Bowe Bergdahl pleads guilty to desertion

[Erod]

Obama is not president and has absolutely nothing to do with this case. Can you give one example of Obama praising Bergdahl in any way, shape or form? This is just silly partisanship injected into completely unrelated topics.



So what specifically is Obama guilty of? Did he convince Bergdahl to go AWOL? Did he praise him or shield him from prosecution? Be specific. Sounds like a serious case of ODS - Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Did Obama not trade Gitmo terrorists for Bergdahl? Then give him a hero's welcome when he returned?

 

[Southern Dad]

And you're trying to convince us we should put American POWs to death based purely on your suspicions and no evidence of any kind. Totally disgusting.

He probably will. He hates soldiers and doesn't have to go himself so he has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

No where have I advocated putting Bergdahl to death but I wouldn't have traded five high ranking Taliban for him, either. I wouldn't have traded the janitor of the Taliban complex for him.

 

[Hawkeye10]

the 'terrible judgment' was to trade prisoners in order to repatriate one of our soldiers from the taliban

if your spouse - who you tell us was/is in the service - had been that captured soldier, i do not believe you would today insist Obama's willingness to trade for her was an instance of 'terrible judgment'

Sure I want to repatriate traitors on the battle field so that we can put them in prison, but I not going to trade anything of value for it.

 

[Southern Dad]

Did Obama not trade Gitmo terrorists for Bergdahl? Then give him a hero's welcome when he returned?

Now that he's entered that guilty plea, we can call him a traitor without any doubt. The Democrats still try to defend President Obama on this saying he couldn't have known.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Did Obama not trade Gitmo terrorists for Bergdahl? Then give him a hero's welcome when he returned?

Bergdahl wasn't guilty of a crime at that point, nor is he now until he's officially convicted. We'd do the same to rescue any American POW. You seem to want to condemn American POWs to death based on your hunches. We had no idea what the circumstances of his disappearance were until he was recovered. He's now being prosecuted as our legal system dictates.

 

[Southern Dad]

Bergdahl wasn't guilty of a crime at that point. We'd do the same to rescue any American POW. You seem to want to condemn American POWs to death based on your hunches.

I see, so the going rate for one low ranking American POW is five high ranking Taliban?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I see, so the going rate for one low ranking American POW is five high ranking Taliban?

You've already made it very clear you don't value the lives of American soldiers. You are in a minority.

 

[Southern Dad]

You've already made it very clear you don't value the lives of American soldiers. You are in a minority.

No, I have not made that clear in any way. Anyone who says that I do not value the lives of American soldiers is either lying or flat out unable to comprehend what I have posted. If you were in front of me and said that I'd have to take out my white glove, and name my second. We may be on the opposite side of the issue but I served 21 years in the US Army. I recognize Bowe Bergdahl for what he is... a TRAITOR. Had I been in command of his unit, I would have done just what his commander did. I would have sent out search party after search party wasting a lot of money and endangering lives. I am hopeful that he will serve a long prison term.

 

[Fenton]

I'm not sure what Obama did wrong on this issue. The Army would have proceeded to send teams out to look for him and I think (not sure of policy) our govt would have tried to get a prisoner back. It's up to us to charge him as needed, not allow the enemy to keep him and use him as leverage.

And now hopefully he'll get the punishment he deserves.

If the Army really did send an unfit man to the front lines, I hope that there is much learned from this harsh lesson where men lost their lives searching.

What did Obama do wrong ? Plenty.

The Obama administration broke the law ( again ) by not giving Congress a 30 day notification prior to the prisoner swap

Next, they pushed a obviously false narrative that he had " served his Country with distinction and honor " and claimed they bypassed Congress because Bergdahls life was in danger and they had to work fast.

Just a bunch of lies, just more of the same underhanded devious bull **** we came to expect from him and his administation.

 

[Tigerace117]

of course it is in our nation's interest to further incarcerate someone having severe mental health issues, despite that he was a taliban prisoner for years already

He was a Taliban prisoner as a direct result of his own actions

 

[Southern Dad]

What did Obama do wrong ? Plenty.

The Obama administration broke the law ( again ) by not giving Congress a 30 day notification prior to the prisoner swap

Next, they pushed a obviously false narrative that he had " served his Country with distinction and honor " and claimed they bypassed Congress because Bergdahls life was in danger and they had to work fast.

Just a bunch of lies, just more of the same underhanded devious bull **** we came to expect from him and his administation.

The administration even admitted that they did not give the appropriate notice as required. That distinction and honor really came back to haunt them.

 

[graeme104]

Has it not dawned upon you that Obama is no longer in office?

Oh, so we can't discuss politicians who are no longer in office? People still talk about Hillary Clinton, who never is no longer in office too. Hell, I still hear people talk about Reagan.

 

[Deuce]

Damn, you have a very high opinion of President Barack H Obama. And to think, no one could whisper to him what they knew.

When was it proven that this was desertion?

 

[Deuce]

Oh, so we can't discuss politicians who are no longer in office? People still talk about Hillary Clinton, who never is no longer in office too. Hell, I still hear people talk about Reagan.

You guys spent eight years insisting it's never ok to bring up Bush.

 

[Southern Dad]

When was it proven that this was desertion?

Proven? When he entered the guilty plea but if you are saying that the Commander-in-Chief was ignorant of the facts surrounding his leaving, then you really have a low opinion of Barack H Obama's intelligence.

 

[yankintx]

This guys an insult to men & women wearing the uniform, everywhere. No other way around it!

But he's still one of ours, we bring ours back and take care of them here. That's the difference between us and them!

Question is, will Trump help himself to the mans 9/11 GI Bill benefits, there is a history. Enrolled in Trump U?

 

[jmotivator]

Was it determined without any doubt, prior to the exchange that he had willingly left his post?

According to his squad mates? Yes. It was assumed that he had wandered off post either way since it would also be VERY out of character for the Taliban to sneak in to a military post and quietly seize a single hostage.

 

[Deuce]

Proven? When he entered the guilty plea but if you are saying that the Commander-in-Chief was ignorant of the facts surrounding his leaving, then you really have a low opinion of Barack H Obama's intelligence.

On the day the decision was made to get the guy back, how much evidence of desertion was present?

 

[Deuce]

According to his squad mates? Yes. It was assumed that he had wandered off post either way since it would also be VERY out of character for the Taliban to sneak in to a military post and quietly seize a single hostage.

And seeing as how they didn't really know why he wandered off, maybe it's best to err on the side of don't leave a man behind? Or maybe our men and women in uniform would feel better knowing we'll just say "ahh **** em" if there's even a whiff of an idea that they're having any mental stability issues.

 

[braindrain]

His claim is that he intended to walk 18 miles to the next base to complain about chain of command at his base, which is pretty damn stupid given the territory. But I'm no military lawyer so I have no idea what rises to the level of desertion vs whatever he's saying he was trying to do (AWOL for a cause or...?)

And I think someone would have to be very very naive to believe his BS story. That or are just looking to make excuses for his actions.

 

[jmotivator]

And seeing as how they didn't really know why he wandered off, maybe it's best to err on the side of don't leave a man behind? Or maybe our men and women in uniform would feel better knowing we'll just say "ahh **** em" if there's even a whiff of an idea that they're having any mental stability issues.

And again, we had several US hostages in that time that didn't warrant half the concern. Do you suppose the same men and women in uniform thought that handing back the terrorists that they bled and died to capture was a suitable payment "to be sure" that Bergdahl had deserted? I can tell you what the marines I work with think and it isn't that it was a smart trade. There were tons of warning signs at the time that Bergdahl's disappearance wasn't accidental, and many at the time correctly warned against the cost the Obama admin was paying to get him back quickly. Would have been nice had the administration worked even half as hard to get Otto Warmbier back... but then hell, many of the same people defending the Bergdahl mistake still blame Warmbier for his imprisonment and torture.

 

[Deuce]

And again, we had several US hostages in that time that didn't warrant half the concern. Do you suppose the same men and women in uniform thought that handing back the terrorists that they bled and died to capture was a suitable payment "to be sure" that Bergdahl had deserted? I can tell you what the marines I work with think and it isn't that it was a smart trade. There were tons of warning signs at the time that Bergdahl's disappearance wasn't accidental, and many at the time correctly warned against the cost the Obama admin was paying to get him back quickly. Would have been nice had the administration worked even half as hard to get Otto Warmbier back... but then hell, many of the same people defending the Bergdahl mistake still blame Warmbier for his imprisonment and torture.

Was there an equivalent opportunity to recover other people? How do you know?

 

[jmotivator]

Was there an equivalent opportunity to recover other people? How do you know?

Sure, there is always an opportunity to get a hostage back when your negotiating tactic is to give the enemy whatever they ask for.

 

[Deuce]

Sure, there is always an opportunity to get a hostage back when your negotiating tactic is to give the enemy whatever they ask for.

If that's your characterization of the situation then we're done here. I have to go to work tomorrow and am not going to bother with any more dishonesty tonight. :2wave:

 

[RabidAlpaca]

No, I have not made that clear in any way. Anyone who says that I do not value the lives of American soldiers is either lying or flat out unable to comprehend what I have posted. If you were in front of me and said that I'd have to take out my white glove, and name my second. We may be on the opposite side of the issue but I served 21 years in the US Army. I recognize Bowe Bergdahl for what he is... a TRAITOR. Had I been in command of his unit, I would have done just what his commander did. I would have sent out search party after search party wasting a lot of money and endangering lives. I am hopeful that he will serve a long prison term.

You're advocating leaving an American soldier as a POW in enemy hands with ZERO evidence of any wrong-doing. In 11 pages you haven't been able to produce one shred of information that anybody on the planet knew with any certainty that he deserted. You're an arm chair commander making extrajudicial ****-sure decisions after the fact. Thank god our leaders had a shred of honor and didn't have your immense cowardice and disrespect for our judicial system and military.

If you ever did deploy during those 21 years, someone should've left your ass for dead because they subjectively detected you are a coward who might desert his country. I get those vibes from you and apparently vibes are all that is needed to sentence a POW to death.