Bowe Bergdahl pleads guilty to desertion

[Arjay81]

Nobody had any idea why he was gone until afterwards. He could've been kidnapped against his will. Regardless of the reason, it is our responsibility to recover our soldiers from enemy hands. Any crimes they committed will then be prosecuted, as they have been. You're basically demanding we abandon POWs in enemy hands and just assume they're all deserters.



Yes, that's exactly what we're saying. Are you saying that the president has a mind reading device capable of world wide interrogation of anyone on the planet? Do you have evidence of this device or evidence that he could have or did know?

He left his weapon and a note on his bunk stating what he intended to do. Nobody knew? Garbage.

 

[Arjay81]

Whatever his personal opinion of the case was at the time is irrelevant. In our country one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

There is also a law about a speedy trial, which was obstructed by the Obama administration. Can't claim one law is more important than another one that directly applies.

 

[Arjay81]

LOL, what intelligence do you think our intelligence officers can gather about what's going on in the head of a missing soldier in Afghanistan? Do you think they swept the area for finger prints and semen and determined it was definitely desertion? You must watch too much CSI.

Do you have actual access to the intelligence operations that took place in this case? Perhaps read the reports, or are you just assuming facts not in evidence?

You must be listening to the DNC to much.

 

[MSgt]

He left his weapon and a note on his bunk stating what he intended to do. Nobody knew? Garbage.

Well, the Pentagon investigation concluded back in 2010 that he voluntarily walked away. It was known well before his "liberation" what he did. I don't understand why people insist that the whole thing was shrouded in mystery.

 

[Arjay81]

I'm attempting to establish the timeline because I don't remember the timeline. If you're unable to provide that timeline, your argument is weak.

By your own admission to lacking knowledge of the timeline makes your argument invalid.

 

[Arjay81]

So you're admitting you have absolutely no evidence of any kind that anyone knew his motives before the trade? How weak of a position must you have that you have absolutely nothing to back it up?

You seem to delight in ignoring the testimony of his squad mates. A little to uncomfortable for you?

 

[Arjay81]

And which of these guys did he turn to and say "I'm deserting" before he left? Give us a name and be specific.



So no evidence of any kind then? And I'm glad you accept Obama didn't know, because he couldn't. Progress.

Fist, prove that he never told anyone of his plans. You can't and you know it.

Second, you appear to claim to have access to the highest level of military intelligence to claim that Obama could not know. If he acted without fore knowledge, that is terrifying.

If he acted with prior knowledge, that is treason on the part of Obama.

Either way, not good for your hero.

 

[Arjay81]

Of all the facts at the time? Very possibly.

You really want to claim that you support a decision that was made without considering the consequences in a war? That is the type of leader you admire?

 

[Arjay81]

Only till Trump succeeds in kicking everyone off their ACA health insurance.

Rather a reach here, considering it has zero to do with this topic.

That is called hijacking a thread and I am pretty sure it is against the rules.

 

[Arjay81]

Did he have anything to do with him leaving his post?

He was commander in chief and thus set the policies that Bergdahl claims drove him to his action. So yes, he had a great dal to do with the desertion.

 

[Arjay81]

Sorry, no backpedaling on your part here.

I cant 'know' what was in Obama's head anymore than I knew what was in Bergdahl's until he was interrogated.

Obama made the decision for the trade. There were parents getting their son back after torture and claims of mental illness. There was no conviction of guilt at the time. I'd guess we are not in the business of causing family additional distress without cause. But I dont know what was in his head. Apparently you think you can read his mind and it was completely malicious :roll:

I never made any claims as to Obama's motivation for a press conference, I only stated my opinion on what he couldnt have known at the time.

By your own standards and statement, you cannot know that Bergdahl was tortured or had a mental illness. You can know that he walked away from his duties without permission, desertion.

You can't have both sides of the argument to supplement your incorrect ideals.

 

[Arjay81]

Which we didn't know until after. I'll repeat my question you ignored:

I'm an Afghan veteran. If me or any of my fellow soldiers had been kidnapped by the Taliban would you advocate leaving us to die? How could you differentiate between him and one of us? You have no respect for our laws or our men in uniform. We do not sentence American POWs to death based on your hunches.

He left a note and his weapon on his bunk. Something you seem to wish to ignore.

 

[Arjay81]

What facts were known before he was recovered? Please be specific. We do not sentence American POWs to death based on your unsubstantiated hunches.

Obama and his administration made sure to hide any facts that would make him look bad and classified them. We do not have access to these facts that you demand and neither do you. We have to deal with the public perception and the fact that this traitor was shielded from inquiry for the entirety of Obamas reign of terror.

As it turns out, since the trial, He was not a POW but an admitted traitor.

 

[Arjay81]

And when the ***** grabber leads us into WW3 you will be fine with that?

Off topic, but I am sorry if he grabbed you.

 

[bearpoker]

Rather a reach here, considering it has zero to do with this topic.

That is called hijacking a thread and I am pretty sure it is against the rules.

We got off topic when you brought up Obama. You're the one who claims he's relevant to this discussion.

 

[bearpoker]

Obama and his administration made sure to hide any facts that would make him look bad and classified them. We do not have access to these facts that you demand and neither do you. We have to deal with the public perception and the fact that this traitor was shielded from inquiry for the entirety of Obamas reign of terror.

As it turns out, since the trial, He was not a POW but an admitted traitor.

Hyperbolic much?

 

[Bassman]

I'm not sure what Obama did wrong on this issue. The Army would have proceeded to send teams out to look for him and I think (not sure of policy) our govt would have tried to get a prisoner back. It's up to us to charge him as needed, not allow the enemy to keep him and use him as leverage.

And now hopefully he'll get the punishment he deserves.

If the Army really did send an unfit man to the front lines, I hope that there is much learned from this harsh lesson where men lost their lives searching.

He should be given the exact treatment that Pvt. Eddie Slovik got when he deserted. Twelve rifle barrels staring at him.

 

[Arjay81]

Did Obama not trade Gitmo terrorists for Bergdahl? Then give him a hero's welcome when he returned?

Additionally, was not Obama the president for the majority of the time when Bergdahl was "captive"? And did nothing about it?

 

[Arjay81]

Bergdahl wasn't guilty of a crime at that point, nor is he now until he's officially convicted. We'd do the same to rescue any American POW. You seem to want to condemn American POWs to death based on your hunches. We had no idea what the circumstances of his disappearance were until he was recovered. He's now being prosecuted as our legal system dictates.

Your denial of known facts is becoming tedious along with being glaringly political as you refuse to assign any blame to the man who was in charge of the military at the time.

And yes, Bergdahl was guilty, just not convicted.

 

[Arjay81]

You guys spent eight years insisting it's never ok to bring up Bush.

And Obama spent eight years bashing him. Turn about is fair play.

 

[Arjay81]

Question is, will Trump help himself to the mans 9/11 GI Bill benefits, there is a history. Enrolled in Trump U?

Still off topic, but that is the best those such as you have. Trump has nothing to do with this case, outside of stating his opinion. And you guys try to attack him for made up reasons.

Democrats:doh

 

[Arjay81]

On the day the decision was made to get the guy back, how much evidence of desertion was present?

You will have to get access to the classified files that Obama read and make that decision. All other discussion is simply unproven assertions.

 

[Arjay81]

If that's your characterization of the situation then we're done here. I have to go to work tomorrow and am not going to bother with any more dishonesty tonight. :2wave:

Not when you have yourself to deal with anyway.

 

[Arjay81]

I'm not saying the Taliban did a Seal Team 6 raid on the outpost. His disappearance being "fishy" is not enough reason to just write off an American POW in enemy hands and sentence him to death. I was on a small COP in Afghanistan with about 50 guys. There were LOTS of exploitable holes in our security, Afghan workers worked on the COP along with about 50 Afghan national army who were corrupt as ****. Kidnapping someone would not be very hard. His disappearance alone is not enough evidence to sentence him to death.

Once we got him back we were able to get the full story and he is being prosecuted to the full extent of UCMJ. That is how the system works. We do not leave our soldiers in enemy hands because the circumstances of their disappearance was suspicious.

Those of you who claim a military background just have to have dome knowledge of the UCMJ. Leaving your post without authorization is at best AWOL possibly rising to desertion in a war zone. Remember those briefing in basic? Hasn't changed despite your whining.

 

[yankintx]

Still off topic, but that is the best those such as you have. Trump has nothing to do with this case, outside of stating his opinion. And you guys try to attack him for made up reasons.

Democrats:doh

Shhh..I am not a Dem, is that your best retort?