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Christian Abortion Hypocrisy [W: 439]

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year2late said:
I have said similar for years. Listening to many (not all) Christians on the boards over the years - it really seems like they micromanage God/Jesus to the extreme. Or they just make God/Jesus sound like the worst micromanagers ever.
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They arent micromanagers. God was very clear in giving us free will. And for loving us no matter what and for being a God of peace and forgiveness and brotherly love.

Nothing like what many so-called Christians post or act like.

That's why it is SUPER hypocritical for a Christian to demand a return to the Bible in govt or to passing laws based only on religious beliefs...God gave us free will...it is the ultimate arrogance for people to demand that others are forced to follow Christian principles that they do not believe in. The Lord chose not to force us...it's pure self-righteousness and arrogance to try to form laws to do so.
 
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Logicman said:
There's no contradiction there. Only God is good. Apart from that why should a non-believer think he or she is morally as good as God?
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The god you describe is neither good nor moral. He's a murderous monster, proven repeatedly in every book of the Old Testament.
 
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Logicman said:
I'm going to have a supernatural resurrection day. And so will the Christ-deniers.

But the believers will go to heaven, and the unbelievers into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8, etc.). Then their eyes will be opened, and they won't have to like it.
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If all that is true, and if the god you follow is that devil described in the Old Testament, you just might be going in a wee bit different direction on that day.
 
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year2late said:
There is nothing wrong with having faith, believing in God...the Bible....etc. But they should apply the principles of their faith internally and be respectful of those that do not share their point of view. Would Jesus be disrespectful of those of another faith or belief? I am curious.
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From what I see in Mark, Mathew and Luke, Jesus would be ok with non believers who mind their own business. But, he would be a wee bit pissed at believers who spout out his name by wielding it as a weapon.

John is different. It's the opposite of that. I believe the same devilish influence who wrote the Old Testament wrote Jon.
 
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When are people going to learn that the political parties only represent viewpoints, they don't actually hold them. Politicians will say and do anything to get elected. We know this because Republicans for years have pitched social policy that they, in private, are not even practicing.

Trump is a shining example. It wasn't long ago that he was a card carrying Democrat and was shmoozing with the Clintons. Then he joined the POTUS race and opportunized a demographic that the thought could play: the angry, white disenfranchised crowd. He did his research.

Politicians against abortion will be the first to fly their daughters out of the country to secret locations to get them. Make no mistake, in a world where abortion is illegal, the wealthy and elite will still be getting them. One set of rules for us, another for them.
 
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FutureIncoming said:
HAW! HAW!! HAW!!! I have much more of a clue than you. See, The Fact Is, The Truth Always Makes Logical Sense. I have nothing against the notion that God exists. But I don't accept the irrational say-so ABOUT GOD of brainwashed religious enthusiasts, and neither should anyone else.
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Nothing irrational about it. And I seriously doubt you've done any serious, historic study on the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Which is why you have the ill-informed opinion that you do.

You haven't done your homework.
 
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calamity said:
The god you describe is neither good nor moral. He's a murderous monster, proven repeatedly in every book of the Old Testament.
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Balderdash. You don't have an objective basis for right and wrong, or for calling God evil. All you have is your personal, subjective moral relativism.
 
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Logicman said:
Balderdash. You don't have an objective basis for right and wrong, or for calling God evil. All you have is your personal, subjective moral relativism.
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No. I am certain that the supposed god who flooded the globe, thereby killing nearly everything on it, is evil. No ifs, ands or buts.
 
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calamity said:
No. I am certain that the supposed god who flooded the globe, thereby killing nearly everything on it, is evil. No ifs, ands or buts.
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What Logicman fails to understand is your belief is just as valid as his.

Beliefs having no basis in fact is just a belief. No more. No less. A lot of people believing does not make it fact.
 
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nota bene said:
"Faux cries for life" makes your intent here clear.

I take exception to your quoted "Conservative Christians are not pro-life, [sic] they are simply anti-abortion." I am a conservative (generally) who is pro-life, and I believe in the inherent dignity and value of every human life from the moment of conception until natural death, including those who are most likely to be marginalized—the very old, the very sick, the very disabled, and the youngest of us all, the unborn.

Being pro-life isn’t just about being opposed to elective abortion on demand; it’s about respecting life, however inconvenient that life is, and abortion is only one of the complicated issues that challenge individual and collective conscience.
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https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-d...lls-is-even-better-advice-than-it-used-to-be/
 
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Logicman said:
Nothing irrational about it.
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AN IDIOTICALLY STUPID LIE. For example, there is the claim that God forms bodies in wombs, per a particular Bible verse. But the claim is actually different from what the verse says. In that verse God is telling a particular prophet that God formed that particular/single body in the womb. There is nothing generic about that verse. Meanwhile, there are the additional claims that God is knowledgeable and perfect. OK, that means God fully knows that DNA is quite capable of forming bodies in wombs (look up "hox genes"). AND it would mean that if God forms bodies in the womb, anyway, all of them should come out perfect --except The Fact Is, about 2/3 of them Naturally die before birth. We might imagine that God occasionally forms a body in the womb (such as Isaac the son of very-old Sarah and Abraham, or Jesus the son of the Virgin Mary) --but it is idiotic and irrational to think God does that for any woman that God knows doesn't want to be pregnant and will seek an abortion if pregnancy happens.

FOR ANOTHER EXAMPLE, there is the claim that souls begin to exist at conception. We have proof that that claim is a Stupid Lie, two different ways. First, it is known that when identical twins or identical triplets/quads/etc happen after a single ovum-fertilization, the formation of the extra siblings happens several days after the conception event. Second, it is known that when two ovum-fertilizations happen, sometimes, several days afterward, they merge (and neither dies during the merging) to form a single human body. So consider those Facts in relation to the Standard Claim that every human body has one soul. Where do the extra souls come from, when identical siblings happen? Where does the extra soul go, when two blastocysts merge? AND MORE: Consider the Standard Claim that the soul is immortal, meaning it cannot be destroyed by any physical event: Logically That Also Means It Cannot Be Created By Any Physical Event (such as ovum-fertilization). But since religious-enthusiast/abortion-opponents routinely blather idiotic irrationality, they want you to believe unborn humans have souls per their mere say-so, without any supporting evidence whatsoever. For more information on just how idiotic and irrational religious enthusiasts can be, read this.

STILL MORE: Even the notion that a soul might become associated with an unborn human sometime after conception is provably irrational. Every confirmed pregnancy involves an unborn human that is absolutely, positively, GUILTY of committing 4 different types of assault upon its hostess. It steals biological nutrients from her body. It dumps toxic biowastes into her body. And it infuses addictive and mind-altering substances into her body. If a human adult did any ONE of those things to another human, how would God Judge that human's soul? And here the claim is, unborn humans have souls doing all 4 of those horrible things, and about 1/6 of all confirmed pregnancies Naturally miscarry --which is a whole lot of souls for God to Judge/condemn, while abortion opponents blather the idiotic/irrational Stupid Lie that unborn humans are "innocent". Not In The Slightest!
 
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Logicman said:
And I seriously doubt you've done any serious, historic study on the life and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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CLAIMS ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY FACTS. Therefore, unless you can prove that a particular claim is associated with Reality, why should anyone believe it? Not to mention, nothing about the life of Jesus has anything to do with The Overall Abortion Debate.

Logicman said:
Which is why you have the ill-informed opinion that you do.
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BETTER-INFORMED THAN YOU, since you somehow believe that mere say-so is superior to Verifiable Evidence.

Logicman said:
You haven't done your homework.
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HAW! HAW!! HAW!!! See the other/first msg I wrote in response to your post quoted here.
 
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calamity said:
No. I am certain that the supposed god who flooded the globe, thereby killing nearly everything on it, is evil. No ifs, ands or buts.
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That's uninformed. The fact is, God snuffed out evil, and that's apparently lost on you.

As the scripture notes,

"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5
 
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FutureIncoming said:
AN IDIOTICALLY STUPID LIE. For example, there is the claim that God forms bodies in wombs, per a particular Bible verse. But the claim is actually different from what the verse says. In that verse God is telling a particular prophet that God formed that particular/single body in the womb. There is nothing generic about that verse. Meanwhile, there are the additional claims that God is knowledgeable and perfect. OK, that means God fully knows that DNA is quite capable of forming bodies in wombs (look up "hox genes"). AND it would mean that if God forms bodies in the womb, anyway, all of them should come out perfect --except The Fact Is, about 2/3 of them Naturally die before birth. We might imagine that God occasionally forms a body in the womb (such as Isaac the son of very-old Sarah and Abraham, or Jesus the son of the Virgin Mary) --but it is idiotic and irrational to think God does that for any woman that God knows doesn't want to be pregnant and will seek an abortion if pregnancy happens.
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Two things: 1. God gives the spirit of man / woman in the womb. 2. God gives people free will, to abort or not to abort.

FutureIncoming said:
FOR ANOTHER EXAMPLE, there is the claim that souls begin to exist at conception. We have proof that that claim is a Stupid Lie, two different ways. First, it is known that when identical twins or identical triplets/quads/etc happen after a single ovum-fertilization, the formation of the extra siblings happens several days after the conception event. Second, it is known that when two ovum-fertilizations happen, sometimes, several days afterward, they merge (and neither dies during the merging) to form a single human body. So consider those Facts in relation to the Standard Claim that every human body has one soul. Where do the extra souls come from, when identical siblings happen? Where does the extra soul go, when two blastocysts merge? AND MORE: Consider the Standard Claim that the soul is immortal, meaning it cannot be destroyed by any physical event: Logically That Also Means It Cannot Be Created By Any Physical Event (such as ovum-fertilization). But since religious-enthusiast/abortion-opponents routinely blather idiotic irrationality, they want you to believe unborn humans have souls per their mere say-so, without any supporting evidence whatsoever. For more information on just how idiotic and irrational religious enthusiasts can be, read this.

STILL MORE: Even the notion that a soul might become associated with an unborn human sometime after conception is provably irrational. Every confirmed pregnancy involves an unborn human that is absolutely, positively, GUILTY of committing 4 different types of assault upon its hostess. It steals biological nutrients from her body. It dumps toxic biowastes into her body. And it infuses addictive and mind-altering substances into her body. If a human adult did any ONE of those things to another human, how would God Judge that human's soul? And here the claim is, unborn humans have souls doing all 4 of those horrible things, and about 1/6 of all confirmed pregnancies Naturally miscarry --which is a whole lot of souls for God to Judge/condemn, while abortion opponents blather the idiotic/irrational Stupid Lie that unborn humans are "innocent". Not In The Slightest!
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Yawn.

You can't measure the supernatural so you have no real clue what God actually does in the womb.

And until souls in the womb understand right and wrong years later, they are not adjudicated guilty by God.
 
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FutureIncoming said:
CLAIMS ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY FACTS. Therefore, unless you can prove that a particular claim is associated with Reality, why should anyone believe it? Not to mention, nothing about the life of Jesus has anything to do with The Overall Abortion Debate.


BETTER-INFORMED THAN YOU, since you somehow believe that mere say-so is superior to Verifiable Evidence.


HAW! HAW!! HAW!!! See the other/first msg I wrote in response to your post quoted here.
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Have you ever seriously read the Bible? It sure doesn't sound like it.
 
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Northern Light said:
When are people going to learn that the political parties only represent viewpoints, they don't actually hold them. Politicians will say and do anything to get elected. We know this because Republicans for years have pitched social policy that they, in private, are not even practicing.

Trump is a shining example. It wasn't long ago that he was a card carrying Democrat and was shmoozing with the Clintons. Then he joined the POTUS race and opportunized a demographic that the thought could play: the angry, white disenfranchised crowd. He did his research.

Politicians against abortion will be the first to fly their daughters out of the country to secret locations to get them. Make no mistake, in a world where abortion is illegal, the wealthy and elite will still be getting them. One set of rules for us, another for them.
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Cruise ships just outside international line...a short distance...just like gambling ships.

All paid for by the donations that currently go to PP and other such facilities and I'm sure donations would go up if abortion became illegal.

Nice safe, clean facilities with Drs & nurses enjoying the very comfortable amenities as well.

And no ability to press any charges when returning to the US.

And of course there's still Canada.
 
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calamity said:
Yep. "...in God's eyes there aren't any 'good' atheists." Comments like that are, simply put, evil.

And, calling the rejection of Jesus as the Christ "a heinous sin" is no better. It's as if this far out brand of Christianity is actually the work of the devil, if one exists.
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He classes Hindus as atheists.:lamo
 
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Logicman said:
That's uninformed. The fact is, God snuffed out evil, and that's apparently lost on you.

As the scripture notes,

"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5
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So, drowning a million rabbits and squirrels snuffed out evil?

The god in the O/T is evil. Not the rabbits, squirrels and others he decided to summarily execute. :roll:
 
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Logicman said:
That's uninformed. The fact is, God snuffed out evil, and that's apparently lost on you.

As the scripture notes,

"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." - Genesis 6:5
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You simply can’t help but insist that you have some type of direct pipeline to God. For every person who subscribed to the very scriptures that you do can have a totally different perspective.

I’m guessing that you just ain’t that special.

What a crock. If God knew the wickedness of man would be “evil continually”, then God isn’t the perfect being/creator that so many people claim.

If God is so all knowing, he should have done away with Adam/Eve/Satan in the Garden of Eden, recognized its, his, her own flaws and whipped out a new, perfect Adam and Eve.

If God can’t recognize it’s, his, her own flaws then I opine that it is God that is the eternal evil.

You’ve made God into the likes of a bad little kid who loves burning ants with a magnifying glass.
 
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Removable Mind said:
You simply can’t help but insist that you have some type of direct pipeline to God. For every person who subscribed to the very scriptures that you do can have a totally different perspective.
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I don't think so. I see two major positions on abortion - either for or against.

Removable Mind said:
I’m guessing that you just ain’t that special.
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Ha! God sent Jesus to pay for my sins at Calvary. That's pretty special indeed.

Removable Mind said:
What a crock. If God knew the wickedness of man would be “evil continually”, then God isn’t the perfect being/creator that so many people claim.
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Bull. He gives free will to men. They create the havoc. Or would you prefer that God make pre-programmed robot people who could only do good?

Removable Mind said:
You’ve made God into the likes of a bad little kid who loves burning ants with a magnifying glass.
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You haven't studied the subject of evil in the Bible, have you? It's obvious.

Here's a clue for you from a theological great Ravi Zacharias:

“Whenever a person raises the problem of evil, they are also positing the existence of good. When you say something is evil you assume something is good. If you assume there’s such a thing as good, you also assume there’s such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. If you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law, you must posit a moral law giver, because if there’s not a moral law giver, there’s no moral law. If there’s no moral law, there’s no good. If there’s no good, there’s no evil. So what is their question?” – Ravi Zacharias

"Free will. That’s another answer to the ‘why’ of evil. God created men and angels with free will, to do good or evil, so they can be free moral agents. This is for a limited time, until the final Judgment, or until God levies judgment on men or nations. God gave this free will because there is no true love without freedom to choose either God of Satan. He did this to allow men and angels to operate on their own accords – to test God’s ways, and see if their ways are better, so that in the end there can be a final comparison and determination about whose way was better. We actually see an illustration of this in the 1st and 2nd chapters of the Book of Job – God allowing Satan to challenge his ways."

https://righterreport.com/2015/10/14/addressing-the-problem-of-evil/
 
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