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Barr SMACKS DOWN the Infantile Fake News at Press Conference..naturally.

So, a Russian Election Interference campaign that had its genesis in a cyber based disinformation campaign designed to poison and corrode our Constitution Republic does not meet some standard?

Sure. Spy on the Russians all you want.

American citizens were spied upon, and the rules are different. Spying on US citizens requires a FISA warrant.
So, the legal 'factual predicate' to justify the spying on US citizens applies. It doesn't to the Russians.

You are thinking about a criminal investigation which is not where this started and not where the FBI was in the time frame you are discussing. The FBI was running a counter-intelligence operation that ultimately bled into criminal investigation.

Criminal investigations start with a crime, and investigates to determine who is responsible for that crime.

Which crime was the factual predicate for the Trump / Russian Collusion hoax? Is there even a legal statute for 'collusion'?

Some one of these days we might have to separate the FBI into two agencies as opposed to having one agency conduct both Criminal Investigations and counter-intelligence Investigations. I could actually argue either side of that discussion and would likely win in debate regardless of what side I argued. Surely a sign that the actual answer to that question is not definitive at this point.

In this particular case what might be the case 'once of these days' doesn't apply. What applies is the situation at the time of the investigation.
 
There's enough evidence to know that the Obama administration politicized the intel community. P E R I O D !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's enough evidence already gathered by Congress that shows wrong doing. PERIOD

Horowitz has seen it, Barr is aware of it. The investigation is going forward why? Because there IS evidence of wrongdoing,

In about six weeks the **** will hit the fan showing wrongdoing under the Obama administration. And Barr he has already seen enough evidence to pursue an investigation of wrongdoing. Yes the **** is about to hit the fan.

Agreed. And cleaning up this mess, this dangerous politicization of the agencies of the US federal government, particularly the DOJ and FBI, appears what Barr has tasked for himself. I'm hopeful, wish him God speed and much success in this endeavor.
 
Grok using the word "infantile" in his thread title.

If that isn't irony....
 
Hilarious watching Barr, once again, PIMP SLAPPING the SOPHOMORIC IDIOCY from the Fake News clowns at the press conference.

There are multiple stories on almost every news outlet, except Faux and Bull****Bart (obviously your only news sources), that are calling Barr out for misleading the public.
 
Sure. Spy on the Russians all you want.

American citizens were spied upon, and the rules are different. Spying on US citizens requires a FISA warrant.
So, the legal 'factual predicate' to justify the spying on US citizens applies. It doesn't to the Russians.



Criminal investigations start with a crime, and investigates to determine who is responsible for that crime.

Which crime was the factual predicate for the Trump / Russian Collusion hoax? Is there even a legal statute for 'collusion'?



In this particular case what might be the case 'once of these days' doesn't apply. What applies is the situation at the time of the investigation.

There is no evidence that American citizens were spied upon by US Investigative or Intelligence Agents and spying is the wrong term to apply in this case. Either Authorized Surveillance or Unauthorized Surveillance is the correct terminology and Trump political hack Barr knows it. I have explained it more times than I can count.

There is no context for the use of the term Spying when discussing a US Intelligence of Investigative Agency like the FBI and a US Citizen.

The short version is that Spying within the context of Nation States is always a crime from the perspective of the targeted Nation State and punishable via Indictment to Prosecution. A US Investigative or Intelligence Officer may be accused of Unauthorized Surveillance of a US Citizen in which case if found to be culpable by an IG might be censured, dismissed or the worst cases Indicted to Prosecution. It is not in and off itself a crime punishable by Indictment to Prosecution whereas Spying always is a crime punishable by Indictment to Prosecution. They are apples and oranges not two different varieties of oranges.
 
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At some point stupidity morphed into complicity. Ignoring Trump’s obvious dereliction of duty to uphold the laws and norms set forth in the constitution, as is clearly pointed out in page after page of the Mueller Report, is being complicit. Stupidity is no longer an excuse.
 
At some point stupidity morphed into complicity. Ignoring Trump’s obvious dereliction of duty to uphold the laws and norms set forth in the constitution, as is clearly pointed out in page after page of the Mueller Report, is being complicit. Stupidity is no longer an excuse.



Yeah...it was TRUMP who was "derelict in his duty".



Please cite what "DUTY" he has been "derelict " in.....LIKE THIS ASSHOLE CLAERLY WAS:


Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks


Obama cyber chief confirms '''stand down''' order against Russian cyberattacks | Fox News



Obama's team said it had Russian meddling 'under control' until Trump won

Obama's team said it had Russian meddling 'under control' until Trump won, says GOP senator
 
It’s not about “hope.” It’s about waiting for the Mueller investigation before arriving at a conclusion of what it says. Barr is no different than every other garden variety trump supporter: corrupt and tasked exclusively with the duty of lying to protect Donald trump.

You described many "garden variety" Democrat supporters in your message telling of their duty to lie. Lying is the #1 tactic of the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party is full of politicians who are pathological liars in Congress with the deliberate goal to destroy the USA and every American (but the super rich that they worship and work for as their employees) figuring this harms President Trump. The Democratic Party should be declared a domestic terrorist organization and foreign spy organization and outlawed.
 
Yeah...it was TRUMP who was "derelict in his duty".



Please cite what "DUTY" he has been "derelict " in.....LIKE THIS ASSHOLE CLAERLY WAS:


Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks


Obama cyber chief confirms '''stand down''' order against Russian cyberattacks | Fox News



Obama's team said it had Russian meddling 'under control' until Trump won

Obama's team said it had Russian meddling 'under control' until Trump won, says GOP senator

Obama absolutely should be charged with obstruction of justice for his stand down order as a favor to Putin.
 
At some point stupidity morphed into complicity. Ignoring Trump’s obvious dereliction of duty to uphold the laws and norms set forth in the constitution, as is clearly pointed out in page after page of the Mueller Report, is being complicit. Stupidity is no longer an excuse.

care to cite those pages? mind you,I have read most of the report.

and please don't waste my time... I do not want MSM articles, i want citations of actual PAGES from Mueller.
 
Would it be possible for Democrats in Congress and on the MSM to do any more to try to force the Attorney General to investigate Democrats? People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.
 
There is no evidence that American citizens were spied upon by US Investigative or Intelligence Agents

In an official report, Democrats on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence asserted that “in their approach to Papadopoulos, the Russians used common tradecraft and employed a cut-out,” a “Kremlin-linked…Maltese professor named Joseph Mifsud.”
No one in the American intelligence community has publicly challenged this description.


But there is one major problem with this story: No evidence has been presented to support the claim. Although Mifsud has traveled many times to Russia and has contacts with Russian academics, his closest public ties are to Western governments, politicians, and institutions, including the CIA, FBI and British intelligence services. One of Mifsud’s jobs has been to train diplomats, police officers, and intelligence officers at schools in London and Rome, where he lived and worked over the last dozen years.
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/05/26/the_maltese_phantom_of_russiagate_.html

Over the last few months, Professor Joseph Mifsud has become a feather in the cap for those pushing the Trump-Russia narrative. He is characterized as a “Russian” intelligence asset in mainstream press, despite his declarations to the contrary. However, evidence has surfaced that suggests Mifsud was anything but a Russian spy, and may have actually worked for British intelligence. This new evidence culminates in the ground-breaking conclusion that the UK and its intelligence apparatus may be responsible for the invention of key pillars of the Trump-Russia scandal. If true, this would essentially turn the entire RussiaGate debacle on its head.

To give an idea of the scope of this report, a few central points showing the UK connections with the central pillars of the Trump-Russia claims are included here, in the order of discussion in this article:

  1. Mifsud allegedly discussed that Russia has ‘dirt’ on Clinton in the form of ‘thousands of emails’ with George Papadopoulos in London in April 2016.
  2. The following month, Papadopoulos spoke with Alexander Downer, Australia’s ambassador to the UK, about the alleged Russian dirt on Clinton while they were drinking at a swanky Kensington bar, according to The Times. In late July 2016, Downer shared his tip with Australian intelligence officials who forwarded it to the FBI.
  3. Robert Goldstone, a key figure in the ‘Trump Tower’ part of the RussiaGate narrative, sent Donald Trump Jr. an email claiming Russia wanted to help the Trump campaign. He is a British music promoter.
  4. Christopher Steele, ex-MI6, who worked as an MI6 agent in Moscow until 1993 and ran the Russia desk at MI6 HQ in London between 2006 and 2009. He produced the totally unsubstantiated ‘Steele Dossier’ of Trump-Russia allegations, with funding from the Clinton campaign and the DNC.
  5. Robert Hannigan, the head of British spy agency GCHQ, flew to Washington DC to share ‘director-to-director’ level intelligence with then-CIA Chief John Brennan.
Each of these strands of UK-tied elements of the Russiagate narrative can be substantially dismantled on close inspection. This untangling process leads to the surprising conclusion that UK intelligence services fabricated evidence of collusion in order to create the appearance of a Trump-Russia connection.
This trend begins with Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese scholar with an eclectic academic history who Quartz described as an “enigma,” while legacy press has enthusiastically characterized him as a central personality in the Trump-Russia scandal. The New York Times described Mifsud as an “enthusiastic promoter of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia”, citing his regular involvement in the annual meetings of the Valdai Discussion Club, a Russian-based think-tank, as well as three short articles he wrote in support of Russian policies.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...vidence-emerges-mifsuds-links-uk-intelligence

Mifsud has connection to UK intelligence, and he was the one that approached Papadopoulos with promises of Hillary dirt.
 

Four decades ago, Halper was responsible for a long-forgotten spying scandal involving the 1980 election, in which the Reagan campaign – using CIA officials managed by Halper, reportedly under the direction of former CIA Director and then-Vice-Presidential candidate George H.W. Bush – got caught running a spying operation from inside the Carter administration. The plot involved CIA operatives passing classified information about Carter’s foreign policy to Reagan campaign officials in order to ensure the Reagan campaign knew of any foreign policy decisions that Carter was considering.
https://theintercept.com/2018/05/19...-operation-in-the-1980-presidential-election/

Halpert apparently no stranger to political spying.

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and spying is the wrong term to apply in this case.

Using spies, but won't call it spying. :lamo

Either Authorized Surveillance or Unauthorized Surveillance is the correct terminology and Trump political hack Barr knows it. I have explained it more times than I can count.
Using spies, but won't call it spying. :lamo
Just because you repeat the same wrong thing doesn't magically make it correct.

I've already posted multiple times here that Barr is quite correct in his testimony before congress when he stated that the 'factual predicate' to justify the start of the investigation is key. It is. If that legal standard is met, if the factual predicate to justify the start of the investigation is met, then it was authorized spying / surveillance. If that factual predicate to justify the start of the investigation is not met, then it would be illegal and unauthorized spying.

There is no context for the use of the term Spying when discussing a US Intelligence of Investigative Agency like the FBI and a US Citizen.
Using spies, but won't call it spying. :lamo

The short version is that Spying within the context of Nation States is always a crime from the perspective of the targeted Nation State and punishable via Indictment to Prosecution. A US Investigative or Intelligence Officer may be accused of Unauthorized Surveillance of a US Citizen in which case if found to be culpable by an IG might be censured, dismissed or the worst cases Indicted to Prosecution. It is not in and off itself a crime punishable by Indictment to Prosecution whereas Spying always is a crime punishable by Indictment to Prosecution. They are apples and oranges not two different varieties of oranges.

Well, we hear that Horowitz is on an investigation for FISA abuses, which would be the key whether this spying was authorized or not authorized.
DOJ inspector general confirms yearlong investigation into FISA abuse is still active

And even Barr has stated that he's forming a team to investigate the factual predicate.

Why did you form that team? | C-SPAN.org
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4792056/form-team

Apr 10, 2019 - Shaheen asks Barr why he formed a team to investigate the FBI ... THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER IT WAS ADEQUATELY PREDICATED.
 
You answered your own question. Which is how the Right does questions and answers. Which is why your questions bore me. So do your powdered posts.

Hilarious. You said there was no truth in my original comment yet have never offered anything other than whiny complaints since. It's obvious you have nothing.
 
Yeah...it was TRUMP who was "derelict in his duty".



Please cite what "DUTY" he has been "derelict " in.....LIKE THIS ASSHOLE CLAERLY WAS:


Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks


Obama cyber chief confirms '''stand down''' order against Russian cyberattacks | Fox News



Obama's team said it had Russian meddling 'under control' until Trump won

Obama's team said it had Russian meddling 'under control' until Trump won, says GOP senator

Triggered much?

Barr lied to you and you still don't get it, keep eating the BS he feeds you.
 
Hilarious. You said there was no truth in my original comment yet have never offered anything other than whiny complaints since. It's obvious you have nothing.

What's obvious to the oblivious is that you're on the ropes. Actually you guys are well aware you've been on the defensive for more than a year, ever since your attempt failed to mangle the dossier. The dossier was there at the beginning and it will be there at the end. It's the dossier by the closest US ally the UK retired intelligence agent who specialized in Russia. Whoever hired him knew what they were doing and you know who hired Christopher Steele.

You and Trump are shred from the same rags, i.e., I know you are but what am I. It's what makes the MAGA crowd short term gainers and long term losers. Coming soon.
 
What's obvious to the oblivious is that you're on the ropes. Actually you guys are well aware you've been on the defensive for more than a year, ever since your attempt failed to mangle the dossier. The dossier was there at the beginning and it will be there at the end. It's the dossier by the closest US ally the UK retired intelligence agent who specialized in Russia. Whoever hired him knew what they were doing and you know who hired Christopher Steele.

You and Trump are shred from the same rags, i.e., I know you are but what am I. It's what makes the MAGA crowd short term gainers and long term losers. Coming soon.

Utterly hilarious. Even Steele says he has no clue if anything in the dossier is true. Yes, the reckoning is coming, for those who used this piece of crap to fraudulently get FISA warrants. Stay tuned.
 
Hilarious watching Barr, once again, PIMP SLAPPING the SOPHOMORIC IDIOCY from the Fake News clowns at the press conference.


One of my faves: Left Twit: "You said he (Trump) faced an unprecedented situation..."

Barr:"Well, is there another precedent for it? "


Left Twit: "No".


Barr: " So then calling it 'unprecedented' was an accurate description."


Left Twit: : Der....umm....duh...." :lamo

Barr magnificently exposes the MELTING DOWN LEFT for the PETULANT, LITTLE BRATS THAT THAY ARE...and SPANKED THEM ACCORDINGLY. :spank:


Dude, watch this!! twitter video
 
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