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Christian Terrorists Arrested In Plot To Bomb Muslims (Kansas) [W:230]

coldjoint said:
I meant the jihadists. Christianity does not teach jihad last time I checked.
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These men weren't attacking jihadists they were attacking innocent people who hadn't done anything wrong.
 
beefheart said:
There you go.

You can't defend your own posts.

That pretty much says it all.
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How devious some posters are is what it shows. We can leave it at that.
 
coldjoint said:
How devious some posters are is what it shows. We can leave it at that.
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The facts are: You said "I would say its about time"

And you have been running away from your statement ever since.

Its all in black and white and glowing on everyone's monitor.

What did you mean by that? Explain your post.
 
truthatallcost said:
Dust off those party hats. It's been a long time since McVeigh.
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And Mc Veigh was not a Christian, remember he said his religion was science. And there are members here that will say Christianity abhors science.
 
beefheart said:
The facts are: You said "I would say its about time"

And you have been running away from your statement ever since.

Its all in black and white and glowing on everyone's monitor.

What did you mean by that? Explain your post.
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So is your attempt to get me to say something I might regret. Aint going to happen. And I have a color monitor.
 
beefheart said:
Except for all the other domestic terrorists. Remember Oregon?

Read up.
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Lol. You really don't want to play this game. You'll lose badly.

Do you think some cattle ranchers in Oregon compares to Omar Mateen killing 49 people at an LGBT club in June? That was only 4 months ago. I can list plenty more Islamic related attacks if you like.
 
We could just ignore it, I hear talking about jihadists makes more. We don't want to contribute to this Christian problem, do we?:lamo
 
coldjoint said:
So is your attempt to get me to say something I might regret. Aint going to happen. And I have a color monitor.
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You already said something you should regret.

Sad part is that you keep running away from what you actually said.

You are the one saying stupid things and not explaining them.
 
beefheart said:
Christian Terrorists Arrested In Plot To Bomb Muslims

Christian Terrorists Arrested In Plot To Bomb Muslims
October 14, 2016 by Michael Stone 3

Crusaders: Domestic terrorists in Kansas charged with plotting attack on Muslims.

Federal investigators have stopped a domestic terrorism plot to bomb a Kansas apartment complex that is home to mostly Somali Muslims and is also used as a mosque.

The plot to kill Muslims was planned by a small group of Christian extremists known as “The Crusaders.”

According to reports three southwestern Kansas men have been arrested and charged in federal court with domestic terrorism charges: Curtis Allen, 49; Gavin Wright, 49; and Patrick Stein, 47, were arrested Friday morning.

The three are charged with one count of conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction.

Acting U.S. Attorney Tom Beall told reporters at a news conference in downtown Wichita earlier today the men are members of a small militia group called “The Crusaders.”

The Associated Press reports that the men are also associated with a militia group calling itself the Kansas Security Force.

On suspect Curtis Allen’s Facebook page multiple anti-Muslim posts can be found, including posts promoting violence against and killing of Muslim people. In addition, Allen posts Christian based hatred against LGBT people, including an image from Deuteronomy and the following text:

Deuteronomy chapter 22 verse 5. Read your bible everyone. The whole transgender issue is an abomination in the eyes of God
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The crusaders are actually a far right militia sovereign citizen group (Just like the Bundy's). Its a ideology that exploits religious beliefs.

I know what the article is getting at, ut calling them Christian extremists is a bit of a stretch. I am not say that they couldnt be categorized as being Christian extremists. But the groups main point ist actually Christianity its the sovereign citizen ideology. While groups like ISIS make it clear in everything they do, that what they did had to do with their certain brand of religious belief. ISIS exists for the reason of creating a area that they believe coincides with their religious beliefs.

The sovereign citizen movement has little to do with religious beliefs (though not void of Christianity). One could easily be a sovereign citizen without being a Christian. The same cannot be said of ISIS.

Of course certainly 'The Crusaders' were planning to kill innocent people for political and religious reasons. But as of yet little is know of what this particular militia believes. And considering this: "the affidavit said “Stein, Wright, and Allen … discussed targeting churches in Garden City that have supported refugees.” Stein said one particular church “needs burnt to the ground.”

Read more here: ‘Major investigation’ may be plot against Kansas mosque, report says | The Wichita Eagle


Attacking churches implies that they were considering attacking Christian churches that have helped Muslims. I am not thinking that they are very good Christians. If you read the link above they sound more like far right racists than anything.
 
truthatallcost said:
Lol. You really don't want to play this game. You'll lose badly.

Do you think some cattle ranchers in Oregon compares to Omar Mateen killing 49 people at an LGBT club in June? That was only 4 months ago. I can list plenty more Islamic related attacks if you like.
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10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men | Alternet


This list doesn't count the idiots in OR or the crazy christian that shot up and killed people in the CA Planned Parenthood clinic.

Can't you fathom that there are actually chistian terrorists as well?

I guess not.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
The crusaders are actually a far right militia sovereign citizen group (Just like the Bundy's). Its a ideology that exploits religious beliefs.

I know what the article is getting at, ut calling them Christian extremists is a bit of a stretch. I am not say that they couldnt be categorized as being Christian extremists. But the groups main point ist actually Christianity its the sovereign citizen ideology. While groups like ISIS make it clear in everything they do, that what they did had to do with their certain brand of religious belief. ISIS exists for the reason of creating a area that they believe coincides with their religious beliefs.

The sovereign citizen movement has little to do with religious beliefs (though not void of Christianity). One could easily be a sovereign citizen without being a Christian. The same cannot be said of ISIS.

Of course certainly 'The Crusaders' were planning to kill innocent people for political and religious reasons. But as of yet little is know of what this particular militia believes. And considering this: "the affidavit said “Stein, Wright, and Allen … discussed targeting churches in Garden City that have supported refugees.” Stein said one particular church “needs burnt to the ground.”

Read more here: ‘Major investigation’ may be plot against Kansas mosque, report says | The Wichita Eagle


Attacking churches implies that they were considering attacking Christian churches that have helped Muslims. I am not thinking that they are very good Christians. If you read the link above they sound more like far right racists than anything.
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Ah, so these guys were muslim? Or unitarians? Or $cientologists?

I'm guessing....if they were muslim, there would be a pile of outrage from the christians?

What do you think?
 
beefheart said:
Ah, so these guys were muslim? Or unitarians? Or $cientologists?

I'm guessing....if they were muslim, there would be a pile of outrage from the christians?

What do you think?
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There should be a pile of outrage from everyone on terror. And it should be an accepted fact who does 94% of it, and it is not Christians.
 
coldjoint said:
There should be a pile of outrage from everyone on terror. And it should be an accepted fact who does 94% of it, and it is not Christians.
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There should be a pile of outrage for you to explain your first post on this thread.

Keep running away from what you actually said.
 
beefheart said:
10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men | Alternet


This list doesn't count the idiots in OR or the crazy christian that shot up and killed people in the CA Planned Parenthood clinic.

Can't you fathom that there are actually chistian terrorists as well?

I guess not.
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white supremacist movement was well-documented: he had been a member of the neo-Nazi rock bands End Empathy and Definite Hate.
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Your links first story says nothing about this guy being a Christian. Can you say "Fail".
 
coldjoint said:
Oh no! I would say it is about time, but I wont.
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But you did.

Please explain what you mean by "it is about time". About time for what? Thanks.
 
beefheart said:
There should be a pile of outrage for you to explain your first post on this thread.

Keep running away from what you actually said.
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They say Hell is repetition. Enjoying yourself?
 
coldjoint said:
They say Hell is repetition. Enjoying yourself?
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And, you still dodge the question....

What does "its about time" mean?

You said it, stand up to it. Or keep running, because that defines you.
 
beefheart said:
And, you still dodge the question....

What does "its about time" mean?

You said it, stand up to it. Or keep running, because that defines you.
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I consider this harassment. So you know.
 
Looks like we get an early taste of what a Trump presidency would bring us. And to whoever made the case that Christian extremists were never a threat to security the way Muslims are, as the british who live among *many* more Muslims would say, bullocks!
 
Terrorists come in all stripes and all religions.
 
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