Because People Getting to Keep Their Money Is the Worst Thing Ever

[tres borrachos]

Except when Obamacare is crammed down our throats.

You should get a job where you get employer sponsored insurance like most Americans have. Then you wouldn't have had "Obamacare" shoved down your throat like most Americans didn't have it shoved down our throats. You wouldn't need to purchase insurance from Uncle Sam.

 

[beancounter]

Tax Reform Angst on the Left

Liberals compare the tax bill to the Fugitive Slave Act, using terms like "corrupt", "budget busting", and "cruel".

So it must be a really good bill.

Liberals regard any effort to reduce the amount of money that is being taken from producers and given to their non-productive friends as "cruel" and evil, hence the comparison to the Fugitive Slave Act, because it was, you know, evil. Other than being evil, and Republicans voting for it even thought they had to know it's evil, there's no connection. Because boosting the economy by cutting taxes and regulations? That's just nonsense.

Honestly, do we have to go over this again? Supply side/Trickle down (voodoo economics) is a fallacy. The Kansas experiment proved it, once and for all.

The best way to stimulate demand (and thus encourage expansion and hiring) is to provide material tax relief to the middle class, who will spend it.

The crumbs the tax bill tosses to the middle class expire in 10 years...

Spending will have to be cut to "pay" for it...most likely social security, medicare, etc

I retire in 15 years. Year 11 is too close for comfort. I have no desire to see how much de facto austerity this bill will cause.

 

[tres borrachos]

Honestly, do we have to go over this again? Supply side/Trickle down (voodoo economics) is a fallacy. The Kansas experiment proved it, once and for all.

The best way to stimulate demand (and thus encourage expansion and hiring) is to provide material tax relief to the middle class, who will spend it.

The crumbs the tax bill tosses to the middle class expire in 10 years...

Spending will have to be cut to "pay" for it...most likely social security, medicare, etc

I retire in 15 years. Year 11 is too close for comfort. I have no desire to see how much de facto austerity this bill will cause.

The best way to stimulate demand (and thus encourage expansion and hiring) is to provide material tax relief to the middle class, who will spend it.


This, 1000 times this. Plus another thousand

 

[LowDown]

Honestly, do we have to go over this again? Supply side/Trickle down (voodoo economics) is a fallacy. The Kansas experiment proved it, once and for all.

You have to ignore a lot of evidence to make a statement like that. The current market is a good example.

Quit whining about losing government money. It wasn't your money in the first place.

 

[yankintx]

Great article pointing out the hysteria of the left with what ever Trump does! And then they tell them selves lies about it as well. Obama and the Federal agencies like BLM have been on a land grab for years now. BLM is loaded with partisan who only care about the environment.. It is high time to clean out the partisan left wingers out of our Government. The deep state are those...

I would rather the gov grab the land than the corporations who will exploit it for profits.

 

[LowDown]

How dare those two opinion writers voice their opinions. And we all know that two opinion writers equal "liberals" and "the left".

Guess what? Many of us on the right who are not liberals also know this bill is terrible. It does nothing for most middle class Americans, and it does nothing to "simplify" the tax code.

Corporations are posting record profits, year over year. Unemployment is at a decades-low. Stock market is at record highs. Trump brags about this daily. Why does the economy need to be "boosted" exactly?

You're kidding, right?

Corporations have been revving up in expectation of this tax relief and by the cuts in regulations that Trump has already made. Putting a president in office that's not an anti-business socialist, always threatening business with more taxes and regulations, as Obama did, makes all the difference.

Pro tip: The improvement that you see in the economy due to changes in government almost always start before the changes are actually made. They are made if the promise of change is credible.

 

[beancounter]

You have to ignore a lot of evidence to make a statement like that. The current market is a good example.

Quit whining about losing government money. It wasn't your money in the first place.

Large quick increases in the stock market are the result of irrational exuberance. A correction will occur within a year.

The stock market isn't the economy....

What government money am getting? I haven't received any checks. Are they using direct deposit?:roll:

 

[tres borrachos]

You're kidding, right?

Corporations have been revving up in expectation of this tax relief and by the cuts in regulations that Trump has already made. Putting a president in office that's not an anti-business socialist, always threatening business with more taxes and regulations, as Obama did, makes all the difference.

Pro tip: The improvement that you see in the economy due to changes in government almost always start before the changes are actually made. They are made if the promise of change is credible.

No, I'm not kidding.

The stock market was posting records highs while the "anti-business socialist" was in office. Unemployment dropped by more than half while the "anti-business socialist" was in office. You either forgot that, or your partisan hackery has clouded your mind.

The markets sure seemed to like that "anti-business socialist".

 

[disneydude]

Im not conservative, but the answer is pretty obvious. The economy can always be better. Corporations can always make more profit, stocks can always go higher. Most americans own shares in corporations, and why send trillions overseas to foreign corporations, when they could remain here? Then you have the debt, which will only be paid off by more taxes and less spending. Both which can be less harmful the greater the economic base and the more wealth in peoples pockets. And hey, more profit for corps means more taxes for govt to redistribute.

People like Trump don't do business overseas because tax rates are too high here. They do their business overseas because they can find cheap labor. Only when Americans are willing to work for peanuts will these circus corporations bring American jobs back. Trump loves to talk a big game about American workers and the importance of American manufacturing....but his actions say otherwise.

 

[LowDown]

No, I'm not kidding.

The stock market was posting records highs while the "anti-business socialist" was in office. Unemployment dropped by more than half while the "anti-business socialist" was in office. You either forgot that, or your partisan hackery has clouded your mind.

The markets sure seemed to like that "anti-business socialist".

What you are depicting is one of the slowest, most anemic recoveries from an economic downturn we've ever seen.

It's telling that the graphs you provide don't go past 2016. What would it look like if they did?

 

[tres borrachos]

What you are depicting is one of the slowest, most anemic recoveries from an economic downturn we've ever seen.

It's telling that the graphs you provide don't go past 2016. What would it look like if they did?

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My graphs don't beyond 2016 because the "anti-business socialist" wasn't President except for 3 weeks past 2016. You already knew that though.

Anemic? Nice try. Address what I posted. If businesses hated Obama so much, why did their profits go up to record numbers, the market close at record numbers, and unemployment skyrocket downward while he was President?

By the way, you forgot "Muslim Kenyan" while describing Obama. I'm sure that was just an oversight.

 

[dobieg]

The economy is doing great, according to you. So then why do the corporations need a tax break? It sounds perfect as it is.

It would seem logical that more companies would stay here rather than offshore if taxes and regulations were less of a burden.


Here's a good article on the subject and how many eastern European countries have benefited from decreased corporate taxes.

Lessons from the EU: Slash the US corporate tax | TheHill

 

[poweRob]

I dont agree with the single payer plan but do agree that expanded medicare/medicaid along with government funded healthcare centers would have gone a long way to resolve the problems we had without destroying an entire industry. I also agree that there needs to be an investment in infrastructure. Military...meh...first Id like to see an overhaul of business practices. Plus a good honest assessment of right sizing. But if we are going to spend...we should definitely spend in the right areas. I'd like to see ever major inner city have renewal initiatives. Hire people to build new homes or renovate current homes and properties. Tear down unsafe structures. Build community health/help centers.Cooperative government/private sector ventures. We should be kicking over a lot of stones.

Make all military spending have to be ultimately approved by the pentagon in some sort of way. So when congressmen try to jam through military spending that they don't need solely as a boon to their district, the pentagon can reject it. So this doesn't happen...

Pentagon Tells Congress to Stop Buying Equipment it Doesn't Need​

I say put the spending in rails, roads, bridges... or even a new tech infrastructure if they wanted to implement a nationwide hyperloop or something. It'd be nice for the U.S. to be the first to lead again in something really cool and advantageous like we used to.

 

[FastPace]

It’s the entitlement mentality. Leftists feel they are entitled to your labor just like the Democrat slaver holders back in the day. Leftists regard the American taxpayers as a big cow udder in which to draw upon whenever they feel damn good and ready. BO did it for eight years and essentially drove many into poverty. Now that BO’s boot is no longer on the throat of America, the American people can get back to work.

I like how Republicans and Democrats just make up fictional stories with no basis in reality whatsoever. People were poor before Obama got in office. They were poor when Obama got in office. And they are poor now that Trump is in office, or whether you replaced Trump with any other Republican like Paul Ryan they would still be poor.

Americans are not going to "get back to work" because you Republicans and Democrats with known doctoral degree intent flooded this country with foreigners while knowing full well many Americans were out of work. Knowing full well. In other words relative to jobs there are too many damn people in the USA.







So wicked are the Democratic Party and Republican Party with their Ph.D. mathematicians and economists... that the lot of you didn't even leave poor Southern blacks with cotton to pick any more. You replaced them with Mexican labor from Mexico. That's like something the character Satan in the Bible would do. Satan not satisfied he has ground some poor soul or some family to small grain, he has to grind them down to dust and extract as much out of them as he can to relish in their suffering and tragedy.

I'm not socialist. Well... to the extent I value property rights and I like an economic system that affords people the opportunity to get rich. So, in that sense I have no problem with income inequality. But not all views socialist have contradict Christian teaching. Government funding good infrastructure does not contradict Christian teaching. Nor does the Government providing safety nets to the extent they prevent citizens from falling into absolute poverty.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Tax Reform Angst on the Left

Liberals compare the tax bill to the Fugitive Slave Act, using terms like "corrupt", "budget busting", and "cruel".

So it must be a really good bill.

Liberals regard any effort to reduce the amount of money that is being taken from producers and given to their non-productive friends as "cruel" and evil, hence the comparison to the Fugitive Slave Act, because it was, you know, evil. Other than being evil, and Republicans voting for it even thought they had to know it's evil, there's no connection. Because boosting the economy by cutting taxes and regulations? That's just nonsense.

I'm fine with continuing to subsidize the aristocracy with socialism, apparently the public hasn't suffered enough yet to see through it.

 

[Fenton Lum]

It would seem logical that more companies would stay here rather than offshore if taxes and regulations were less of a burden.


Here's a good article on the subject and how many eastern European countries have benefited from decreased corporate taxes.

Lessons from the EU: Slash the US corporate tax | TheHill

And they can still manage single payer healthcare systems that put ours to shame and education for all. Odd that.

 

[Fenton Lum]

No, I'm not kidding.

The stock market was posting records highs while the "anti-business socialist" was in office. Unemployment dropped by more than half while the "anti-business socialist" was in office. You either forgot that, or your partisan hackery has clouded your mind.

The markets sure seemed to like that "anti-business socialist".

He was just as much a corporatist and any of the others and he too had a cabal of Goldman Sachs execs in the white house. Odd isn't it, that the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class always has it covered "both" ways.

 

[faithful_servant]

This tax bill will increase the national debt by billions.

..and increase tax revenues by billions and force Congress to cut spending. But feel free to ignore those truths and just keep shoveling your money into the gov't's gaping maw.

 

[jonny5]

Err... they want to cut corp tax. That will mean less tax.

Im speaking of them using the money to make more profit. And repatriation of profit will result in more tax too. It just one of the possiblities.

 

[jonny5]

People like Trump don't do business overseas because tax rates are too high here. They do their business overseas because they can find cheap labor. Only when Americans are willing to work for peanuts will these circus corporations bring American jobs back. Trump loves to talk a big game about American workers and the importance of American manufacturing....but his actions say otherwise.

Lower tax rates and regulatory costs offsets higher labor costs. I have no doubt that plenty of americans would rather employ americans than chinese.

 

[Deuce]

It's adorable that right wingers still think this is a tax cut.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Small businesses are the backbone of the economy, and yet...........the hack liberals keep using corporations as their boogie man.

https://www.sba.gov

 

[Critter7r]

Small businesses are the backbone of the economy, and yet...........the hack liberals keep using corporations as their boogie man.

https://www.sba.gov

semi-related.

And funny.

 

[disneydude]

Lower tax rates and regulatory costs offsets higher labor costs. I have no doubt that plenty of americans would rather employ americans than chinese.

Donald Trump doesn't. He would rather pay for cheap labor overseas.

 

[disneydude]

..and increase tax revenues by billions and force Congress to cut spending. But feel free to ignore those truths and just keep shoveling your money into the gov't's gaping maw.

Realistically if you are going to make cuts to save money, you would have to make huge costs to defense which is by far our largest expense....and Republicans are never willing to do that.