Christian Abortion Hypocrisy [W: 439]

[calamity]

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Not the correct morality. That alone resides in the purview of God and His Word.

Sure it does :roll:

 

[year2late]

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Because it starts tearing away at the moral fiber in society. Remember the counterculture, sexual, and other "revolutions" that did nothing but tear away at this country back in the 60s?

Not my question. How does lack of organized prayer in school affect YOUR faith?

 

[FutureIncoming]

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Not the correct morality. That alone resides in the purview of God and His Word.

TOO BAD YOU DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS. Simply because the Bible was written by humans, and not by God. Didn't I tell you about a piece of paper I found as litter somewhere one day?

God has inspired me to write: "Thou art a gullible fool!"

Obviously that is that is the Word of God just because it says so, right?

 

[Lursa]

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Not the correct morality. That alone resides in the purview of God and His Word.

really? If a non-religious person believes that theft and rape and murder are immoral, they are wrong?

 

[Lursa]

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Not the correct morality. That alone resides in the purview of God and His Word.

really? If a non-religious person believes that theft and rape and murder are immoral, they are wrong?

Do you have a response to this?

 

[Bassman]

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Do you have a response to this?

Close but no cigar. A person may appear to be "good" to the world, but in God's economy, unless he or she receives Christ and is born again in the Spirit, they cannot enter into the Kingdom of God (Jn. 3:3)

 

[FutureIncoming]

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Close but no cigar. A person may appear to be "good" to the world,

UNIVERSE, not "world". One of the most idiotic things ever blathered by the Religion-Saturated is the notion that humans are the only persons in this vast vast Universe, in which we now know most stars have planets, and that Earth-like planets are fairly common, enough so that the nearest one might be only a dozen or so light-years away. AND THEN, take into account the Fact that right here on Earth we have at least one non-human species that appears to be as smart as humans.

but in God's economy,

EVERYTHING IS FREE. That's a simple logical consequence of Infinite Power, duuuuuhhhhhh. That is, you ARE referring to an entity claimed to Rule the Universe, and so needs to have the capability to simultaneously interact with every intelligent entity in that vast vast Universe full of habitable planets, right?

unless he or she receives Christ and is born again in the Spirit,

NOW YOU ARE BLATHERING IDIOCY AGAIN. That particular idiocy was designed to give social power over everyone else into the hands of just a few (the preachers). Perhaps you need to be reminded of something:
Matthew 18:20 --"For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them." NO PREACHER NEEDED.

A RELATED THING I once read about, years ago (not sure if I can find a link about it): Supposedly certain Far-East mystics have said something like, "If three or more are gathered in my name, I will be there". Not as powerful in the mysticism department as Jesus, right?
REGARDLESS OF THAT CLAIM, NOW CONSIDER GOD: Only one person "gathered" in God's name is needed for God to be there. AGAIN NO PREACHER NEEDED --not to mention that even the preachers claim that God is always there, anyway, so it figures that what really matters is whether or not you are paying attention (are "gathered"). Jesus merely set the example for how to do it right, but Jesus is not actually needed. Which is why I'm quite sure you blathered idiocy, above.

they cannot enter into the Kingdom of God (Jn. 3:3)

HAW! HAW!! HAW!!! More Stupendously Idiotic Blather, simply because it is just more of the same nonsense intended to put social power into the hands of the preachers. They can't guarantee what they promise, any more than a con man can guarantee the rewards he promises.

ONE MORE THING: Think about Abraham and various prophets that existed long before Jesus --according to the idiocy you have blathered, none of them got into the Kingdom of God, right?

 

[Lursa]

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Close but no cigar. A person may appear to be "good" to the world, but in God's economy, unless he or she receives Christ and is born again in the Spirit, they cannot enter into the Kingdom of God (Jn. 3:3)

Completely avoided the question.

Because you are an example of the poorest of Christians...those unable to view the world outside of your dogma.

If a non-religious person believes that theft and rape and murder are immoral, they are wrong?

It's only a tough question if your mind is rigidly encased by blind faith.

 

[Bassman]

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Completely avoided the question.

Because you are an example of the poorest of Christians...those unable to view the world outside of your dogma.



It's only a tough question if your mind is rigidly encased by blind faith.

Faith is all I need. And no, it isn't "blind"

 

[Bassman]

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Completely avoided the question.

Because you are an example of the poorest of Christians...those unable to view the world outside of your dogma.

You mean adhering to the Truth of the Bible, which IS the inerrant Word of God? I'd rather have my heart pure before God than a mind corrupted by every wit and wind of false doctrine.

 

[Lursa]

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Faith is all I need. And no, it isn't "blind"

So you cannot answer the question...and so then it stands that morality does not reside only in nor did it originate only in religion AND a non-religious person can certainly be moral.

Thanks.

 

[Bassman]

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So you cannot answer the question...and so then it stands that morality does not reside only in nor did it originate only in religion AND a non-religious person can certainly be moral.

Thanks.

No, they cannot. David wrote that there is a way that seems right to a man, but the ends thereto leads to his destruction. Wrong again.

 

[Lursa]

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No, they cannot. David wrote that there is a way that seems right to a man, but the ends thereto leads to his destruction. Wrong again.

Still 100% wrong.

You and the Lord are not the final arbiters of who is acting morally if a non-religious person is acting in the same way as a moral Christian.

God is not a hypocrite.

 

[Bassman]

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Still 100% wrong.

You and the Lord are not the final arbiters of who is acting morally if a non-religious person is acting in the same way as a moral Christian.

God is not a hypocrite.

We have His Word. And His Word says that there is none righteous.

 

[Lursa]

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We have His Word. And His Word says that there is none righteous.

So then people that act exactly like Christians but dont accept the Lord and arent Christians....they are immoral?

 

[Bassman]

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So then people that act exactly like Christians but dont accept the Lord and arent Christians....they are immoral?

In God's eyes yes, they are immoral. It doesn't matter how much "good" one does, or how "tolerant and accepting" of sin one is. If you do not accept Christ as Lord, Savior, and Master over your life, you stand eternally condemned already.

 

[Lursa]

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In God's eyes yes, they are immoral. It doesn't matter how much "good" one does, or how "tolerant and accepting" of sin one is. If you do not accept Christ as Lord, Savior, and Master over your life, you stand eternally condemned already.

God is not a hypocrite.

And morality stands outside of religion.

These are facts, incomprehensible to you because of your chosen dogma.

 

[Bassman]

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God is not a hypocrite.

And morality stands outside of religion.

These are facts, incomprehensible to you because of your chosen dogma.

No, true morality does NOT stand outside of God. He wrote the Moral Law. Your problem is you want to keep right on living in sin without reconciliation with God through Christ and try to make it on your own. Then, according to Rev. 20, when you stand before the Great White Throne Judgement (reserved for the unsaved), you will hear these words: "Depart from me, I never knew you" So in God's economy, it's not what you know, it's WHO you know, or should I say, knows you.

 

[Lursa]

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No, true morality does NOT stand outside of God. He wrote the Moral Law. Your problem is you want to keep right on living in sin without reconciliation with God through Christ and try to make it on your own. Then, according to Rev. 20, when you stand before the Great White Throne Judgement (reserved for the unsaved), you will hear these words: "Depart from me, I never knew you" So in God's economy, it's not what you know, it's WHO you know, or should I say, knows you.

I'm a Christian and have accepted Jesus into my heart. I do sin, that's a given.

But that doesnt mean that I'm wrong about other people being just as 'moral' as Chrisitians.

There are plenty of people that act morally that are not religious and many Christians that despite their 'claims' of piety, do NOT.

 

[FutureIncoming]

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No, they cannot.

A STUPID LIE. As explained below

David wrote that there is a way that seems right to a man,

ONE WAY. What about all the other ways that seem right? Some of those ways only benefit self, and that's the most obvious "red flag" that that way is not actually right. But ways that benefit other people, why would they be wrong? A major concern of "ethics" is how to specify rules that benefit the most people, and not the fewest.

but the ends thereto leads to his destruction. Wrong again.

ONE WAY leads to that. But as just mentioned above, why should anyone think that that is the only way? YOU are in-essence saying that there is another way (based on the Bible), but what about a way based on, say, Buddhism? Before you blather idiocy about that, consider something that Douglas Adams wrote in one of his "Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy" stories:

two thousand years ago a man was nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to each other for a change.

HOW IS WHAT JESUS SAID THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE BUDDHA SAID? (And there is still Ethics, too.)

 

[D_NATURED]

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Not the correct morality. That alone resides in the purview of God and His Word.

Which god and which words? Apparently you were absent the day the rest of us heard that there are MANY gods and they all say different ****.

Hey, I understand it's difficult for some people to admit they've been so easily fooled but please cease with the arrogant, presumptuous monotheism, like you know what you're talking about. You are just another human animal, evolving too slowly, flashing the gang signs of a faith that is quickly becoming a vestigial cultural adaptation.

 

[Lursa]

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Which god and which words? Apparently you were absent the day the rest of us heard that there are MANY gods and they all say different ****.

Hey, I understand it's difficult for some people to admit they've been so easily fooled but please cease with the arrogant, presumptuous monotheism, like you know what you're talking about. You are just another human animal, evolving too slowly, flashing the gang signs of a faith that is quickly becoming a vestigial cultural adaptation.

LOL As a Christian I should probably be insulted by that but I often see Christians, writing and speaking in the name of the Lord, in ways that are an embarrassment or even doing direct harm to the religion.

I cannot hold myself up as an example of a good Christian but I do know many. Those that live their religion, not just talk about it. THeir actions speak for them. It's scary to imagine how someone like Bassman would act in the name of (his interpretation of) God if our laws didnt (seemingly) prevent it.

 

[Doppelgangirl]

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I find this really interesting... Could you elaborate a bit, particularly on the bolded & underlined?

You first say:

Not the correct morality. That alone resides in the purview of God and His Word.

But later in the thread, say:

Oh really? Then why the huge influx and forced practice of Islam in public schools? The Obamas are nothing but card carrying Communists who sat under Jeremiah "G** D*** America" Wright. A Black Liberation preacher. Sorry, but their brand of "Christianity" is a farce.

Both statements cannot be true. According to you, God alone gets to judge. I agree... so why do you feel entitled to label someone else's beliefs a farce? Isn't God the only one that can do that?

Which brings me to this:

You mean adhering to the Truth of the Bible, which IS the inerrant Word of God? I'd rather have my heart pure before God than a mind corrupted by every wit and wind of false doctrine.

Depending on metrics, there are between 40 and 30,000 different sects/denominations of Christianity. All base their teachings on the *same* book -- the Bible.

If you can't get that many people to agree on the same book, the idea of "correct morality" existing is preposterous.

Which brings me to the abortion issue... It's between a woman, her doctor, and God. Period.

 

[Lursa]

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I find this really interesting... Could you elaborate a bit, particularly on the bolded & underlined?

You first say:



But later in the thread, say:




Both statements cannot be true. According to you, God alone gets to judge. I agree... so why do you feel entitled to label someone else's beliefs a farce? Isn't God the only one that can do that?

Which brings me to this:



Depending on metrics, there are between 40 and 30,000 different sects/denominations of Christianity. All base their teachings on the *same* book -- the Bible.

If you can't get that many people to agree on the same book, the idea of "correct morality" existing is preposterous.

Which brings me to the abortion issue... It's between a woman, her doctor, and God. Period.

And it all seems to be made up....even his version of interpreting God's Word. As a 'one trick pony,' he as not substantiated any other claims he's made here, such as this:

Oh really? Then why the huge influx and forced practice of Islam in public schools? The Obamas are nothing but card carrying Communists who sat under Jeremiah "G** D*** America" Wright. A Black Liberation preacher. Sorry, but their brand of "Christianity" is a farce.

 

[Celebrity]

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I think that in the scripture we can see the hypocrisy at its finest in Matthew 6:

Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Too many Christians don't realize what I see. One Christian might think that the purpose of her faith is to force it on other people. How can she be forgiven of her transgressions if she is not forgiving of others? Uncompromising Christians are capitalists first and Christians second.