Black People Must Embrace the Second Amendment [Op-Ed]

[Rich2018]

I see reading comprehension is not your strong point. I made no claim, I posted an opinion. For future reference, when people start with "in my opinion" they are posting an "opinion".

An opinion is also a claim

So if for example you said "all black people are stupid" that is both an opinion and a claim (because you would be basing your opinion on you criteria, and that in turn would have to be based on some personally held information, even if that information was wrong)

So now that you've been schooled in the English language:

Why I have that opinion is simple. I was raised in a mixed race neighborhood. Nearly every black tough in that neighborhood had a gun in his pocket. Very few of the whites carried guns.

So your opinion is partly based on the limited data you had access to as a child ?

Second, if you look at gun crime statistics you will find black men are the main contributors in every one of them. When 7% of the population commit over 50% of the gun crimes it is obvious they have access to guns.

I know black people have access to guns

Now what is the source of your data ?

Third, black people don't trust cops.

So? White people don't trust cops

Asian people don't trust cops

Hispanic people don't trust cops.

 

[Maidenrules29]

well, maybe not in this case but George Zimmerman would be dead.

I dont think Trayvon was old enough to legally own a handgun.

 

[Rich2018]

I never said that. There are plenty of unguarded stores to pick from. I do see that one guy pressed his luck with an armed pawn shop owner. He is lying in a puddle of blood on the sidewalk. Seems none of his buds hung around to press the issue. So much for your mass attack theory.

So what.

Store are best off closing the shutters and locking the doors.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I dont think Trayvon was old enough to legally own a handgun.

but if he had one Zimmerman would be dead.

 

[BahamaBob]

An opinion is also a claim

So if for example you said "all black people are stupid" that is both an opinion and a claim (because you would be basing your opinion on you criteria, and that in turn would have to be based on some personally held information, even if that information was wrong)

So now that you've been schooled in the English language:




So your opinion is partly based on the limited data you had access to as a child ?




I know black people have access to guns

Now what is the source of your data ?




So? White people don't trust cops

Asian people don't trust cops

Hispanic people don't trust cops.

Wrong as usual. An opinion is not a claim. Because your knowledge of the English language seems very limited, I will help you out.

o·pin·ion
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[Rich2018]

Wrong as usual. An opinion is not a claim. Because your knowledge of the English language seems very limited, I will help you out.

Wrong as usual eh, this should be fun

o·pin·ion
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a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

Specifically based on a perceived fact(s)

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A perception based on intrinsic qualities, entirely subject to a person's individual criteria and cannot be proven correct or incorrect

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Specifically a claim is based on fact that CAN be proved or disproved



So a voiced opinion cannot be said to be wrong or right because it's based on personal criteria
"In my opinion, the 1985-86 Chicago Bears are the best ever NFL team" - you cannot prove that statement wrong. It is not a scientific statement

"In my opinion those Bears scored 5o points in Superbowl XX" - this is NOT an opinion, it is an actual claim that can be shown to be wrong or right (in this instance, incorrect)


So you're wrong, as usual.

 

[vegas giants]

You think they would have been able to murder George Floyd in broad daylight if most of the crowd watching were armed?

If you pulled out your gun in that incident the other three cops would have shot you

 

[Rich2018]

If you pulled out your gun in that incident the other three cops would have shot you

AND you would have broken probably a dozen laws, depending on your use of your gun.

 

[roughdraft274]

You think they would have been able to murder George Floyd in broad daylight if most of the crowd watching were armed?

Are you saying that they should have shot the police officer?

 

[aociswundumho]

If you pulled out your gun in that incident the other three cops would have shot you

I said "most of the crowd" not just one person.

 

[vegas giants]

I said "most of the crowd" not just one person.

If 20 people pull out guns there the cops would have shot them

 

[Rich2018]

I said "most of the crowd" not just one person.

Then the crowd would be shot, and you seem to be condoning lynch mob rule.

 

[aociswundumho]

Are you saying that they should have shot the police officer?

The blue costume Derek Chauvin was wearing at the time doesn't change the morality of his actions. If you think it does, then you've got real problems.

 

[Rich2018]

The blue costume Derek Chauvin was wearing at the time doesn't change the morality of his actions. If you think it does, then you've got real problems.

Nor the legality (or lack of)

It does change your legal right to interfere with what he'd doing.

 

[roughdraft274]

The blue costume Derek Chauvin was wearing at the time doesn't change the morality of his actions. If you think it does, then you've got real problems.

I never said it does. But you didn't answer the question. You're evading. Why is that?

 

[Rich2018]

I never said it does. But you didn't answer the question. You're evading. Why is that?

Lack of an argument ?

 

[rjay]

https://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1071972329&noquote=1

 

[Rich2018]

https://www.debatepolitics.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1071972329&noquote=1

Looks like there's portability issues there huh ?

I guess a sahould gun wouldn't be very portable in that situation either ?

 

[aociswundumho]

I never said it does.

Yes, but you implied it, and I'd bet everything I own that deep down you believe it does.

But you didn't answer the question. You're evading. Why is that?

Because I'll end up getting banned and I just joined up a few months ago. Let's just say that I see nothing wrong with using reasonable and proportionate force in order to stop someone from committing murder.

 

[Rich2018]

...Let's just say that I see nothing wrong with using reasonable and proportionate force in order to stop someone from committing murder.

Including if that "person" was a police officer ?

 

[Yes_Minister]

It would not have. He had a felony record IIRC and cannot legally own a gun. However, being armed would have helped lots of black business owners who had their businesses destroyed by the scum that looted and pillaged.

Did owning a gun help Philando Castile? Heck, it seems like cops use the 2A as an excuse to act trigger happy and start shooting people because they "might have a gun" and a lot of conservatives cheer that behavior. For a lot conservatives the 2A "need not appply" to African Americans. Heck slave owners used the 2A to oppress their slaves, this right has usually been used against African Americans, not for their benefit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ch...mendment-apply-to-black-people?media=AMP+HTML

Does the 2nd Amendment apply to African Americans? - Los Angeles Times

 

[roughdraft274]

Yes, but you implied it, and I'd bet everything I own that deep down you believe it does.

You're wrong, and I never implied it. You assumed it.

Because I'll end up getting banned and I just joined up a few months ago. Let's just say that I see nothing wrong with using reasonable and proportionate force in order to stop someone from committing murder.

So your belief is so ludicrous that it will get you banned from a very non-partisan debate forum? Noted.

 

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Black People Must Embrace the Second Amendment [Op-Ed] | Colorlines

Nice piece by Killer Mike about the need for black Americans to arm themselves.



Gun ownership among the black population is low compared to whites. While 36% of whites own a gun, only 24% of blacks and just 15% of Hispanics own a firearm. Those are rookie numbers they need to pump those numbers up.

Black Americans should embrace the second amendment but so should all Americans.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Black Americans should embrace the second amendment but so should all Americans.

And if cops use the second Amendment as an excuse to shoot African Americans, would conservatives side with Africans Americans or the cops? Because they sided with the cops over Philando Castile. Cops and conservatives use "he might have a gun" as a justification for the cops to shoot someone.

 

[aociswundumho]

You're wrong, and I never implied it. You assumed it.

Well, why don't you clear up the misunderstanding right now? I say it's morally correct to use reasonable and proportionate force in order to stop someone from committing murder, regardless of whether or not the murderer is wearing a blue costume.

Do you agree or disagree?