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California Considers $1,000 Fine for Waiters Offering Unsolicited Plastic Straws

trixare4kids said:
Seriously, are you OK???

From the original article/original post...https://reason.com/blog/2018/01/25/california-bill-would-criminalize-restau

Calderon, the Democratic majority leader in California's lower house, has introduced a bill to stop sit-down restaurants from offering customers straws with their beverages unless they specifically request one. Under Calderon's law, a waiter who serves a drink with an unrequested straw in it would face up to 6 months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.
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That is the article writer's, which is biased, interpretation of the bill, which was highly inaccurate. The original bill is right there in the link, with the red parts being what was in it and amended. I don't see how anyone can honestly read that as the server getting fined rather than the establishment itself, since it mentions the establishment several times as being the offender there.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I want my plastic straw and I don't need or want some stinking mother ****ing asshole in government to tell ME otherwise. I am sick tired of all the ****ing do gooding nanny mother ****ers seeking to make my life so-called "better". STOP HELPING ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Note* Miss Nuke this rant is not directed at you, but at the world in general. I am just really sick and tired of uninformed nanny do-gooders thinking they are helping me when that is furthest from the truth in many if not most cases. The numbers these morons have been spouting about straws was made up by a 9-year-old kid. No real science involved whatsoever.
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It isn't about helping you. It is about helping the environment. Grow up. I don't care if it is only a million straws a day (which is easily enough and a reasonable number to be seen), it is still bad. Every little bit helps. Just ask for a stupid straw. It isn't that hard to do.
 
Harshaw said:
California Considers $1,000 Fine for Waiters Offering Unsolicited Plastic Straws - Hit & Run : Reason.com



This is based on an oft-cited number of Americans using 500 million plastic straws per day.

That number, however, comes from a survey done by a 9-year-old:



Now, the story has been updated:



But the fines are currently part of the bill, and the bill is still based on a number derived by a 9-year-old.
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Hey. If that's what the democratic republic of Caifornicate wants, then OK...
 
trixare4kids said:
You know what?... He's a Californian like me. I'm gonna' assume he loves this state like I do, but we don't want to be forced out of here by nanny do gooder type legislators imposing more in the way of over-regulating and higher taxes.
So, imo, his venting is more than just and right on!
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Oh poor you. Having to actually ask for a straw when you sit down at a restaurant to eat (which many restaurants actually already make you do) rather than just be handed one from the start.
 
This is alive again? Has the first $1,000 fine been handed out?
 
Mr Person said:
This is alive again? Has the first $1,000 fine been handed out?
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The law states that the maximum amount a business can be fined annually is $300. The fine for each infraction (which is a max per day) is $25.
 
roguenuke said:
The law states that the maximum amount a business can be fined annually is $300. The fine for each infraction (which is a max per day) is $25.
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Oh, I know the law isn't as the OP said. I' pointed that out when this thread was newish......many pages back. No idea where.



Tongue-in-cheek post
 
roguenuke said:
Oh poor you. Having to actually ask for a straw when you sit down at a restaurant to eat (which many restaurants actually already make you do) rather than just be handed one from the start.
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I don't care about asking for a plastic straw so long as the restaurant is able to legally give me one. Banning them is going too far. I hate do-gooders. They are the smiley face version of Nazi's.
 
You should note when the state has a law that says they can fine someone $1000 for handing someone else a straw.

Regardless what they tell you today about when they will use it.

The next guy(s) might have different ideas for one thing.

Plus there is all that lying that people do now.

WE USED TO BE BETTER
 
PirateMk1 said:
I don't care about asking for a plastic straw so long as the restaurant is able to legally give me one. Banning them is going too far. I hate do-gooders. They are the smiley face version of Nazi's.
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California did not ban straws. Hell, I think Seattle actually got closer to banning straws than California did, since they actually did it.

http://www.seattle.gov/util/cs/groups/public/@spu/@foodyard/documents/webcontent/1_074388.pdf

Personally, I am fine with that since there are alternatives.

Funny how you don't see conservatives having near as much of a fit about Alabama banning PGDs throughout their state, yet banning straws is an issue.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/against-all-reason-alabama-outlaws-sex-toys/

You know because apparently to some morals are far more important than our actual environment.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
You should note when the state has a law that says they can fine someone $1000 for handing someone else a straw.

Regardless what they tell you today about when they will use it.

The next guy(s) might have different ideas for one thing.

Plus there is all that lying that people do now.

WE USED TO BE BETTER
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That is not what the law says. Please read the rest of the thread which provides a link to the current law and the restrictions on how much a business can be fined for providing a straw unasked for.
 
roguenuke said:
California did not ban straws. Hell, I think Seattle actually got closer to banning straws than California did, since they actually did it.

http://www.seattle.gov/util/cs/groups/public/@spu/@foodyard/documents/webcontent/1_074388.pdf

Personally, I am fine with that since there are alternatives.

Funny how you don't see conservatives having near as much of a fit about Alabama banning PGDs throughout their state, yet banning straws is an issue.

https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2014/04/05/against-all-reason-alabama-outlaws-sex-toys/

You know because apparently to some morals are far more important than our actual environment.
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I had no idea someone was banning a PDG whatever the **** that is. I don't support the banning of anything. I am not fine with the banning of straws or anything else for that matter. The world keeps their nose out of my business and we get along fabulously. They don't we gonna have problems.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I had no idea someone was banning a PDG whatever the **** that is. I don't support the banning of anything. I am not fine with the banning of straws or anything else for that matter. The world keeps their nose out of my business and we get along fabulously. They don't we gonna have problems.
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So selling nuclear weapons to anyone is fine? Guns to anyone is fine? DDT is perfectly acceptable to be sold?

The entire point is that straws are being shown to be a problem. So some places are restricting their sale, availability, use. Are you going to purposely use more straws just to spite them? That seems sort of petty, don't you think?

And a PGD is a Personal Gratification device, which was easily garnered through context and the actual link I posted.
 
danielpalos said:
Extracting raw material costs money as well. We should be better at recycling. All waste being picked up should be sorted and recycled.
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By whom and how and into what? There has to be end products that people will buy. They can't be too expensive, or few will buy them. This is the part no one talks about. People put their stuff where they should and assume it's all good, but over the years there have been many exposes about how most of it ends up in landfills or the ocean regardless because the process is not as simple as we think.
 
PS, out of all the plastics, why are straws all of a sudden the huge target?

I hate these Godforsaken plastic grocery bags and always have. Save the trees, they said. No more paper bags.
 
Sasser said:
PS, out of all the plastics, why are straws all of a sudden the huge target?

I hate these Godforsaken plastic grocery bags and always have. Save the trees, they said. No more paper bags.
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Actually, both places that are instituting these particular straw restrictions have already put into place laws that either restrict or discourage plastic bag use.

It's been a year since California banned single-use plastic bags. The world didn't end

Plastic Bag Ban — Seattle Public Utilities

And Seattle went further, even before now, and banned most plastic things that could be provided by a restaurant years ago, and straws and utensils were simply exceptions that have since been changed.
 
Portland Oregon has stopped the usage of the plastic bags in stores, and we have gone back to paper. This was some years back.
 
roguenuke said:
Actually, both places that are instituting these particular straw restrictions have already put into place laws that either restrict or discourage plastic bag use.

It's been a year since California banned single-use plastic bags. The world didn't end

Plastic Bag Ban — Seattle Public Utilities

And Seattle went further, even before now, and banned most plastic things that could be provided by a restaurant years ago, and straws and utensils were simply exceptions that have since been changed.
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Thank you for that info, but I am still curious about straws because they seem to be public enemy #1 everywhere now.
 
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