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California Considers $1,000 Fine for Waiters Offering Unsolicited Plastic Straws

Junk bonds not junk laws!

What happened to Individual Liberty and natural rights?

We should have the finest recycling infrastructure on the planet; tons of litter could be recycled and repurposed.

We could be defraying the expense of State government, with better recyling capability.
 
trixare4kids said:
Why is levying a fee imposed on the consumer always the CA. Democrat's answer to everything? Why does banning something like a plastic straw end up costing the consumer money out of their own pocket?
Banning plastic straws will be the same as banning single use plastic bags. Stores now charge 10 cents for a reusable plastic bag because one use plastic bags have been banned in the state of CA. Who reaps the profits for the reusable bags? Environmental groups? Um, no...
Who then? The merchant! Environmental groups say this is okay though because people will reuse their bags or cutting down on the numbers of one time use plastic bags. I guess I am okay with the banning of one time use plastic bags and plastic straws if it cuts down on clogging streams and creeks, etc., but what I do object to is my having to pay more to use a reusable bag or requesting a straw.
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How is a fine that they have to pay if they do it (and is capped at $300 annually) end up being a fee passed onto consumers? Are the restaurants going to lie and claim they unfairly got fined and now they are charging a penny more per drink to make up for that annual loss, despite the fact that by not providing a straw unless requested, they would be saving money anyway?
 
roguenuke said:
How is a fine that they have to pay if they do it (and is capped at $300 annually) end up being a fee passed onto consumers? Are the restaurants going to lie and claim they unfairly got fined and now they are charging a penny more per drink to make up for that annual loss, despite the fact that by not providing a straw unless requested, they would be saving money anyway?
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I never implied the fee they will be charging a waiter be passed onto the consumer but the article in the O/P said paper straws will cost 8 times as much as a paper straw if restaurateurs decide to offer them as a replacement for a plastic straw. So there's one way the cost will be passed onto the consumer. They'll simply add it to the cost of the products they sell.

My take is that the restaurants aren't going to be fined for offering an unrequested straw, the server is. At least that's what the original article said.
 
trixare4kids said:
I never implied the fee they will be charging a waiter be passed onto the consumer but the article in the O/P said paper straws will cost 8 times as much as a paper straw if restaurateurs decide to offer them as a replacement for a plastic straw. So there's one way the cost will be passed onto the consumer. They'll simply add it to the cost of the products they sell.

My take is that the restaurants aren't going to be fined for offering an unrequested straw, the server is. At least that's what the original article said.
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And they likely would not need as many, whether they offer plastic or paper or other alternative straws for customers to request. No restaurant has to offer straws (sit down types). Many even here in NC have you request one, to save them money.

And your take is wrong. It is the restaurant that is fined if a server does it, not the server. The original article was from January, and the law was amended.
 
roguenuke said:
And they likely would not need as many, whether they offer plastic or paper or other alternative straws for customers to request. No restaurant has to offer straws (sit down types). Many even here in NC have you request one, to save them money.

And your take is wrong. It is the restaurant that is fined if a server does it, not the server. The original article was from January, and the law was amended.
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My take is wrong? I live here... you don't. Shouldn't you be telling the original poster that his article is outdated? I post on what I read in the O/P.

ETA: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180AB1884 Craziness. The original bill has been amended five times.

This bill would prohibit a food facility, full-service restaurant, as specified, where food may be consumed on the premises, from providing single-use plastic straws, as defined, to consumers unless requested by the consumer. The bill would specify that the first and 2nd violations of these provisions would result in a warning notice of violation and any subsequent violation would be an infraction punishable by a fine of $25 for each day the food facility full-service restaurant is in violation, but not to exceed an annual total of $300. The provisions would be enforced by the same officers authorized to enforce the California Retail Food Code. By creating a new crime and imposing additional enforcement duties on local health agencies, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.
 
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trixare4kids said:
My take is wrong? I live here... you don't. Shouldn't you be telling the original poster that his article is outdated? I post on what I read in the O/P.
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Then read further rather than just the beginning. I posted an updated article on here within the last couple of days. It is on you if you cannot look beyond a single post.
 
roguenuke said:
Then read further rather than just the beginning. I posted an updated article on here within the last couple of days. It is on you if you cannot look beyond a single post.
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Gimme a break. I responded ONLY to the first post. I am not obligated to read every single post of a thread before I decide to post a response.
That's your silly rule, not mine.

And I did ETA my last post, not that you would care about the important things.
 
Nap said:
If you hadn't said the state in the title I would have likely thought this was an attempt at political satire. Considering it is California it isn't shocking in the least.
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Only in CA... The lawmaker who wrote this original bill, (punishing a server) should have been recalled.
 
trixare4kids said:
Only in CA... The lawmaker who wrote this original bill, (punishing a server) should have been recalled.
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I don't see where the original bill said specifically that the server would be punished. That seems to be an assumption that was made by those reading it and disapproving of the bill.
 
trixare4kids said:
Gimme a break. I responded ONLY to the first post. I am not obligated to read every single post of a thread before I decide to post a response.
That's your silly rule, not mine.

And I did ETA my last post, not that you would care about the important things.
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And you went in uninformed about updated info. You aren't obligated to do it, but it makes your arguments/comments come off better if you have the updated info than going off of something 8 months old.
 
roguenuke said:
I don't see where the original bill said specifically that the server would be punished. That seems to be an assumption that was made by those reading it and disapproving of the bill.
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Seriously, are you OK???

From the original article/original post...https://reason.com/blog/2018/01/25/california-bill-would-criminalize-restau

Calderon, the Democratic majority leader in California's lower house, has introduced a bill to stop sit-down restaurants from offering customers straws with their beverages unless they specifically request one. Under Calderon's law, a waiter who serves a drink with an unrequested straw in it would face up to 6 months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.
 
roguenuke said:
There are plenty of other alternatives to plastic straws besides paper straws.

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/9449/biodegradable-compostable-straws.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwhqXbBRAREiwAucoo-xfF2DkAgzkVrAH7MVCaXg40PSttFdEzLmo9MuCqSyN326fnFrFTHxoCZ7sQAvD_BwE

Or given that this law applies to sit down restaurants, which mainly offer plastic/glass cups to drink out of, you could simply drink from the glass without a straw.
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I want my plastic straw and I don't need or want some stinking mother ****ing asshole in government to tell ME otherwise. I am sick tired of all the ****ing do gooding nanny mother ****ers seeking to make my life so-called "better". STOP HELPING ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Note* Miss Nuke this rant is not directed at you, but at the world in general. I am just really sick and tired of uninformed nanny do-gooders thinking they are helping me when that is furthest from the truth in many if not most cases. The numbers these morons have been spouting about straws was made up by a 9-year-old kid. No real science involved whatsoever.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I want my plastic straw and I don't need or want some stinking mother ****ing asshole in government to ME otherwise. I am sick tired of all the ****ing do gooding nanny mother ****ers seeking to make my life so-called "better". STOP HELPING ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Note* Miss Nuke this rant is not directed at you, but at the world in general. I am just really sick and tired of uninformed nanny do-gooders thinking they are helping me when that is furthest from the truth in many if not most cases. The numbers these morons have been spouting about straws was made up by a 9-year-old kid. No real science involved whatsoever.
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One would have to live in CA., like you and me, to understand this simple concept.
Because of all this "well meaning" patriarchal gov. regulation on businesses, it's forcing people to leave this state.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I want my plastic straw and I don't need or want some stinking mother ****ing asshole in government to tell ME otherwise. I am sick tired of all the ****ing do gooding nanny mother ****ers seeking to make my life so-called "better". STOP HELPING ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Note* Miss Nuke this rant is not directed at you, but at the world in general. I am just really sick and tired of uninformed nanny do-gooders thinking they are helping me when that is furthest from the truth in many if not most cases. The numbers these morons have been spouting about straws was made up by a 9-year-old kid. No real science involved whatsoever.
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lol....speaking of 9 year old kids, you feel better bud? :lol:
 
OlNate said:
lol....speaking of 9 year old kids, you feel better bud? :lol:
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You know what?... He's a Californian like me. I'm gonna' assume he loves this state like I do, but we don't want to be forced out of here by nanny do gooder type legislators imposing more in the way of over-regulating and higher taxes.
So, imo, his venting is more than just and right on!
 
trixare4kids said:
You know what?... He's a Californian like me. I'm gonna' assume he loves this state like I do, but we don't want to be forced out of here by nanny do gooder type legislators imposing more in the way of over-regulating and higher taxes.
So, imo, his venting is more than just and right on!
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lmao...you're going to get forced out over straws?? Yikes... There must be some kind of crazy conservative straw culture over there I'm not aware of... Let me know what it is, I'll do my best to support whatever oppression you are facing. Regarding straws. :lol:
 
OlNate said:
lmao...you're going to get forced out over straws?? Yikes... There must be some kind of crazy conservative straw culture over there I'm not aware of... Let me know what it is, I'll do my best to support whatever oppression you are facing. Regarding straws. :lol:
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No, I didn't write that.
Want to try reading what I actually wrote?
 
PirateMk1 said:
Thank you for asking. Yes actually. Much better.
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Haha...good, bud. Gotta ex-sore-siiiiiiiiize the demons!! ;)

Calm down Trix for me, will ya? She seems to think I'm being all serious and filthy leftist with you... :lol:
 
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