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Child Support Payback

Removable Mind said:
No you didn’t. You’ve posted the same to me previously serval times before I ever made any comments about Male BC.

It was posted vindictively.
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As was yours. You have no clue about my position. You just made it up out of whole cloth
 
vegas giants said:
As was yours. You have no clue about my position. You just made it up out of whole cloth
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Do you want to take another crack at answering my question - without alluding to a totally unrelated topic or information? Or without mentioning civil rights violations?

We get your claims.

Obviously not all agree with how to overcome the current obstacles

But make no mistake....

“We all know what men’s reproductive inequalities are.” EVERYBODY knows! No need to repeat them.

Once again...

Given the known fact that there are no current laws or Constitutional provisions recognized by any federal or state judicial system, which allows men to OPT OUT of financial responsibilities for an unwanted pregnancy...

UNTIL (if or when) THERE ARE US Constitutional changes that end men’s inability to opt out, what can men do TO PREVENT from becoming a parent, which the State will force on men against their will, if a woman refuses to have an abortion?
 
Removable Mind said:
Do you want to take another crack at answering my question - without alluding to a totally unrelated topic or information? Or without mentioning civil rights violations?

We get your claims.

Obviously not all agree with how to overcome the current obstacles

But make no mistake....

“We all know what men’s reproductive inequalities are.” EVERYBODY knows! No need to repeat them.

Once again...

Given the known fact that there are no current laws or Constitutional provisions recognized by any federal or state judicial system, which allows men to OPT OUT of financial responsibilities for an unwanted pregnancy...

UNTIL (if or when) THERE ARE US Constitutional changes that end men’s inability to opt out, what can men do TO PREVENT from becoming a parent, which the State will force on men against their will, if a woman refuses to have an abortion?
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Your question is offensive on the face of it. As I said it is akin to saying to gay people UNTIL (if or when) THERE ARE US Constitutional changes that end discrimination of gays in the workforce what can gays do TO PREVENT from becoming discriminated against, since the State will not protect you against discrimination.
 
vegas giants said:
Your question is offensive on the face of it. As I said it is akin to saying to gay people UNTIL (if or when) THERE ARE US Constitutional changes that end discrimination of gays in the workforce what can gays do TO PREVENT from becoming discriminated against, since the State will not protect you against discrimination.
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So again you refuse to answer a sincere, perfectly legitimate question. Your refusal to answer that very simple, but extremely important question, speaks volumes.
 
Removable Mind said:
So again you refuse to answer a sincere, perfectly legitimate question. Your refusal to answer that very simple, but extremely important question, speaks volumes.
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I refuse to answer a insulting question that suggests that someone who is having their civil rights violated detail how they plan to live with it.
 
vegas giants said:
I refuse to answer a insulting question that suggests that someone who is having their civil rights violated detail how they plan to live with it.
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Uh huh. I believe it’s obvious why you won’t answers. There’s nothing remotely insulting about my question.
 
Given the current laws, what can men do TO PREVENT from becoming a parent, which the State has forced on men against their will?


We can avoid having sex....that's about it unless we get snipped.
 
tecoyah said:
Given the current laws, what can men do TO PREVENT from becoming a parent, which the State has forced on men against their will?


We can avoid having sex....that's about it unless we get snipped.
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Men can vastly decrease the risk of pregnancy if they y use a condom that they bring (with spermicide)and dispose of each and every time they have sex with a woman. It is a fool’s errand to depend on anyone but yourself for contraception.

The days of “she told me she was using contraception “ should have been over decades ago.
 
year2late said:
Men can vastly decrease the risk of pregnancy if they y use a condom that they bring (with spermicide)and dispose of each and every time they have sex with a woman. It is a fool’s errand to depend on anyone but yourself for contraception.

The days of “she told me she was using contraception “ should have been over decades ago.
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Women can vastly decrease the risk of pregnancy if they use birth control. Should we have that discussion when the conservatives make laws to make getting an abortion nearly impossible in some states?
 
vegas giants said:
Women can vastly decrease the risk of pregnancy if they use birth control. Should we have that discussion when the conservatives make laws to make getting an abortion nearly impossible in some states?
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The party that does not want to risk responsibility for pregnancy and or parenthood should use contraception.
 
tecoyah said:
Given the current laws, what can men do TO PREVENT from becoming a parent, which the State has forced on men against their will?


We can avoid having sex....that's about it unless we get snipped.
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I don’t think trying to avoid sex is natural for men or women. There’s 7.5 billion people that pretty much proves that sex is here to stay. Sex is engaged in probably 100’s of times more for pleasure and bonding.

Its a known fact that most pro-choice who won’t have an abortion unless for necessary reasons. They know there’s times when abortions are 100% necessary. Most conceptions are brought to full term.

All males of reproductive age should know that.

The number on thing a boy/man MUST know is what response their sex partner will have if there’s an unexpected or unwanted pregnancy.

A boy/man needs to know what types of birth control his sex partner is using.

A boy/man should use whatever is the most effective male BC.

If a man knows that he never wants children or an “additional child”, then yes, get a reversible vasectomy (just in case he changes his mind.

To do nothing’ as Vegas suggests, is like a soldier going into combat without BP Vest, helmet, or a weapon - waiting for the war to end.
 
Removable Mind said:
I don’t think trying to avoid sex is natural for men or women. There’s 7.5 billion people that pretty much proves that sex is here to stay. Sex is engaged in probably 100’s of times more for pleasure and bonding.

Its a known fact that most pro-choice who won’t have an abortion unless for necessary reasons. They know there’s times when abortions are 100% necessary. Most conceptions are brought to full term.

All males of reproductive age should know that.

The number on thing a boy/man MUST know is what response their sex partner will have if there’s an unexpected or unwanted pregnancy.

A boy/man needs to know what types of birth control his sex partner is using.

A boy/man should use whatever is the most effective male BC.

If a man knows that he never wants children or an “additional child”, then yes, get a reversible vasectomy (just in case he changes his mind.

To do nothing’ as Vegas suggests, is like a soldier going into combat without BP Vest, helmet, or a weapon - waiting for the war to end.
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And to focus on protection only is like send young people to die in a war they never had to be in in the first place. Opt out
 
year2late said:
The party that does not want to risk responsibility for pregnancy and or parenthood should use contraception.
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Yes and if pregnancy occurs both parties should be able to opt out
 
vegas giants said:
And to focus on protection only is like send young people to die in a war they never had to be in in the first place. Opt out
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Amazing how reality works. Try it sometime.

No matter what a human cause is, doing nothing and wishing change will happen, isn’t a sound strategy.

In essence your saying to all reproductive capable males. “Don’t protect yourselves, continue knock up women and be forced to pay child support for 18 years until somebody does something to initiate change.. That is nonsensical thinking.
 
Removable Mind said:
Amazing how reality works. Try it sometime.

No matter what a human cause is, doing nothing and wishing change will happen, isn’t a sound strategy.

In essence your saying to all reproductive capable males. “Don’t protect yourselves, continue knock up women and be forced to pay child support for 18 years until somebody does something to initiate change.. That is nonsensical thinking.
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Yes women. Do not worry about all these silly rules conservatives are putting in place to destroy the availability of abortion. So what that you may have to drive hundreds of miles over several days to get one. You have the power of prevention in your hands. Focus on that. Right?
 
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