Christian Abortion Hypocrisy [W: 439]

[prometeus]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

According to doctrine, Satan himself believes in God and fully endorses His existence. Would you support the devil over an atheist who is a good person?

That lot would, just as long as it was not a Democrat.

 

[nota bene]

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To the contrary, there are quite a few Dominionists, Reconstructionists, and Christian Nationalists who are striving to make America a theocracy. Evangelicals seem to be a part of those groups and Trump is satisfying their demands.

Dominionism and Dominion Theology

Your link offers sources from 1995-2006. Perhaps you have fresher sources, ones that can estimate what percent of Americans are "dominionists" and what percent of evangelicals is?

 

[Logicman]

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Good article exposing the faux cries for life.

"One can, as a Christian, claim to be pro-life and use that stance to establish moral high ground in political conversations. It is acceptable for them to call those who don’t share their anti-abortion position “baby-killers,” while also supporting the use of drones, nuclear weapons, ignoring gun violence and continuing to support a criminal justice system that takes people’s lives with the death penalty, or prevents people from having access to resources that would ensure a quality of life that matches Jesus’ clear instructions to meet and care for people’s practical needs―the metric that Jesus used to test whether people actually know him."

...American Christians reveal not only their lack of care for holistic life politics but a fundamental misunderstanding of the way of Jesus. Conservative Christians are not pro-life, they are simply anti-abortion.

That quote pretty much mirrors arguments I've made in here for years.

Moreover:

What a load of nonsense.

Once again, the Biblically-challenged confuse murder with justice. Abortion is the murder of the innocent unborn. War against evildoers is justice, and is approved in the Bible, in Romans chapter 13, which reads,

"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

And we do not ignore gun violence. We try to educate liberals and centrists that their gun-free zones are slaughter zones. We try to educate them to put armed guards in schools and even arm teachers, and they scream, "No guns in our schools!" Idiots. How'd that work out for you??

In addition, Chicago has some of the most stringent gun-control measures in America, and it's a slaughterhouse of gun violence.

So get your OP story straight and read the Bible for a change so you will know what it says.

 

[Lursa]

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Not yet, but the day doctors are forced to perform an abortion I’m sure you and Lursa will be up here front and center saying “either do my abortion for free or don’t practice medicine”

Wow, you continue to be wrong on pretty much everything in this thread.

Here's my response in the poll in this sub-forum, Should Drs be required to perform abortions?

I voted No.

Altho I think it should be required in an emergency situation.

OTOH, if you are unwilling to do abortions, then IMO you should not take a position at a facility that does them.

 

[calamity]

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What a load of nonsense.

Once again, the Biblically-challenged confuse murder with justice. Abortion is the murder of the innocent unborn. War against evildoers is justice, and is approved in the Bible, in Romans chapter 13, which reads,

"For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

And we do not ignore gun violence. We try to educate liberals and centrists that their gun-free zones are slaughter zones. We try to educate them to put armed guards in schools and even arm teachers, and they scream, "No guns in our schools!" Idiots. How'd that work out for you??

In addition, Chicago has some of the most stringent gun-control measures in America, and it's a slaughterhouse of gun violence.

So get your OP story straight and read the Bible for a change so you will know what it says.

Same question for you:

According to doctrine, Satan himself believes in God and fully endorses His existence. Would you support the devil over an atheist who is a good person?

 

[Logicman]

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Same question for you:

According to doctrine, Satan himself believes in God and fully endorses His existence. Would you support the devil over an atheist who is a good person?

I don't believe I'd ever support the devil.

By the way, in God's eyes there aren't any 'good' atheists. Not only have they committed a heinous sin in rejecting Christ, but the scriptures also say that "no one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18).

 

[calamity]

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I don't believe I'd ever support the devil.

...knowingly.

By the way, in God's eyes there aren't any 'good' atheists. Not only have they committed a heinous sin in rejecting Christ, but the scriptures also say that "no one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18).

Well, that would explain why so many of us reject that particular religion.

 

[year2late]

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...knowingly.


Well, that would explain why so many of us reject that particular religion.

I was watching a program a few decades back. There was a town hall situation where audience members were allowed to ask questions of people of many faiths.

Lots of interesting questions and answers.

The one that stuck with me was "If I have lived a just and true life....one of honesty, helping others, respect, working hard (etc)....if I die not accepting your religion...what will happen to me?" Many of those in Christian faiths (not all) gave "rot in hell" type answers. It came down to a Hassidic Jew. His answer (to me) was perfect. "As long as you have lived such a just and true life, I believe we will be going to the same place....just in different seating sections".

 

[calamity]

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I was watching a program a few decades back. There was a town hall situation where audience members were allowed to ask questions of people of many faiths.

Lots of interesting questions and answers.

The one that stuck with me was "If I have lived a just and true life....one of honesty, helping others, respect, working hard (etc)....if I die not accepting your religion...what will happen to me?" Many of those in Christian faiths (not all) gave "rot in hell" type answers. It came down to a Hassidic Jew. His answer (to me) was perfect. "As long as you have lived such a just and true life, I believe we will be going to the same place....just in different seating sections".

If there is a "devil" or any force of pure evil, it's ideal would be for people of X religion to interpret it as stating, "everyone but for those who think like me rot in hell."

 

[Removable Mind]

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I don't believe I'd ever support the devil.

By the way, in God's eyes there aren't any 'good' atheists. Not only have they committed a heinous sin in rejecting Christ, but the scriptures also say that "no one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18).

You don't know what God or Jesus is thinking or believes - despite what you think the scriptures mean. A supernatural being(s) who you believe is monitoring every human thought and behavior - which is totally unbelievable in and of itself - could NOT have possibly said everything that their is to say that humans need to know and completely understand in various chapters of a book, which humans admit that they wrote, but supposedly under the instructions of a supernatural being.

In other words, supposedly God knows everything, every event, action, thought that has, is, and will occur - then knowing all of these things - either God is toying with us little creatures OR God (Jesus) has, on probably thousands of occasions change it, his, her mind.

Simply by answering prayers by one of our kind - the prayer itself would be predetermined (according to believers like yourself) - or God's intervening because of that prayer changed the course of everything. In other words, intervention for any reason would change the course of human actions or events.

You have virtually limited God by believing your own interpretations of the scriptures in the Bible.

In fact, God intervening in human affairs destroys the notion that we are free will beings. I say that because no human can determine when God has intervened, even though they claim God has because of prayers or things that are claimed to be acts of miracles that can only come from God - is changing the course of "free will" for humans.

So I opine that if God hasn't or doesn't change his, her, its mind through some form of intervention...or just decide to rewrite the code for how the universe works or how humans will experience their existence would be a huge surprise.

LM, you don't have a supernatural mind. Therefore you don't know what the hell God has planned, or not planned, or how God will intervene, or not intervene. Or whether or not God has changed its, his, her mind over the course of time "ABOUT EVERYTHING".

Hell, Billy Graham was constantly criticized for HIS OWN INTERPRETATIONS of the scriptures. You do the same thing. Every person who reads the Bible and considers it to be the WORD OF GOD has a different interpretation of what the scriptures mean.

Bottom line: Unless God has spoken to you personally and given you some type of special knowledge to interpret the Bible in a way that is 100% congruent to what God was conveying THROUGH HUMANS who penned the Bible - you don't know anything about what God thinks, plans, when God intervenes or doesn't, when God answers or doesn't answer prayers....YOU KNOW NOTHING, LM!!!

 

[year2late]

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You have virtually limited God by believing your own interpretations of the scriptures in the Bible.

I have said similar for years. Listening to many (not all) Christians on the boards over the years - it really seems like they micromanage God/Jesus to the extreme. Or they just make God/Jesus sound like the worst micromanagers ever.

 

[Logicman]

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Bottom line: Unless God has spoken to you personally and given you some type of special knowledge to interpret the Bible in a way that is 100% congruent to what God was conveying THROUGH HUMANS who penned the Bible - you don't know anything about what God thinks, plans, when God intervenes or doesn't, when God answers or doesn't answer prayers....YOU KNOW NOTHING, LM!!!

That's nonsense. God gives the Holy Spirit to believers when they are born-again in Christ. The Holy Spirit illuminates the Word of God to our hearts and minds.

You do not know the Holy Spirit because you are not a believer. The following is thus true for you and yours:

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

Such a shame...

 

[Logicman]

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Logicman: "By the way, in God's eyes there aren't any 'good' atheists. Not only have they committed a heinous sin in rejecting Christ, but the scriptures also say that "no one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18).

Well, that would explain why so many of us reject that particular religion.

Why, because you're upset that you're not as good as God? Why would you be?

 

[calamity]

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Why, because you're upset that you're not as good as God? Why would you be?

That's not what you wrote in your original post. You wrote this: "no one is good except God alone".

That's not the same thing.

 

[year2late]

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Why, because you're upset that you're not as good as God? Why would you be?

The turn off is the "my interpretation of God/Jesus/Bible is the only one" kind of statement.

 

[calamity]

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The turn off is the "my interpretation of God/Jesus/Bible is the only one" kind of statement.

Yep. "...in God's eyes there aren't any 'good' atheists." Comments like that are, simply put, evil.

And, calling the rejection of Jesus as the Christ "a heinous sin" is no better. It's as if this far out brand of Christianity is actually the work of the devil, if one exists.

 

[FutureIncoming]

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That's nonsense.

YUP; YOU WROTE NONSENSE.

God gives the Holy Spirit to believers when they are born-again in Christ.

PROVE IT. Because it sounds more like brainwashed religious enthusiasts being satisfied that someone else has become as brainwashed as themselves.

The Holy Spirit illuminates the Word of God to our hearts and minds.

GOD DID NOT SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE AND WRITE THE BIBLE. It is 100% Word Of Humans. And since it is well-known that humans can lie, it is Fact that the Bible contains inaccurate information (see "Great Flood" for an example). The Fact Is, the Bible is no more the Word of God than a random piece of paper I found on the ground one day:

God has inspired me to write: "Thou Art A Gullible Fool!"

You do not know the Holy Spirit because you are not a believer.

NOT BEING BRAINWASHED IS ALWAYS A PREFERABLE STATE.

The following is thus true for you and yours:

STILL NOT PROVED TO QUALIFY AS "Word of God" STUFF.

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness,

NOT WHAT I SAID ABOVE. So, obviously, your so-called "Word of God" is WRONG.

and cannot understand them,

MANY THINGS CAN BE UNDERSTOOD WITHOUT ACCEPTING THEM. See Albert Einstein and Quantum Mechanics, for a famous example. I don't even mind pointing out that he should have accepted it, because QM was correct, and Einstein wasn't. But other things can be understood and and accepted and still be wrong. Slavery, for example, was common in Africa at the time Europeans imported slaves to the Americas --it was inter-tribal warfare of Africans that captured the slaves that were sold to the Europeans.

because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

SINCE WHEN IS SPIRIT SUPERIOR TO WELL-INFORMED REASON? Maybe you should read this to see how thoroughly Spirit can fail to be better than The Whole Truth.

Such a shame...

BRAINWASHING IS INDEED SHAMEFUL. You and your kind should stop! Especially since the real goal is to make preachers richer and socially more powerful. The Bible was written to create a Government Of the People, By the Preachers, and For the Preachers. See Deuteronomy 17:9-12 for proof.

 

[year2late]

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Yep. "...in God's eyes there aren't any 'good' atheists." Comments like that are, simply put, evil.

And, calling the rejection of Jesus as the Christ "a heinous sin" is no better. It's as if this far out brand of Christianity is actually the work of the devil, if one exists.

It all seems rather.....unseemly.

An atheist that is honest, hardworking, selfless,kind, helps his fellow man......

Are we actually saying that since the person is an Atheist....God would say " well you do believe in me? You are damned!" . Have we micromanaged God into an arrogant asshole?

 

[Removable Mind]

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That's nonsense. God gives the Holy Spirit to believers when they are born-again in Christ. The Holy Spirit illuminates the Word of God to our hearts and minds.

You do not know the Holy Spirit because you are not a believer. The following is thus true for you and yours:

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

Such a shame...

Such a shame is right. You aren't supernatural by proxy.

 

[calamity]

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It all seems rather.....unseemly.

An atheist that is honest, hardworking, selfless,kind, helps his fellow man......

Are we actually saying that since the person is an Atheist....God would say " well you do believe in me? You are damned!" . Have we micromanaged God into an arrogant asshole?

Yes. That is exactly what they are saying. It's the primary reason I reject that religion.

I, for one, love the message of Jesus: find forgiveness, treat others like you wish to be treated, know that even your worst "sins" may be cleansed; those are all good messages. Where they lose me is in their insistence that we have to think of Jesus as a god. No way, Jose. I'm Definitely not doing that.

 

[year2late]

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Yes. That is exactly what they are saying. It's the primary reason I reject that religion.

I, for one, love the message of Jesus: find forgiveness, treat others like you wish to be treated, know that even your worst "sins" may be cleansed; those are all good messages. Where they lose me is in their insistence that we have to think of Jesus as a god. No way, Jose. I'm Definitely not doing that.

There is nothing wrong with having faith, believing in God...the Bible....etc. But they should apply the principles of their faith internally and be respectful of those that do not share their point of view. Would Jesus be disrespectful of those of another faith or belief? I am curious.

 

[Logicman]

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That's not what you wrote in your original post. You wrote this: "no one is good except God alone".

That's not the same thing.

There's no contradiction there. Only God is good. Apart from that why should a non-believer think he or she is morally as good as God?

 

[Logicman]

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YUP; YOU WROTE NONSENSE.

PROVE IT. Because it sounds more like brainwashed religious enthusiasts being satisfied that someone else has become as brainwashed as themselves.

GOD DID NOT SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE AND WRITE THE BIBLE. It is 100% Word Of Humans. And since it is well-known that humans can lie, it is Fact that the Bible contains inaccurate information (see "Great Flood" for an example). The Fact Is, the Bible is no more the Word of God than a random piece of paper I found on the ground one day:

NOT BEING BRAINWASHED IS ALWAYS A PREFERABLE STATE.

STILL NOT PROVED TO QUALIFY AS "Word of God" STUFF.

NOT WHAT I SAID ABOVE. So, obviously, your so-called "Word of God" is WRONG.

MANY THINGS CAN BE UNDERSTOOD WITHOUT ACCEPTING THEM. See Albert Einstein and Quantum Mechanics, for a famous example. I don't even mind pointing out that he should have accepted it, because QM was correct, and Einstein wasn't. But other things can be understood and and accepted and still be wrong. Slavery, for example, was common in Africa at the time Europeans imported slaves to the Americas --it was inter-tribal warfare of Africans that captured the slaves that were sold to the Europeans.

SINCE WHEN IS SPIRIT SUPERIOR TO WELL-INFORMED REASON? Maybe you should read this to see how thoroughly Spirit can fail to be better than The Whole Truth.

BRAINWASHING IS INDEED SHAMEFUL. You and your kind should stop! Especially since the real goal is to make preachers richer and socially more powerful. The Bible was written to create a Government Of the People, By the Preachers, and For the Preachers. See Deuteronomy 17:9-12 for proof.

You have no clue what you're talking about with all that blather.

 

[Logicman]

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Such a shame is right. You aren't supernatural by proxy.

I'm going to have a supernatural resurrection day. And so will the Christ-deniers.

But the believers will go to heaven, and the unbelievers into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8, etc.). Then their eyes will be opened, and they won't have to like it.

 

[Removable Mind]

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I'm going to have a supernatural resurrection day. And so will the Christ-deniers.

But the believers will go to heaven, and the unbelievers into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8, etc.).

Yeah, uh huh. Good for you.