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Car rammer self defense James Alex Fields Jr

Wilbur Mercer said:
You can see him driving at a reasonable speed, as people throw things at his car and rush into the street as he passes.
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"Reasonable speed." If it was a reasonable speed then he wouldn't have crashed, would he? The only thing I saw thrown at him was a protest sign, and that was a split second before he crashed.
 
Geoist said:
When you look at one of the two videos you don't see any mobs except the one he drove 1-2 blocks to run into. Do you have evidence for this "violent mob" surrounding his car?
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I have to recant. Not sure where the OP Got his information but the guy is up in several murder charges and is
Facing an FBI inquiry as well.

He has already been charged.

Yep saw a video from another angle. He is going to jail for sure that was no accident.
 
ludin said:
I have to recant. Not sure where the OP Got his information but the guy is up in several murder charges and is
Facing an FBI inquiry as well.

He has already been charged.
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Well, it is a Volsrock OP. :lol:
 
Wilbur Mercer said:
You can see him driving at a reasonable speed, as people throw things at his car and rush into the street as he passes. He most likely expected the people in front of him to get out of the way, as many actually did, not realizing the size and density of the crowd.

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Dude you are wrong. He was speeding down the street and he rammed into that crowd at full speed.
No one was throwing anything at his car when he was traveling down that street as no one could move that fast.
 
Wow, in the name of politics people excusing Putin, and now neo-Nazis. IDK if politics can go any lower in this country.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
True. I don't think they were doing OSUT back when I went through in the 90's. And even now isn't it only for 11B or is it all combat MOS's?

But even with OSUT, when you figure in all the processing time, 4 months is cutting it close. If he did graduate then that means he likely got discharged once he got to his unit, and at that point getting discharged is no easy thing. It can take months to kick someone out. So right now my money is on him not graduating, but I haven't a clue what the reason was. Medical, PT failure, failure to adapt or whatever.
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I had OSUT as a 13E 30+ years ago.

Anyhow: James Fields flunked out of basic Army training, denied bail in Charlottesville case | Fox News

He apparently didn't graduate Basic.
 
CriticalThought said:
The photo you keep citing that showed his brake lights was taken before he hit the crowd, and it is clear he sped up from the video after he hits the crowd and it shows no brake lights until right before he throws it into reverse. You aren't even clear on what the videos show and you have the balls to accuse others of not paying attention? Pathetic.
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If he hit the breaks, it might have been at the last second when he realized there was a stopped car in front of the crowd of people he was mowing down. That would actually make sense because I am sure he had no intention of smashing his car.
 
Serenity said:
Yeah it's messed up. Disgraceful really. Still, at least he's consistent. I'd expect nothing else from him. His posting style is more than proof of that.
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And yet the post got likes, including from the "I don't care, they deserved it" guy.
 
calamity said:
If he hit the breaks, it might have been at the last second when he realized there was a stopped car in front of the crowd of people he was mowing down. That would actually make sense because I am sure he had no intention of smashing his car.
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He did not hit a stopped car

There were two cars making their way through the crowd slowly perhaps at 2-3 mph (estimate) The charger comes in and hits the one in back. With the crowd around the cars he would never have seen the two cars moving slowly. It looks like he tapped his breaks before getting into the crowd. As he might have had second thoughts, but then took his foot off the brake. I am not a crash expert by far, but with the damage done to his car I would expect his speed to be around 30 mph when he hit the car (hard to estimate as the other car was going in the same direction so damage would be less.


I am sure that if he did not hit the car, he would have barreled right through the crowd without stopping.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
He did not hit a stopped car

There were two cars making their way through the crowd slowly perhaps at 2-3 mph (estimate) The charger comes in and hits the one in back. With the crowd around the cars he would never have seen the two cars moving slowly. It looks like he tapped his breaks before getting into the crowd. As he might have had second thoughts, but then took his foot off the brake. I am not a crash expert by far, but with the damage done to his car I would expect his speed to be around 30 mph when he hit the car (hard to estimate as the other car was going in the same direction so damage would be less.


I am sure that if he did not hit the car, he would have barreled right through the crowd without stopping.
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I'm sure the crash experts will pin all the details down. But, I agree, the damage looks like about 30 mph. Much faster than that, the front of his car would have completely crunched.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
He did not hit a stopped car

There were two cars making their way through the crowd slowly perhaps at 2-3 mph (estimate) The charger comes in and hits the one in back. With the crowd around the cars he would never have seen the two cars moving slowly. It looks like he tapped his breaks before getting into the crowd. As he might have had second thoughts, but then took his foot off the brake. I am not a crash expert by far, but with the damage done to his car I would expect his speed to be around 30 mph when he hit the car (hard to estimate as the other car was going in the same direction so damage would be less.


I am sure that if he did not hit the car, he would have barreled right through the crowd without stopping.
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The cars were literally parked.
 
Wilbur Mercer said:
'Murderer' denotes intent. Evidence directly contradicts that assumption.

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What evidence? The video clearly shows him coming from a wide open area of retreat and passing two avenues of retreat to directly and intentionally hit people with an object that is well known to kill. There is no doubt he had intent. He'll probably get 1st degree murder because he had to fore thought to get in his car, position the car and then accelerate towards the crowd.
 
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