Blunt blades, GPS trackers and longer school hours: The hunt for an answer to Britain's knife-crime

[Phys251]

May I answer with this?

LONDON -- A surge of stabbings in London was blamed Monday for the city overtaking New York's monthly murder tally for the first time in modern history. Fifteen people were murdered in London during February, compared to 14 in New York, according to police figures.

The British capital also suffered 22 fatal stabbings and shootings in March, higher than the 21 in New York. There have been 10 fatal stabbings in London in the last 19 days, following on from the 80 fatal stabbings recorded in the city last year. . .​

London murder rate higher than New York City for first time ever in March amid surging knife and gun crime - CBS News

However that is just two months and generally London does not equal New York City in violent crime and New York City is rarely listed among the USA's most violent and/or deadly cities. And crime across most of America and the UK have been dropping over the years with or without gun control.

Lots to unpack here so I'll just hit a few highlights.

First of all, compared to many other major US cities, New York's murder rate isn't very high. Second, you rightly admit that it is too early to tell whether this spike in London's murder rate is an aberration or part of a long-term trend. Third, as I said in post #97, gun sense laws are only one way to curtail murder rates.

Now this statement keeps popping up so let's address it on its own:

And none of that changes the fact that those intent on committing murder and mayhem will find a way to do that with or without guns.

By that reasoning, let's go in reverse and legalize fully automatics, grenades, and tanks.

 

[Phys251]

Tell that to the countless Brits in this forum who regularly claim that the UK is a peaceful utopia because of its stringent gun control laws.

Show me EXACTLY where they say that.

Those charts are based on facts since I got them directly from CNN and Pew Research, so its too bad if reality proves you wrong. The US is getting safer while the UK is getting more violent.

You can use statistics to make almost any point you want.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Lots to unpack here so I'll just hit a few highlights.

First of all, compared to many other major US cities, New York's murder rate isn't very high. Second, you rightly admit that it is too early to tell whether this spike in London's murder rate is an aberration or part of a long-term trend. Third, as I said in post #97, gun sense laws are only one way to curtail murder rates.

Now this statement keeps popping up so let's address it on its own:



By that reasoning, let's go in reverse and legalize fully automatics, grenades, and tanks.

Of course we can always argue via the absurd and non sequitur and/or changing the subject.

But my reasoning is sound. Crime, including violent crime, while like pretty much everywhere else in the civilized world has been dropping over recent decades, is currently on the rise in London at this time. And people intent on committing mayhem and doing violence to others will find a way to do that with or without guns.

 

[HonestJoe]

Tell that to the countless Brits in this forum who regularly claim that the UK is a peaceful utopia because of its stringent gun control laws.

I’m no more responsible for those idiots as you are for the American idiots who claim banning all guns will make the USA a peaceful utopia. If I ever bother engaging them in discussion I will tell them the same things I’m telling you. At the moment though, I’m in discussion with you and what anyone else says is irrelevant to what you or I do here.

You’ve not challenged anything I actually said though, so I hope that means you’ve taken it to heart. Have you at least read the article you linked now, especially the parts towards the end about actually addressing all the relevant problems? That’s a much more significant and important topic than a “My country is better than your country!” pissing contest.

 

[PoS]

You can use statistics to make almost any point you want.

So you dont care about facts do you? Well that does explain a lot about you.

I’m no more responsible for those idiots as you are for the American idiots who claim banning all guns will make the USA a peaceful utopia. If I ever bother engaging them in discussion I will tell them the same things I’m telling you. At the moment though, I’m in discussion with you and what anyone else says is irrelevant to what you or I do here.

You’ve not challenged anything I actually said though, so I hope that means you’ve taken it to heart. Have you at least read the article you linked now, especially the parts towards the end about actually addressing all the relevant problems? That’s a much more significant and important topic than a “My country is better than your country!” pissing contest.

Everything youve said is silly. Your own police now wants to issue blunt knives to victims of domestic violence and another one wants GPS trackers on all knives, and that shows just how clueless the UK authorities are with addressing the real issues.

 

[HonestJoe]

Everything youve said is silly. Your own police now wants to issue blunt knives to victims of domestic violence and another one wants GPS trackers on all knives, and that shows just how clueless the UK authorities are with addressing the real issues.

Not my police (or MP, which is where the GPS comment came from, something you’d know if you read the article). This still isn’t about me being responsible for ever stupid thing said by someone from the UK and still isn’t about a nationalist pissing contest.

Get back to me when you’ve actually read the article and wish to discuss it reasonably or don’t get back to me at all.

 

[JustHanging]

Makes one wonder how "pro-life" the Republicans really are. :?

For many, so long as they can put Brown Skinned people into Concentration Camps, all is good.

 

[Phys251]

So you dont care about facts do you? Well that does explain a lot about you.

Right back at you!

Everything youve said is silly. Your own police now wants to issue blunt knives to victims of domestic violence and another one wants GPS trackers on all knives, and that shows just how clueless the UK authorities are with addressing the real issues.

On this side of the pond, many states let people convicted of domestic violence legally own guns. What could possibly go wrong. :roll:

 

[bluesmoke]

The PoS’ and apdst’s of this thread will have you think that London’s murder rate is worse than NYC, that if you ban guns then knives or some other weapon will be used and that London’s attempt to solv knife and sharp instrument violence is futile.

No evidence is given to support the claim that the London murder rate is worse than that of NYC. It was higher once for the month of April, 2018 when other posters took to the threads to condemn London gun and other weapon bans. Wrong again.

No evidence is given to support the claim that if a gun isn’t available to commit murder, then other weapons are used as effectively or efficiently.

Limiting violence by knives and sharp instruments through GPS and blunting knives is at least an attempt to address a recognized problem. Many refuse to recognize or take action addressing the overwhelming gun violence in this country. In London leadership jumped on the problem right away and did not take decades to simply discuss. Most countries and US states where there are gun safety laws and corresponding lower gun violence rates is not so much a matter of the law itself as it is the public attitude to have the willingness to actively address the problem with legislation and follow the law, as opposed to the public attitude that condones such a gun culture as ours without regard to the accompanying culture of gun violence, mayhem and death.