Your beliefs are built on unicorn farts.

 

[Greenbeard]

Except that the trend continues. In an Insurance.com survey a few months ago they found that among those with the cheaper "affordable" insurance plans the percentage that delay health care treatment is a whopping 64%!

I thought HSAs were the answer to all of our problems? That's the entire premise of the consumer-directed care/market-based insurance movement!

Now it turns out they just lead people to delay care?

 

[Vern]

I could always read, Vern. It is your problems with reading that lead you to your erroneous conclusion.

JM, you're not only avoiding my response that you posted a dishonest poll but that you are also cherry picking the dates. And of course you are clearly avoiding the points I made.

Except that the trend continues. In an Insurance.com survey a few months ago they found that among those with the cheaper "affordable" insurance plans the percentage that delay health care treatment is a whopping 64%!

So the folks at the low end of the income spectrum are hit the hardest and pay a premium for insurance they can't afford to use. But somehow you have convinced yourself that with rising premium costs and rising deductibles that somehow more people will be getting timely medical attention? Your beliefs are built on unicorn farts.

sorry, you continue to show that you indeed do have a reading comprehension problem. Besides the fact that you are now posting an insurance.com poll (an improvement over your dishonest Gallup poll), its not the same poll. And of course you ignored the poll of people who actually bought insurance on the exchanges. That's fine JM, I'm used to conservatives cowardly avoiding the points I make. But JM, you don't get to cowardly avoid the points you make. You claimed Obamacare does not decrease the deficit. You posted an "editorial" to prove that point. I pointed out that your "editorial" in no way proves your point. So I asked you to cut and paste the part of your link that backs up your claim. You of course whined about me to deflect. Here's read it for yourself.

Proving you didn't read the article in question and commenting on it anyway is about as effective at making you look dumb as your attempt to pull fake statistics out of your butt like they help your argument.

See how you cowardly deflected from your own point. Again I ask, cut and paste the part of your "editorial" that shows that Obamacare does not reduce the deficit. The sooner you admit the truth the sooner we can move onto you next delusion/falsehood. thanks in advance.

 

[yankintx]

CNN Feed Goes Dead as Obamacare Victims Begin Speaking

Of course, this is not the first time CNN’s feeds have mysteriously gotten cut right at ‘politically convenient’ moments. Back in October, Congressman Chris Collins’ satellite feed also went black – right as he mentioned WikiLeaks.

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/03/cnn-feed-obamacare-victims/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4ZxBdIDYB4

Coincidence? I don't think so. It happens too often when whoever is speaking doesn't fit their agenda.

And I have seen the exact thing happen on Fox News, it happens on BOTH sides.

 

[yankintx]

I saw Obama fiddling with a microwave in CNN's headquarters. I bet he rigged the microwaves and toasters to cut the feed anytime CNN is playing something he doesn't like.

Whats next, rogue microwaves? Were the hell Kelly Ann got that one is anyones guess.

 

[Moderate Right]

And I have seen the exact thing happen on Fox News, it happens on BOTH sides.

Finally, an admission by a lefty that most of the mainstream media is biased to the left.

 

[eohrnberger]

Whats next, rogue microwaves? Were the hell Kelly Ann got that one is anyones guess.

Finally, an admission by a lefty that most of the mainstream media is biased to the left.

Yup. Pretty much.

My read is that is you don't toe CNN's ideological and excessive PC line, they kill your feed, don't want to talk to you.

Lots of room for diversity there! :lamo

Yeah, they are one of the sources for all this 'fake news', though you can't get some to admit it.

 

[Vern]

Yup. Pretty much.
My read is that is you don't toe CNN's ideological and excessive PC line, they kill your feed, don't want to talk to you.
Lots of room for diversity there! :lamo
Yeah, they are one of the sources for all this 'fake news', though you can't get some to admit it.

eohrn, thanks for the obedient conservative post. But I have to ask, if CNN is a source for "fake news" please give us an example that comes close to

President Obama was born in Kenya
His BC is a forgery
He's a secret muslims terrorist
death panels
illegal bankruptcy/union bailout
the vile and disgusting stand down lies

and don't forget, you're also the creator of "fake news" such as

Bush was president in 2000
He should have fired Cuomo sooner
loans to qualified minorities lead to toxic loans.

 

[jmotivator]

sorry, you continue to show that you indeed do have a reading comprehension problem. Besides the fact that you are now posting an insurance.com poll (an improvement over your dishonest Gallup poll) its not the same poll.

And what is the problem with Insurance.com poll and Gallop other than you don't like the outcome? Please be specific.

And of course you ignored the poll of people who actually bought insurance on the exchanges.

Who says I ignored it? It's a very strange rebuttal in a post where you refuse to accept TWO polls I posted.

That's fine JM, I'm used to conservatives cowardly avoiding the points I make.

Ad hominem BS, Vern.

But JM, you don't get to cowardly avoid the points you make. You claimed Obamacare does not decrease the deficit. You posted an "editorial" to prove that point. I pointed out that your "editorial" in no way proves your point. So I asked you to cut and paste the part of your link that backs up your claim. You of course whined about me to deflect. Here's read it for yourself.

THe editorial discussed how it reduces deficits. Do you have something other than a CBO prediction that proves it does reduce deficits?

 

[Moderate Right]

eohrn, thanks for the obedient conservative post. But I have to ask, if CNN is a source for "fake news" please give us an example that comes close to

President Obama was born in Kenya
His BC is a forgery
He's a secret muslims terrorist
death panels
illegal bankruptcy/union bailout
the vile and disgusting stand down lies

and don't forget, you're also the creator of "fake news" such as

Bush was president in 2000
He should have fired Cuomo sooner
loans to qualified minorities lead to toxic loans.

In other words you admit that CNN is indeed fake news.

 

[Vern]

And what is the problem with Insurance.com poll and Gallop other than you don't like the outcome? Please be specific.

The problem with the insurance.com poll is you simply went looking for another poll when your gallup poll showed the opposite of what you thought. and I don't consider them relevant to Obamacare. the gallup poll showed an increasing trend for 15 years until the Obamacare exchanges opened. so if you were truly concerned about the issue of people putting off healthcare you would support Obamacare and demand the subsidies be expanded. Unless you support single payer. Please be specific. And you are ignoring an actual relevant poll in your determination to whine about Obamacare. Again, i you were truly concerned for people on Obamacare instead of just another partisan whiner, you would accept a poll of people actually using the exchange instead of looking for any random poll. so stop ignoring a poll relevant to Obamacare and stop ignoring the gallup poll you posted that shows the opposite of what you claimed.

Who says I ignored it? It's a very strange rebuttal in a post where you refuse to accept TWO polls I posted.

Now this is funny. Yes, I dismissed your random “insurance.com” poll but I actually did not ignore your Gallup poll. It showed that Obamacare helped with what pretend to be concerned about. Lets review your gallup poll. You said it showed “continues to rise”. The poll dishonestly said “unchanged”. The actual data showed “starts to decline”. See how you continue to cowardly avoid that. don’t feel bad, its just what conservatives do.

THe editorial discussed how it reduces deficits. Do you have something other than a CBO prediction that proves it does reduce deficits?

Now JM, I’m going to type this very slowly. You posted a forbes “editorial” to back up your point that Obamacare did not reduce the deficit. Stop telling me what you think it says and cut and paste the part that backs up the claim that Obamacare does not reduce the deficit. Anyhoo, your question is truly delusional/hilarious. I don’t have to post something besides the CBO to show it reduces the deficit. Your question is the epitome of “desperate conservative flailing.” But since you cant back up your claim, the only tactic you have left is to flail at the CBO (yea, simply admitting the truth is not acceptable to conservatives)

 

[Vern]

In other words you admit that CNN is indeed fake news.

MR, the reason you have to dishonestly “misparaphrase” my post is because you cant address the point I made. The “whine about Vern” deflection is such a tired tactic that is only made worse by your dishonesty. If you are completely incapable of posting in an honest and intelligent fashion, you really shouldn’t be in a debate forum.

 

[Moderate Right]

MR, the reason you have to dishonestly “misparaphrase” my post is because you cant address the point I made. The “whine about Vern” deflection is such a tired tactic that is only made worse by your dishonesty. If you are completely incapable of posting in an honest and intelligent fashion, you really shouldn’t be in a debate forum.

There is no bigger whiner than you. But, your deflection tactics and partisanship are far superior to most of us here on DP so I tip my hat to you in those departments.

 

[Vern]

There is no bigger whiner than you. But, your deflection tactics and partisanship are far superior to most of us here on DP so I tip my hat to you in those departments.

MR, you are deflecting from your dishonest "misparaphrasing" of my post. the good news, you are not dishonestly "misparaphrasing" my post as part of your latest "whine about vern" deflection. lets recap. I responded to eohrn in post 87. You dishonestly "misparaphrased" my reply in post 89. Again I say, if you are completely incapable of posting in an honest and intelligent fashion, you really shouldn’t be in a debate forum.

 

[Moderate Right]

MR, you are deflecting from your dishonest "misparaphrasing" of my post. the good news, you are not dishonestly "misparaphrasing" my post as part of your latest "whine about vern" deflection. lets recap. I responded to eohrn in post 87. You dishonestly "misparaphrased" my reply in post 89. Again I say, if you are completely incapable of posting in an honest and intelligent fashion, you really shouldn’t be in a debate forum.

Ah. Your deflection of my deflection.

 

[jmotivator]

The problem with the insurance.com poll is you simply went looking for another poll when your gallup poll showed the opposite of what you thought... blah blah

So you have no argument in either case, you just use your

Now this is funny. Yes, I dismissed your random “insurance.com” poll but I actually did not ignore your Gallup poll. It showed that Obamacare helped with what pretend to be concerned about. Lets review your gallup poll. You said it showed “continues to rise”. The poll dishonestly said “unchanged”. The actual data showed “starts to decline”. See how you continue to cowardly avoid that. don’t feel bad, its just what conservatives do.

False! The poll showed an increase since the passage of Obamacare. My further evidence from the Insurance.com poll showed that among the working poor the delay for medical care is over 60%. You didn't like that so you dismiss it because you are intellectually dishonest and choose to dismiss information you don't like rather than provide evidence of your own.

Now JM, I’m going to type this very slowly. You posted a forbes “editorial” to back up your point that Obamacare did not reduce the deficit. Stop telling me what you think it says and cut and paste the part that backs up the claim that Obamacare does not reduce the deficit. Anyhoo, your question is truly delusional/hilarious. I don’t have to post something besides the CBO to show it reduces the deficit. Your question is the epitome of “desperate conservative flailing.” But since you cant back up your claim, the only tactic you have left is to flail at the CBO (yea, simply admitting the truth is not acceptable to conservatives)

LOL. The Forbes article goes into detail why Obamacare isn't lowering deficits, and why it is raising individual debt in the process... you can't argue against it so you resort to logical fallacy. The CBO has been shown to be wrong about Obamacare over and over and yet you will cling to it as your only evidence of anything. You are desperate, and can't manage to support your own argument.

Here are the numerous CBO predictions on Obamacare new enrollment numbers versus reality... it aint pretty:



(source)

The problem for your argument is that the CBO scoring of the GOP plan is based on the obviously wrong CBO scoring of Obamacare. Garbage in, and garbage out.. straight to your keyboard.

 

[Vern]

False! The poll showed an increase since the passage of Obamacare.

oh con, no one denies the gallup poll shows an increase of people worrying about costs since the passage of Obamacare. I cant help but notice how you don't say "continued increase" as you had previously. Anyhoo, as I already explained and you obediently ignored is that the coverage portion and subsidies didn't start until 2014. Instead of you mindlessly parroting talking points please explain why the you get to ignore the 14 year trend of people being concerned before the coverage portion and subsidies kicked in and why you get to cherry pick the "2008/2009" timeframe. don't worry, no one expects you to explain anything.

My further evidence from the Insurance.com poll showed that among the working poor the delay for medical care is over 60%. You didn't like that so you dismiss it because you are intellectually dishonest and choose to dismiss information you don't like rather than provide evidence of your own.

no silly, I dismissed it because its irrelevant. Had you bothered to read it instead of obediently whining at me, you would have seen its about job based high deductible plans. I just have to chuckle because its just another link you posted that you didn't read or comprehend. You're now 3 for 3 in that dept. And what's really funny is nothing in your link talked about working poor. As is usually the case, you simply saw what you wanted to see. Now con, read this very very slowly. Actual poor people get help with their out of pocket costs in Obamacare. You're simply just another con who has to ignore actual facts and see things that don't exist to obediently cling to your conservative narratives.

LOL. The Forbes article goes into detail why Obamacare isn't lowering deficits, and why it is raising individual debt in the process... you can't argue against it so you resort to logical fallacy. The CBO has been shown to be wrong about Obamacare over and over and yet you will cling to it as your only evidence of anything. You are desperate, and can't manage to support your own argument.

my goodness con. I told you to stop telling me what you think your lying editorial told you. we already know what you think. I asked to cut and paste the part that you think shows Obamacare doesn't reduce the deficit. Notice how you keep not doing that. And fyi, your obedient whining and flailing at the CBO only meets your standards.

 

[jmotivator]

oh con, no one denies the gallup poll shows an increase of people worrying about costs since the passage of Obamacare. I cant help but notice how you don't say "continued increase" as you had previously. Anyhoo, as I already explained and you obediently ignored is that the coverage portion and subsidies didn't start until 2014. Instead of you mindlessly parroting talking points please explain why the you get to ignore the 14 year trend of people being concerned before the coverage portion and subsidies kicked in and why you get to cherry pick the "2008/2009" timeframe. don't worry, no one expects you to explain anything.

Of course you deny it. You go so far as to reject a second poll because it looks even worse for your beliefs! Obamacare isn't helping people get medical treatment. Working people who couldn't afford to go to the doctor before who don't qualify for Medicaid still can't afford to go to the doctor, and many who COULD afford to go to the doctor under their older, cheaper, lower deductible plans no longer can.

no silly, I dismissed it because its irrelevant. Had you bothered to read it instead of obediently whining at me, you would have seen its about job based high deductible plans. I just have to chuckle because its just another link you posted that you didn't read or comprehend. You're now 3 for 3 in that dept. And what's really funny is nothing in your link talked about working poor. As is usually the case, you simply saw what you wanted to see. Now con, read this very very slowly. Actual poor people get help with their out of pocket costs in Obamacare. You're simply just another con who has to ignore actual facts and see things that don't exist to obediently cling to your conservative narratives.

It is absolutely relevant. You have not managed to actually mount a counter argument against, youy just dismiss it because you don't like the findings.

my goodness con. I told you to stop telling me what you think your lying editorial told you. we already know what you think. I asked to cut and paste the part that you think shows Obamacare doesn't reduce the deficit. Notice how you keep not doing that. And fyi, your obedient whining and flailing at the CBO only meets your standards.

Your nothing-burger responses steeped in condescending tone is a bigger tell to your desperation and lack of depth than I think you know.

 

[Vern]

Sorry JM, you’re simply at that point in the conversation I get to with a lot of conservatives. Your response has nothing to do with my posts. You are now arguing with imaginary posts. I will type as slow as possible but you’re just going to have to try harder to understand simple concepts.

Of course you deny it. You go so far as to reject a second poll because it looks even worse for your beliefs! Obamacare isn't helping people get medical treatment. Working people who couldn't afford to go to the doctor before who don't qualify for Medicaid still can't afford to go to the doctor, and many who COULD afford to go to the doctor under their older, cheaper, lower deductible plans no longer can.

How do you interpret me posting "no one denies the gallup poll shows an increase of people worrying about costs since the passage of Obamacare " as denial? I've simply pointed out how you've cherry picked the timeframe of "2008/2009" and ignored the data before and after your cherry picked timeframe.

Oh and you should pump the brakes with your obedient and false whining about costs and deductibles because the “better” republican plan only makes that worse. and you would have supported Obamacare over the republican plan of "status quo".
And of course since your concern is truly sincere, 19 states not expanding Medicaid really must upset you.

It is absolutely relevant. You have not managed to actually mount a counter argument against, youy just dismiss it because you don't like the findings.

I do have to chuckle that you think your random and irrelevant insurance.com poll shows things getting worse for poor people. It showed a number with no historical data and (read this very very slowly) it was about job based high deductible plans not about poor people. That’s just another thing you imagined. Please cut and paste the part of the insurance.com poll that you think shows it’s about poor people. Speaking of cutting and pasting from links you post ..……

Your nothing-burger responses steeped in condescending tone is a bigger tell to your desperation and lack of depth than I think you know.

Sadly your deflecting whine about me is a vast improvement over you continuing to try to explain to me that your link proved your point. Stop whining, stop deflecting and stop trying to “explain” how it proves your point and simply cut and paste the part of your lying “editorial” that you think proves your point. Or you could (now this might seem crazy) just admit you editorial proves nothing. yea, that is crazy.

Now JM, if you hit the reply button, please reply to what I’ve posted and not what you imagined. thanks in advance.

 

[jmotivator]

How do you interpret me posting "no one denies the gallup poll shows an increase of people worrying about costs since the passage of Obamacare " as denial? I've simply pointed out how you've cherry picked the timeframe of "2008/2009" and ignored the data before and after your cherry picked timeframe.

Oh and you should pump the brakes with your obedient and false whining about costs and deductibles because the “better” republican plan only makes that worse. and you would have supported Obamacare over the republican plan of "status quo".
And of course since your concern is truly sincere, 19 states not expanding Medicaid really must upset you.

I interpret it that way because you are not admitting the actual facts. It isn't "worry about costs", it is actual costs. The extent to which people with health insurance can't get health care under Obamavcare is the facts you are having a problem accepting and denying the evidence.

I do have to chuckle that you think your random and irrelevant insurance.com poll shows things getting worse for poor people. It showed a number with no historical data and (read this very very slowly) it was about job based high deductible plans not about poor people. That’s just another thing you imagined. Please cut and paste the part of the insurance.com poll that you think shows it’s about poor people. Speaking of cutting and pasting from links you post ..……

Keep denying, it is all you have.

Sadly your deflecting whine about me is a vast improvement over you continuing to try to explain to me that your link proved your point. Stop whining, stop deflecting and stop trying to “explain” how it proves your point and simply cut and paste the part of your lying “editorial” that you think proves your point. Or you could (now this might seem crazy) just admit you editorial proves nothing. yea, that is crazy.

You are delusional. You are the one deflecting. YOu won't address the evidence provided, and choose to play word games rather than address the very real fact that balooning premium costs and deductibles mean more and more people can't afford to use their Obamacare insurance to actually get treatment.

Now JM, if you hit the reply button, please reply to what I’ve posted and not what you imagined. thanks in advance.

I'm reading what you say, who do you think you are fooling?

 

[Moderate Right]

I interpret it that way because you are not admitting the actual facts. It isn't "worry about costs", it is actual costs. The extent to which people with health insurance can't get health care under Obamavcare is the facts you are having a problem accepting and denying the evidence.




Keep denying, it is all you have.



You are delusional. You are the one deflecting. YOu won't address the evidence provided, and choose to play word games rather than address the very real fact that balooning premium costs and deductibles mean more and more people can't afford to use their Obamacare insurance to actually get treatment.



I'm reading what you say, who do you think you are fooling?

Vern uses "alternative facts"