Catastrophe of Biblical Magnitude

[Daisy]

That is always happening. Has there ever been a time when everyone on earth was at peace with their neighbour? Not that I know of.

If that's what ya think, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya...:2razz:

 

[JustHanging]

If that's what ya think, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya...:2razz:

I sincerely doubt you can provide evidence of one single time when the entire world was at peace, and nobody was fighting their neighbour. How ridiculous, making a "prophecy" about something that is constantly happening.

EDIT: I stand corrected: From the NY Times

Has the world ever been at peace? Of the past 3,400 years, humans have been entirely at peace for 268 of them, or just 8 percent of recorded history. How many people have died in war? At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century.

So, 92% of the time there is war. The bible "prophesized" something that happens 92% of the time, and you're impressed? Christ, our local weatherman is far more impressive. You should be worshiping him.

 

[Daisy]

I sincerely doubt you can provide evidence of one single time when the entire world was at peace, and nobody was fighting their neighbour. How ridiculous, making a "prophecy" about something that is constantly happening.

EDIT: I stand corrected: From the NY Times

Has the world ever been at peace? Of the past 3,400 years, humans have been entirely at peace for 268 of them, or just 8 percent of recorded history. How many people have died in war? At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century.

So, 92% of the time there is war. The bible "prophesized" something that happens 92% of the time, and you're impressed? Christ, our local weatherman is far more impressive.

And all the other signs? What about them? Worldwide, within one generation...yes, you stand corrected...

 

[JustHanging]

And all the other signs? What about them? Worldwide, within one generation...yes, you stand corrected...

You quoted eathquakes famine and war. Those are all extremely common. Famine must have been a constant somewhere in the world during biblical times, and earthquakes: A quick google gives this, feel free to dispute:

On average, Magnitude 2 and smaller earthquakes occur several hundred times a day world wide. Major earthquakes, greater than magnitude 7, happen more than once per month.

A major earthquake happens more than once a month.


From a bible site: Famine - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

In early times, especially in lands dependent on their own productions, famines were not infrequent. They were generally caused by local irregularities of the rainfall, by destructive hail storms (Ex 9:23,11,32), by ravages of insects (Ex 10:15; Joe 1:4) and by enemies (De 28:51); in a city a famine might be caused by a siege (2Ki 6:25); pestilence often followed in its wake, and the suffering was great.

And that's using quotes from the bible. How ironic.


Every aspect of your claim has been debunked.

 

[JustHanging]

And all the other signs? What about them? Worldwide, within one generation...yes, you stand corrected...

They're all the same. Vague generalizations that could be made to fit almost anything, and other things that people tried to make happen because the bible predicted it. It's no different than me going to a restaurant and prohpesizing that within 30 minutes someone will bring me fish and chips. And then the cook makes me fish and chips.

The bible predicts the destruction of Tyre, and that it will never be rebuilt.

Ezekiel 26:14
I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the LORD have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD.


Here's Tyre...Rebuilt:

So not perfect, and thus not the prophecy of an all knowing god.

 

[Jay59]

The end is not coming.

That's in the passage as well.

 

[Daisy]

You quoted eathquakes famine and war. Those are all extremely common. Famine must have been a constant in biblical times, and earthquakes: A quick google gives this, feel free to dispute:

On average, Magnitude 2 and smaller earthquakes occur several hundred times a day world wide. Major earthquakes, greater than magnitude 7, happen more than once per month.

A major earthquake happens more than once a month.

And World Wars? How about false prophets? Then Luke mentions pestilences/diseases/epidemics...a worldwide preaching work...never before has the truth of God's Word been so prevalent...in more than 240 lands it is being preached...and then we have Paul's words about the overall disposition of the human race...it's like reading today's newspaper...

"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away." 2 Timothy 3:1-5

But you keep on closing a blind eye..."and suddenly that day be instantly upon you" Luke 21:34

 

[JustHanging]

And World Wars?

AFAIK, there has never been a "World War" when the entire world was at war. Certainly not WWI and WWII, there were neutral countries both wars. "World War" is just a convenient label, not a statement of fact that all nations were engaged in a war.

How about false prophets?

A dime a dozen. Vague predictions of things likely to happen. Other predictions such as Tyre will never be rebuilt that were just plain wrong. The bible is a perfect example of false prophecy.

Then Luke mentions pestilences/diseases/epidemics...

Again, in biblical time tell when there wasn't pestilence, disease, and epidemics somewhere around the Mediterranean. Swarms of locusts are relatively common, and in biblical days if they hit somewhere, that somewhere was in deep doggy doodoo. They are so common there is one right now:

Swarms of hungry locusts bring potential for famine during coronavirus - National | Globalnews.ca
In one day, locusts can eat the same amount as 35,000 people. They are able to travel up to 150 kilometres in a day in groups as large as 250 kilometres wide.

And guess what comes with famine? Pestilence and disease.

Look, you can think these "prophecies" are amazing. I've demonstrated they are all common place occurences. And the bible even gets it wrong with Tyre, so unless your God was lying, you have to concede he is not omniscient.

 

[Daisy]

AFAIK, there has never been a "World War" when the entire world was at war. Certainly not WWI and WWII, there were neutral countries both wars. "World War" is just a convenient label, not a statement of fact that all nations were engaged in a war.



A dime a dozen. Vague predictions of things likely to happen. Other predictions such as Tyre will never be rebuilt that were just plain wrong. The bible is a perfect example of false prophecy.



Again, in biblical time tell when there wasn't pestilence, disease, and epidemics somewhere around the Mediterranean. Swarms of locusts are relatively common, and in biblical days if they hit somewhere, that somewhere was in deep doggy doodoo. They are so common there is one right now:

Swarms of hungry locusts bring potential for famine during coronavirus - National | Globalnews.ca
In one day, locusts can eat the same amount as 35,000 people. They are able to travel up to 150 kilometres in a day in groups as large as 250 kilometres wide.

And guess what comes with famine? Pestilence and disease.

a worldwide preaching work...never before has the truth of God's Word been so prevalent...in more than 240 lands it is being preached...and then we have Paul's words about the overall disposition of the human race...it's like reading today's newspaper...

"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away." 2 Timothy 3:1-5

But you keep on closing a blind eye..."and suddenly that day be instantly upon you" Luke 21:34

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Not always...

 

[JustHanging]

"But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away." 2 Timothy 3:1-5

When haven't men been lovers of themselves? Lovers of money? Boastful? Haughty? Blasphemers? Disobedient to parents? LOL, you're describing mankind. The bible itself is full of people behaving like this.

Now if they had predicted that men would NOT love money, they would NOT be boastful, they would NOT be disobedient to parents, THAT would be an amazing prophecy.

 

[JustHanging]

Not always...

That's no answer. I've debunked every one of your so called "prophecies". War, disease, famine, earthquakes, floods, pestilence, they are all common place occurrences, some much more so in biblical times.

 

[Daisy]

That's no answer. I've debunked every one of your so called "prophecies".

No, you have not...you choose to deny the inevitable...

 

[JustHanging]

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Thanks Elvira, that was a good clean discussion. Sleep well.

 

[Daisy]

Thanks Elvira, that was a good clean discussion. Sleep well.

You, too...good night...

 

[devildavid]

2+2...

...Does not equal 5, as you seem to think it does.

 

[tosca1]

Serious question here - this is NOT rhetorical:

When in recorded history has the above NOT been occuring?

What's that? Never, you say?

Serious questions here - they're not rhetorical:

Who sez they have not occurred before?

Did you actually read the OP? WHAT'S THAT? No, you say? :lol: Go and read it!


And while you're at it, make sure you cast your eyes on the given quote from an article. Here:

Like the deeper Maunder and Spörer Minimums preceding it, the Dalton brought on a period of lower-than-average global temperatures.

The Year Without a Summer also occurred during the Dalton Minimum, in 1816.
It was caused by a combination of already low temperatures plus the aftereffects of the second largest volcanic eruption in 2000 years: Mount Tambora’s VEI 7 on April 10, 1815.

Very few crops were actually harvested, and of those that were, the yields were very poor. In turn, food and grain prices skyrocketed

And the story was the same across the world:

NASA Predicts Next Solar Cycle will be Lowest in 200 Years (Dalton Minimum Levels) + the Implications - Electroverse



Boy, a lot of nervous nellies here have been knee-jerking over this OP! :lol: Somebody even said, the end is not coming!

the seven seals are spiritual dude

Did I say it'll be the coming of the seven seals? Here's my opening line....

Much like what is described in the Bible ......might be coming.

 

[tosca1]

You don't understand the purpose of these so-called prophecies. They were never meant to be predictions of future events. They were always meant as warnings to those in the present of what may befall them if they do not change their ways. They are just a form of religious preaching using scare tactics.

:roll:

You don't understand the meaning of WARNING. A warning tells of an impending danger, or hardship.


Prophecies are mostly warnings though not necessarily all of them are - after all didn't the apostles and prophets prophesied about
Heaven and the New Kingdom?


Not all prophecies cast gloom and doom. One particular prophecy - the most important of all - gives...... HOPE!



The prophecy about a Saviour coming to redeem mankind, is not a warning!


It prophesy about ........................redemption, and paradise regained!


That falls in the category of.................. GOOD NEWS!

 

[devildavid]

:roll:

You don't understand the meaning of WARNING. A warning tells of an impending danger, or hardship.


Prophecies are mostly warnings though not necessarily all of them are - after all didn't the apostles and prophets prophesied about
Heaven and the New Kingdom?


Not all prophecies cast gloom and doom. One particular prophecy - the most important of all - gives...... HOPE!



The prophecy about a Saviour coming to redeem mankind, is not a warning!


It prophesy about ........................redemption, and paradise regained!


That falls in the category of.................. GOOD NEWS!

Yes, there are prophecies of both good and bad. But the bottom line is that prophecies are not predictions. Also, some prophecies has been interpreted to fit beliefs they were not even intended for. Christianity has shoehorned Jewish prophecies to fit their religion.

 

[zyzygy]

Why the red crayon? We are grown-ups here.

 

[TypicalRussian]

Serious questions here - they're not rhetorical:

Who sez they have not occurred before?

Did you actually read the OP? WHAT'S THAT? No, you say? :lol: Go and read it!


And while you're at it, make sure you cast your eyes on the given quote from an article. Here:



NASA Predicts Next Solar Cycle will be Lowest in 200 Years (Dalton Minimum Levels) + the Implications - Electroverse



Boy, a lot of nervous nellies here have been knee-jerking over this OP! :lol: Somebody even said, the end is not coming!







Did I say it'll be the coming of the seven seals? Here's my opening line....

Much like what is described in the Bible ......might be coming.

the end times is when people do not abide by the seven holy virtues

 

[TypicalRussian]

There are more prophecies in the bible than this one. Check out the OT. It is chock full of them.

and they were right david

 

[HIP56948]

With all respect, "Better call Saul" is more insightful than the entire Bible.

 

[Daisy]

With all respect, "Better call Saul" is more insightful than the entire Bible.

For the blind, that is true...

 

[Rumpelstil]

I predict it will rain in various places! And there will be landslides in other places! Woohoo, I'm a biblical prophet!

Exactly!

And what is more: Tomorrow the weather may be different from today. Or then again, it may be the same.

Anyway - both is a sign of the second coming of Jesus Christ, when those mega-pious Bible Christians will go to heaven and eerybody else will go to hell!
Or then again: Maybe it will be the other way round? :lamo

 

[JustHanging]

Anyway - both is a sign of the second coming of Jesus Christ, when those mega-pious Bible Christians will go to heaven and eerybody else will go to hell!

I can have respect for Christians like @Elvira who don't threaten me with eternal torture. I can't for the ones who do, it's a deal breaker.