Black People Must Embrace the Second Amendment [Op-Ed]

[TurtleDude]

Not necessarily. They might have been at home expecting the flatfoots to do their job. Or, they might have been outnumbered and not wanting to pull the trigger. Or, all kinds of things. So no, a gun isn't a guarantee.

True, if you are in your car, and it catches fire, the fire extinguisher in your basement or garage won't help you. But if they had been in their stores-packing some serious heat, I suspect the scum would have been less likely to try to invade their businesses.

 

[dave8383]

True, if you are in your car, and it catches fire, the fire extinguisher in your basement or garage won't help you. But if they had been in their stores-packing some serious heat, I suspect the scum would have been less likely to try to invade their businesses.

Well, I'm sure there are nice people on both sides.

 

[Logician Man]

It would not have. He had a felony record IIRC and cannot legally own a gun. However, being armed would have helped lots of black business owners who had their businesses destroyed by the scum that looted and pillaged.

Nonsense. As soon as any business owners used a firearm to kill/injure any looters, they would almost assuredly been beaten severely by the masses, or killed themselves. Your post is asinine and without merit whatsoever, on every level.

 

[TurtleDude]

Well, I'm sure there are nice people on both sides.

There are absolutely NICE people PEACEFULLY Protesting what appears to be a cut and dried case of police brutality-at minimum. Nice people are not destroying businesses of blameless individuals or smashing the windows of cars caught up in their thuggery.

 

[TurtleDude]

Nonsense. As soon as any business owners used a firearm to kill/injure any looters, they would almost assuredly been beaten severely by the masses, or killed themselves. Your post is asinine and without merit whatsoever, on every level.

Your unlearned comments are devoid of fact and ignorant of reality. I get the fact you feel a need to try to contradict my posts-constantly, but you are absolutely and completely wrong

 

[dave8383]

There are absolutely NICE people PEACEFULLY Protesting what appears to be a cut and dried case of police brutality-at minimum. Nice people are not destroying businesses of blameless individuals or smashing the windows of cars caught up in their thuggery.

Correct.

 

[Logician Man]

Your idiotic comments are devoid of fact and ignorant of reality. I get the fact you feel a need to try to contradict my posts-constantly, but you are absolutely and completely wrong

Are they? Why don't you make a pilgrimage to one of these hot spots and test your theory? See how that works out for you. Are you actually so devoid of common sense you truly think one, or a few armed business owners is going deter the masses from the senseless looting and rioting? Tell us how many looters/rioters are needed to take down an armed business owner or three, before the ammo runs out, or the armed business owner(s) otherwise end up on the short end of the stick.

 

[swing_voter]

This guy was a black man who killed six cops and wounded over a dozen. He was mad about the #blacklivesmatter thing, basically the same issue people are rioting about now.

They killed him with a robot. They put c4 on the robot and detonated it.

 

[TurtleDude]

Are they? Why don't you make a pilgrimage to one of these hot spots and test your theory? See how that works out for you. Are you actually so devoid of common sense you truly think one, or a few armed business owners is going deter the masses from the senseless looting and rioting? Tell us how many looters/rioters are needed to take down an armed business owner or three, before the ammo runs out, or the armed business owner(s) otherwise end up on the short end of the stick.

what happened to the Korean shopkeepers in LA who guarded their businesses with the items people like you call "assault weapons". Rioters are cowards. They operate in packs because they are cowards. Ever see this movie? I realize it is fiction but there is lots of truth to this

 

[Logician Man]

what happened to the Korean shopkeepers in LA who guarded their businesses with the items people like you call "assault weapons". Rioters are cowards. They operate in packs because they are cowards. Ever see this movie? I realize it is fiction but there is lots of truth to this

Here's what is NOT fiction, TD. Your original post was stupid. PERIOD! These business owners are clearly much brighter/smarter that you 'constantly' claim to be. They aren't standing in their stores with firearms defending their 'property', because they know damned good and well if they do so, they will very likely be severely harmed, or killed. Something you obviously are incapable of comprehending. Further more, feel free to pull up ANY post in this forum where I have used the term 'assault weapon'. ) <------ Good luck with that one.

 

[apdst]

How would that have helped George Floyd?

93% murdered black folks are murdered by other black folks. More armed black folks would mean fewer murdered black folks.

 

[apdst]

well, maybe not in this case but George Zimmerman would be dead.

And Trayvon Martin would be in prison.

 

[TurtleDude]

Here's what is NOT fiction, TD. Your original post was stupid. PERIOD! These business owners are clearly much brighter/smarter that you 'constantly' claim to be. They aren't standing in their stores with firearms defending their 'property', because they know damned good and well if they do so, they will very likely be severely harmed, or killed. Something you obviously are incapable of comprehending. Further more, feel free to pull up ANY post in this forum where I have used the term 'assault weapon'. ) <------ Good luck with that one.

some people are cowards and run away. Others aren't.

 

[TurtleDude]

93% murdered black folks are murdered by other black folks. More armed black folks would mean fewer murdered black folks.

what is your take on the claim that if black shopkeepers were well armed and stood ready to deploy said arms in defense of their stores, the mobs would have killed them?

 

[apdst]

Nonsense. As soon as any business owners used a firearm to kill/injure any looters, they would almost assuredly been beaten severely by the masses, or killed themselves. Your post is asinine and without merit whatsoever, on every level.

That's why we need AR 15's with as many 30 rd mags as possible.

 

[apdst]

what is your take on the claim that if black shopkeepers were well armed and stood ready to deploy said arms in defense of their stores, the mobs would have killed them?

If the shopkeeper had enough ammunition, the mob would stand back. Those dumbasses aren't going to do a bonzai charge into a hail of gunfire. If he runs out of ammo, though, that might be a different story.

 

[Logician Man]

some people are cowards and run away. Others aren't.

It's not 'cowardly' to exit a scene in which one is clearly outnumbered, and even being 'armed' goes against all common sense when the deck is clearly stacked against you. Another REALLY stupid post on your part.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's not 'cowardly' to exit a scene in which one is clearly outnumbered, and even being 'armed' goes against all common sense when the deck is clearly stacked against you. Another REALLY stupid post on your part.

I will let people who actually understand armed self defense laugh at this nonsense you posted. You can run away. DOn't expect others to do that.

 

[TurtleDude]

If the shopkeeper had enough ammunition, the mob would stand back. Those dumbasses aren't going to do a bonzai charge into a hail of gunfire. If he runs out of ammo, though, that might be a different story.

I suspect if a shopkeeper has good cover and kills the first 3-4 looters who comes into his shop, the others will turn and flee. Especially if there are several shopkeepers nearby who are doing the same thing.

 

[Logician Man]

I will let people who actually understand armed self defense laugh at this nonsense you posted. You can run away. DOn't expect others to do that.

This is as good an opportunity to tell the forum about my understanding of 'armed self defense.' The floor is yours. Have at it.

 

[Casper]

I suspect if a shopkeeper has good cover and kills the first 3-4 looters who comes into his shop, the others will turn and flee. Especially if there are several shopkeepers nearby who are doing the same thing.

Korean shop owners in LA proved your point, in some cases they only had to stand on the roof of their business and show they were armed. Cowards are going to take on easier targets.

 

[apdst]

I suspect if a shopkeeper has good cover and kills the first 3-4 looters who comes into his shop, the others will turn and flee. Especially if there are several shopkeepers nearby who are doing the same thing.

I agree with that assessment. Everyone wants to lead the charge, no one wants to be the first to die.

 

[Lovebug]

Korean shop owners in LA proved your point, in some cases they only had to stand on the roof of their business and show they were armed. Cowards are going to take on easier targets.

I don't know if inciting people to take up arms is the right thing to do, even if the implication is veiled in concern.

 

[Logician Man]

I suspect if a shopkeeper has good cover and kills the first 3-4 looters who comes into his shop, the others will turn and flee. Especially if there are several shopkeepers nearby who are doing the same thing.

You can only 'suspect' because you have no ACTUAL experience in these scenarios. Correct? Why do you think these business owners are NOT in their businesses defending their property and livelihoods? These business owners seem to understand when they are/would be in a lose/lose situation. You? Not so much.

 

[Nickyjo]

Black People Must Embrace the Second Amendment [Op-Ed] | Colorlines

Nice piece by Killer Mike about the need for black Americans to arm themselves.



Gun ownership among the black population is low compared to whites. While 36% of whites own a gun, only 24% of blacks and just 15% of Hispanics own a firearm. Those are rookie numbers they need to pump those numbers up.

Hispanics need to step up also. The goal should be to have every American carrying all the time. What could possibly go wrong?