Christian Abortion Hypocrisy [W: 439]

[calamity]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

Once again, you have no objective moral basis for determining what is evil. Yours is based on subjective moral relativism.

Incorrect

 

[FutureIncoming]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

While I do appreciate your water site as humorous, I disagree on many accounts.

OF COURSE. People who are wrong disagree with Facts all the time!

First, All of those points are relevant.

YOUR MERE SAY-SO IS WORTHLESS. Prove it!!!

Defining life is the main issue I think we are having here,

NOT AT ALL. It is totally unnecessary to define life. See that other message in which I mentioned ghosts, for example. If you want to claim that defining life is important, PROVE IT!!!

and saying that life is irrelevant is

100% FACTUAL. Life has nothing whatsoever to do with personhood. Perhaps you should pay attention to the US Constitution-plus-Amendments? They use the word "person" throughout, and don't use the word "human" even once. So, why does "life" matter, with respect to personhood?

like saying guns are unimportant to a police officer debate.

ARE YOU UNAWARE THAT FOR MANY YEARS IN ENGLAND, police officers never carried guns?

Second don't know who "we" is,

WE PERSONS. You may include all possible types of persons.

because I certainly do not see AI as equal to humans in any way.

TOTALLY TRUE AT THE PRESENT TIME. But I was talking about the not-distant future, in which almost everyone working with advanced technology expects True Artificial Intelligences, very equivalent to True Natural Intelligences, to be developed. We are copying more and more features of human brains into computers --here is one of the latest developments-- and since the human brain is a finite object with a finite number of features, how can you possibly think that the copying process will never lead to the development of True Artificial Intelligences?

Third, killing bacteria is different than killing humans.

SINGLE-CELLED LIFE vs MULTI-CELLED LIFE. Yes, somewhat different. However, the state of "death" is pretty universal, regardless of the starting point.

Not all life is equal.

TRUE. So what? Suppose you claimed that since green plants are an inferior type of life to humans, it is OK to kill all the green plants in the world? Then, of course, you get to die because green plants produce oxygen, and humans cannot survive without oxygen. Therefore, Logically, various other life-forms are AS important as humans, regardless of the worthless opinion of abortion opponents!

If you had to choose between saving the life of a human or a bacteria, I daresay anyone might choose the human.

DEPENDS ON THE HUMAN AND THE BACTERIUM. After all, the human might be unborn (equivalent to a mere mindless animal), and the bacterium might produce a chemical that cures cancer.

Personhood is very important to the very nature of this debate.

ABSOLUTELY. But it still has absolutely nothing to do with either the topic of "life" or the topic of "human".

 

[FutureIncoming]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

Well, I must say that I vehemently disagree with what was just said,

AND I DISAGREE WITH THE NOTION THAT STUPID PREJUDICE IS A VALID REASON TO OPPOSE ABORTION. Which is basically the only point you have offered.

 

[year2late]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

I understand that this is currently an unpopular view, however, I believe in a young earth that was created by God 6,000-8,000 years ago. I also believe that while yes, individual cells are alive, they are just that, cells, until they meet to form a zygote. At that point, that embryo is a sacred life, and the carrier of a human life and soul.
I do not believe in evolution, either. I believe evolution is an impossible scientific hypothesis that gets God out of the picture of life and authority.

It is not unpopular, it is scientifically ridiculous.

This is where you lose a lot of people. If you are having a debate such as this that you are proclaiming scientific knowledge,,,,then when you ignore a huge portion of our scientific/biological history.....it is makes it very difficult to listen to the rest.

I respect your beliefs. But they are your beliefs no more no less.

Being sacred life is your belief. Ensoulment at conception is your belief. I am ok with you applying your beliefs to yourself and your actions.

 

[FutureIncoming]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

I understand that this is currently an unpopular view,

FACTS ARE FACTS. Believing lies never changes Facts.

however, I believe in a young earth that was created by God 6,000-8,000 years ago.

THEN YOU BELIEVE GOD IS A LIAR. Tsk, tsk! The proof is simple: The Earth is chock-full of evidence supporting a greater age than some thousands of years, like this and this and this. If you claim God created the Earth, then you claim God created those LIES about the age of the Earth. Simple!

I also believe that while yes, individual cells are alive, they are just that, cells, until they meet to form a zygote.

MORE STUPID PREJUDICE. The word "zygote" is generic. When plants are pollinated, zygotes are the result. When animals mate, zygotes are the result. Humans are just one of a huge category of life-forms that include zygotes as part of their life-cycles.

BY THE WAY, in case you didn't know, a zygote is rather equivalent to certain single-celled animals, such as amoeba and paramecia. Each such living cell is of a generic type known as a "eukaryote cell" (ordinary bacterial cells are "prokaryote cells").

At that point, that embryo is a sacred life,

AN EMBRYO IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM A ZYGOTE. You might as well be claiming that a locomotive is the same thing as a two-man railway handcar.

and the carrier of a human life

IT IS MOST CERTAINLY ALIVE AND HUMAN. So are the cuticles that get clipped during manicures and pedicures. Big deal!

and soul.

IRRATIONAL. As I explained in detail in Msg #190. You are, of course, free to believe any idiotic/irrational thing you choose. But that doesn't mean anyone else must stoop to equal idiocy/irrationality.

I do not believe in evolution, either.

TOO BAD. Evolution has been proved to happen. AND, BY THE WAY, since God knows everything, God knows all about how evolution works. Why do you think God is an idiot, personally creating life-forms that God knew were perfectly capable of evolving into existence without so much as a Godly finger getting lifted?

I believe evolution is an impossible scientific hypothesis

YOU BELIEVE WRONG. Just like all other abortion opponents.

that gets God out of the picture of life

NOT EVERYONE THINKS THAT WAY. Plenty of folks (like myself) are quite comfortable both with the existence of evolution and the existence of God (it even makes sense to think that God evolved into existence). There is nothing incompatible about the two notions. All perceived incompatibilities stem from idiotic/irrational and totally unproved claims made by brainwashed religious enthusiasts --like the claim God created the Earth, while Knowing All About How The Universe Works.

and authority.

A WORTHLESS EXCUSE OF GREEDY PREACHERS. The Bible, Deuteronomy 17:9-12, clearly indicates that it exists in order for preachers to control everyone else. But since preachers are human and are able to lie, why should they be believed?

 

[Bezukhov]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

One can, as a Christian, claim to be pro-life and use that stance to establish moral high ground in political conversations. It is acceptable for them to call those who don’t share their anti-abortion position “baby-killers,” while also supporting the use of drones, nuclear weapons, ignoring gun violence and continuing to support a criminal justice system that takes people’s lives with the death penalty, or prevents people from having access to resources that would ensure a quality of life that matches Jesus’ clear instructions to meet and care for people’s practical needs―the metric that Jesus used to test whether people actually know him.

...American Christians reveal not only their lack of care for holistic life politics but a fundamental misunderstanding of the way of Jesus. Conservative Christians are not pro-life, they are simply anti-abortion.

What you fail to grasp is that the "Pro-Life" crowd are a sporting bunch. Abortion is like shooting fish in a barrel. If you wait until that baby is born he now has the chance to crawl away when that good Christian pilot drops bombs on his village.

 

[Removable Mind]

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I don't think so. I see two major positions on abortion - either for or against.

Ha! God sent Jesus to pay for my sins at Calvary. That's pretty special indeed.

Bull. He gives free will to men. They create the havoc. Or would you prefer that God make pre-programmed robot people who could only do good?

You haven't studied the subject of evil in the Bible, have you? It's obvious.

Here's a clue for you from a theological great Ravi Zacharias:

“Whenever a person raises the problem of evil, they are also positing the existence of good. When you say something is evil you assume something is good. If you assume there’s such a thing as good, you also assume there’s such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. If you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law, you must posit a moral law giver, because if there’s not a moral law giver, there’s no moral law. If there’s no moral law, there’s no good. If there’s no good, there’s no evil. So what is their question?” – Ravi Zacharias

"Free will. That’s another answer to the ‘why’ of evil. God created men and angels with free will, to do good or evil, so they can be free moral agents. This is for a limited time, until the final Judgment, or until God levies judgment on men or nations. God gave this free will because there is no true love without freedom to choose either God of Satan. He did this to allow men and angels to operate on their own accords – to test God’s ways, and see if their ways are better, so that in the end there can be a final comparison and determination about whose way was better. We actually see an illustration of this in the 1st and 2nd chapters of the Book of Job – God allowing Satan to challenge his ways."

https://righterreport.com/2015/10/14/addressing-the-problem-of-evil/

Please don’t waste your time quoting scriptures to me. I don’t subscribe to your religion. There’s nothing you can say that will sway me or entice me to want to adopt your religion.

I do have to say that you make posts that are so grim, so disparaging, so damning that it makes me feel in awe and wonder why anybody would want to subscribe to such tenets, beliefs and anchor their faith to such a doctrine.

But from your post above it’s clear that “you’ve chosen” to disregard the points that I made. Let me repost them.

However...

If you can’t avoid diverting from them with unrelated babbling that isn’t congruent to my points and questions, then I implore you not to waste anymore of your time or mine - and simply don’t feel obligated to respond. The absence of any further replies will signify to me that you choose not to continue our discussion.

My previous post:

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What a crock.

If God knew the wickedness of man would be “evil continually”, then God isn’t the perfect being/creator that so many people claim.

If God is so all knowing, he should have done away with Adam/Eve/Satan in the Garden of Eden, recognized its, his, her own flaws and whipped out a new, perfect Adam and Eve.

If God can’t recognize it’s, his, her own flaws then I opine that it is God that is the eternal evil.

You’ve made God into the likes of a bad little kid who loves burning ants with a magnifying glass.

There is no logical reason that a supernatural being would find it necessary to create a world that is constantly under siege by evil. Humans living in continuous peace and harmony would not make them robots. It would allow them to be an extension of their creator by allowing them to create in their world those things that best meet their needs.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

What you fail to grasp is that the "Pro-Life" crowd are a sporting bunch. Abortion is like shooting fish in a barrel. If you wait until that baby is born he now has the chance to crawl away when that good Christian pilot drops bombs on his village.

How fast do you think infants are able to crawl? And how is an infant child, by circumstance of birth, who is born where such violence exist, intellectually able to determine the best course of action in order to survive, and hopefully with little to no lifetime effecting injuries.

And frankly, I don’t get the the relationship of infants exposed to life threatening/bodily injury circumstances to abortion.

Let me pose a different situation, which is real. Each “year” nearly 10 million children, under the age of 5, suffer and die from “preventable causes. It appears that they haven’t discovered a way to crawl away from the tragedies and suffering that they must endure. All industrialized nations are aware of these children - yet won’t go “to any length” to end these preventable deaths.

So now, tell us how you really feel about “abortion” and if you oppose it, don’t hesitate to tell us why.

 

[calamity]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

What you fail to grasp is that the "Pro-Life" crowd are a sporting bunch. Abortion is like shooting fish in a barrel. If you wait until that baby is born he now has the chance to crawl away when that good Christian pilot drops bombs on his village.

Pro-Fetus Christians are Darwinists and they don't even know it. They want to protect the fetus. But, once it's born, only those rug-rats who can avoid death via disease, starvation, bombing, etc. get to survive and make more fetuses.

 

[calamity]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

How fast do you think infants are able to crawl? And how is an infant child, by circumstance of birth, who is born where such violence exist, intellectually able to determine the best course of action in order to survive, and hopefully with little to no lifetime effecting injuries.

And frankly, I don’t get the the relationship of infants exposed to life threatening/bodily injury circumstances to abortion.

Let me pose a different situation, which is real. Each “year” nearly 10 million children, under the age of 5, suffer and die from “preventable causes. It appears that they haven’t discovered a way to crawl away from the tragedies and suffering that they must endure. All industrialized nations are aware of these children - yet won’t go “to any length” to end these preventable deaths.

So now, tell us how you really feel about “abortion” and if you oppose it, don’t hesitate to tell us why.

If I may, I believe you are reading a wee bit too much into what he wrote. Your sarcasm detector must be on the blink.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

I understand that this is currently an unpopular view, however, I believe in a young earth that was created by God 6,000-8,000 years ago. I also believe that while yes, individual cells are alive, they are just that, cells, until they meet to form a zygote. At that point, that embryo is a sacred life, and the carrier of a human life and soul.
I do not believe in evolution, either. I believe evolution is an impossible scientific hypothesis that gets God out of the picture of life and authority.

Do you accept the science that cures disease? That keeps airplanes in the air? That provides a network of energy around the country?

Yes? So you only deny the science that conforms to your beliefs? It is definitely implied in your post. Please tell me that you see that is backwards?

You have manufactured a false reality in order to retain your beliefs in your religion.

Most Christians manage to do that on faith....*which is what God asks of us*. With faith, no proof is required, that's the point. If you need to manufacture fake foundations for your beliefs...your faith is sadly lacking.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

If I may, I believe you are reading a wee bit too much into what he wrote. Your sarcasm detector must be on the blink.

Anything is possible, I’m not above it.

However...

Posting allegories or metaphorically - has a tendency to push buttons. When using a story to illustrate a moral or political point - it should be crafted with a clear intent as to the necessity of fabricating a story to make a point.

I’m a believer in the old saying, “Say what you mean or mean what you say.”

Personally, I’d like to know what this poster’s base position on abortion “prior” to their creating allegories.

In other words, I don’t find the poster’s story, which he/she fabricated to make a statement about abortion - necessary, or in any way valuable to the discussion.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

If you would, could you define your definitions of human and person to me?

A human is Homo sapiens. With human DNA. Do you believe in DNA? In species?

Person & human being in the abortion debate are legal terms.

U.S. Code § 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/8

(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(b) As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.

(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being “born alive” as defined in this section.

 

[year2late]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

I do not want an expectation that I disregard scientific and evidence based historical reality and to accept another's faith as a "truth".

We are not a theocracy.

 

[Lursa]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

While many beliefs are subjective, at some point one must consider absolute truth. I would hope and assume that everybody on this forum agrees that murder is wrong. Because of this, the question must be posed: why is it that humanity has a universal, basic code of conduct? Because humans naturally tend to disagree, it is a matter of curiosity that some things can be agreed on entirely at all, such as not murdering people. Because of our natural state of disagreement, these obvious moral truths that we all agree on must be given by something or someone. Christianity points to a God that has the Law written on the hearts of humanity. “Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them” (Romans 2:14-15)
This explains the human conscience, even for those who are not Christians. Now, with abortion, the real issue is whether life begins at conception or not. The Bible points to that being the case in Psalm 51:5, "Since we are sinful from the moment of conception..." and also in Psalm 139:13, where it says, “For You created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb." This suggests that God is involved from the very beginning, and that from conception, each human being is special.

Morality did not originate with Christianity or any other religion. It exists outside religion as well, and it originated with humans as social/tribal animals that needed to create a structure within which to successfully raise offspring and protect resources.

 

[Bodi]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

When practically a lot of their policies are counter to the dictate of God - enforcing them on individuals (or else, get fined or lose your job).....it's becoming a God-less society. Of course it doesn't happen overnight.

Murder of the unborn (now insurance companies, employers, and even doctors are forced to go against their conscience by either paying for, or performing the actual murder).

Same-sex marriage. Not only does that busted the traditional marriage - union between a male and a female - given by God to mankind, but everyone is being forced to see and accept it as a normal life-style. Need we say more?

Allowing these things does not "promote" a godless society... it allows for one.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Do you understand it?

 

[Bezukhov]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

Anything is possible, I’m not above it.

However...

Posting allegories or metaphorically - has a tendency to push buttons. When using a story to illustrate a moral or political point - it should be crafted with a clear intent as to the necessity of fabricating a story to make a point.

I’m a believer in the old saying, “Say what you mean or mean what you say.”

Personally, I’d like to know what this poster’s base position on abortion “prior” to their creating allegories.

In other words, I don’t find the poster’s story, which he/she fabricated to make a statement about abortion - necessary, or in any way valuable to the discussion.

I'm not a big fan of abortions for light or trivial reasons. On the other hand I do understand that it all boils down to property rights. Rape, for instance, certainly qualifies as an intolerable imposition that should be dealt with, if the mother so chooses.

My allegory, such as it is, references the way I see far too many Christians rationalizing. Here they're decrying abortions as tantamount to murder, over there in another thread they want to nuke Mecca, carpet bomb this country or turn some other country into a glass parking lot. I'm not saying you personally, but I'm just adding my denunciation of the Christian hypocrisy the OP mentions.

One question. If a fetus has only two fates for it's future, one is to be aborted, the other to be adopted by a gay couple, which is the lesser of two evils, according to current Christian thinking?

 

[Lursa]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

One question. If a fetus has only two fates for it's future, one is to be aborted, the other to be adopted by a gay couple, which is the lesser of two evils, according to current Christian thinking?

Make it a gay married couple...hmm. Good question.

 

[Removable Mind]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

I'm not a big fan of abortions for light or trivial reasons. On the other hand I do understand that it all boils down to property rights. Rape, for instance, certainly qualifies as an intolerable imposition that should be dealt with, if the mother so chooses.

My allegory, such as it is, references the way I see far too many Christians rationalizing. Here they're decrying abortions as tantamount to murder, over there in another thread they want to nuke Mecca, carpet bomb this country or turn some other country into a glass parking lot. I'm not saying you personally, but I'm just adding my denunciation of the Christian hypocrisy the OP mentions.

One question. If a fetus has only two fates for it's future, one is to be aborted, the other to be adopted by a gay couple, which is the lesser of two evils, according to current Christian thinking?

Thanks for the reply...

As pro-choice, I take issue with pro-life advocates who say abortion is okay - in the cases of rape, incest, or the life or long-term health of the woman is in jeopardy. Why are those legitimate reasons to abort more than a woman who lives in poverty and can’t afford a child - or wants to finish her education so that when she’s ready to be a parent, she’ll have a better change to provide for her child or children?

As an atheist, I can’t answer your “two fates” question. That’s a bit like the question: Can God create a rock that even it, he, or she can’t lift?

So what trivial issues do you have with a woman’s right to abort?

Do you live - or are you from a region where Christian pilots (plane or drone pilots) are bombing your village, township, or city?

 

[minnie616]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

I understand that this is currently an unpopular view, however, I believe in a young earth that was created by God 6,000-8,000 years ago. I also believe that while yes, individual cells are alive, they are just that, cells, until they meet to form a zygote. At that point, that embryo is a sacred life, and the carrier of a human life and soul.
I do not believe in evolution, either. I believe evolution is an impossible scientific hypothesis that gets God out of the picture of life and authority.

You believe...

You have a right to your Religious beliefs.

And I have a right to my religious beliefs.

I believe , as does my Christian faith that ensoulment begins with live birth , when the infant takes its first breath which in the Bible is known as the breath of life.

We believe the life of the woman takes priority over the life of the unborn.

We believe the a is a moral agent and may chose to have an abortion or not to.

That is the view of most of the Jewish faith and a large portion of Protestant religions.

The Supreme Court Justices recongized our beliefs in part IX of Roe v Wade.

From Part IX of Roe v Wade

There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live' birth. This was the belief of the Stoics. [Footnote 56] It appears to be the predominant, though not the unanimous, attitude of the Jewish faith. [Footnote 57] It may be taken to represent also the position of a large segment of the Protestant community, insofar as that can be ascertained; organized groups that have taken a formal position on the abortion issue have generally regarded abortion as a matter for the conscience of the individual and her family.

 

[year2late]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

You believe...

You have a right to your Religious beliefs.

And I have a right to my religious beliefs.

I belive , as does my Christian faith that ensoulment begins with live birth , when the infant takes its first breath which in the Bible is known as the breath of life.

We believe the life of the woman takes priority over the life of the unborn.

We believe the a is a moral agent and may chose to have an abortion or not to.

That is the view of most of the Jewish faith and a large portion of Protestant religions.

The Supreme Court Justices recongized our beliefs in part IX of Roe v Wade.

And the cool thing is that Star 29 can act in a way in accordance to his/her beliefs.

As can you or I.

 

[FutureIncoming]

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I'm not a big fan of abortions for light or trivial reasons.

THERE NEVER NEEDS TO BE SUCH A REASON. That's because every unborn human, after reaching the embryo stage, qualifies as an assailant, 4 different ways. It steals biological resources from the woman's body. It dumps toxic biowastes into her body. And it also infuses addictive and mind-altering substances into her body. The only way to make those assaults Stop Right Now is to kill the assailant --an entirely legitimate act of self-defense.

 

[vesper]

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Good article exposing the faux cries for life.



That quote pretty much mirrors arguments I've made in here for years.

Moreover:

When I was young and dumb I was pro choice. And that was at a time when embryos were sold to woman to be nothing but a blob of cells. Well technology advanced it was learned that embryo was not just a blob of cells.

But when I first felt life inside of me with my daughter, I truly became pro-life. I felt little flutters early on and the intensity of the movements increased as the weeks progressed. It is a beautiful experience to feel life inside of you. It was so beautiful that I got pregnant again.

I will let you in on a little secret. When it came to birthing, I wasn't really equip physically to make it easier. Turns out in my genealogy there were woman before me that died in childl birth. With my first one the doctor told me the baby and me would have died if the birth would have occurred 50 years + earlier. The second one my son, there were a lot of anxious moments for him and myself. The delivery room was full of specialists, a three ring circus, waiting for my son to possibly be born blue and specialists ready to attend to me because of heart problems that occurred during labor. But he popped out as pink as could be and the entire delivery room was shouting hallelujah praises while I was thanking the LORD.

Both labors were very hard. Both times I had faithful servants of the LORD on their knees in the waiting room praying for my child and myself. And both times the LORD provided me with two beautiful children who have turned out to be amazing human beings giving back to society while raising 6 amazing grandchildren that encompasses everything wonderful about their parents.

Yes I am pro-life. Yes there is no hypocrisy attached to it.

 

[FutureIncoming]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

... there is no hypocrisy attached to [pro-life].

A STUPID LIE. Simply because abortion opponents are only "pro human life", and all other life can DIE as far as they are concerned. The more you insist that unborn humans must get born, the more you are condemning to extinction all the members of entire species of other living things.

WHEN YOU AND OTHER ABORTION OPPONENTS begin to openly admit promoting the Stupid Prejudice of "pro human life", instead of the Stupid Lie of generic "pro life", then you might qualify as less of a hypocrite. (Instead, you will simply be evil/Prejudiced, a not-much-better position to be in!)

 

[vesper]

Re: Christian Abortion Hypocrisy

A STUPID LIE. Simply because abortion opponents are only "pro human life", and all other life can DIE as far as they are concerned. The more you insist that unborn humans must get born, the more you are condemning to extinction all the members of entire species of other living things.

WHEN YOU AND OTHER ABORTION OPPONENTS begin to openly admit promoting the Stupid Prejudice of "pro human life", instead of the Stupid Lie of generic "pro life", then you might qualify as less of a hypocrite. (Instead, you will simply be evil/Prejudiced, a not-much-better position to be in!)

That is some of the most gobbled goo I have read at DP. But then again on a forum you have no idea who you are talking to....... time to move on......