Attacking the NRA Is Really Attacking Everyday Americans

[Casper]

Yes absolutely. The majority of the country does. In fact, so does the majority of the NRA membership itself.

Do majority of NRA members support background checks for guns? | PolitiFact Ohio

So why doesn’t the NRA membership? Because they are not about representing the views of the average sane American, nor even the average sane NRA member or even gun owner.

They are a special interest group for gun manufacturers. And these manufacturers, like the tobacco industry, could care less about the health, welfare, or safety of the average American, or even the average NRA member on wn whose back they are riding like they were some kind of beast of burden.. They just want to make money.

We already have background checks, whether the NRA backs that or not is irrelevant. I just have to add, this tactic of calling NRA members and gun owners insane is not doing much for your cause, such tactics are obviously False and tends to turn off more people than bring them into line.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Here is the deeper reason: When something is easy and fun to do, people will do it.

When my kid was little, he saw that if he scratched on his toy blackboard with a metal gadget he had, it made a horrible noise that would make everyone's hair stand on end and get a rise out of everyone. So he kept doing it once in a while. He thought it was hilarious. So we put the metal gadget out of reach on a top shelf.

Out of sight, out of mind. Problem solved.

The idea that we need a government with absolute power to treat all adult citizens as if they were misbehaving children with no rights handle metal gadgets is insane. Your example is since one child misbehaved using a metal gadget the metal gadget was removed from that child's reach - the solution showed no need for a nationwide ban on all metal gadgets.

 

[Casper]

Here is the deeper reason: When something is easy and fun to do, people will do it.

When my kid was little, he saw that if he scratched on his toy blackboard with a metal gadget he had, it made a horrible noise that would make everyone's hair stand on end and get a rise out of everyone. So he kept doing it once in a while. He thought it was hilarious. So we put the metal gadget out of reach on a top shelf.

Out of sight, out of mind. Problem solved.

The problem is that we are not talking about children and by the way they own that gadget, and there is no legal way you can take it away unless they do something really wrong.

 

[Manc Skipper]

The NRA is in a death spiral, murdered by kids who are tired of being shot at. The NRA is a cancer on American society. It needs chemo.

 

[Mach]

The idea that we need a government with absolute power to treat all adult citizens as if they were misbehaving children with no rights handle metal gadgets is insane.

Obviously treating deadly firearms designed to efficiently kill humans quickly as simply "metal gadgets" , is insane. Gods man.

 

[poweRob]

When I was a Democrat, the Democrat party was the party of civil rights and equality before the law.

Increasingly now, Democrats are the party of removing rights and favoritism based on special interest.

John Kennedy weeps for what his party has become.

OMG.. You made the first response tot he OP and...

1) not even related to the OP
2) I seriously doubt you were ever a part of the DEMOCRATIC party
3) JFK was a proud PROUD liberal.

 

[ataraxia]

We already have background checks, whether the NRA backs that or not is irrelevant. I just have to add, this tactic of calling NRA members and gun owners insane is not doing much for your cause, such tactics are obviously False and tends to turn off more people than bring them into line.

If we already have functional background checks, then what is it that most Americans, as well as most NRA members, are against here:

Do majority of NRA members support background checks for guns? | PolitiFact Ohio

 

[ataraxia]

The idea that we need a government with absolute power to treat all adult citizens as if they were misbehaving children with no rights handle metal gadgets is insane. Your example is since one child misbehaved using a metal gadget the metal gadget was removed from that child's reach - the solution showed no need for a nationwide ban on all metal gadgets.

So why do we keep nukes out of the hands of the public? We need to treat the general public with more respect and trust them more, don’t we?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Obviously treating deadly firearms designed to efficiently kill humans quickly as simply "metal gadgets" , is insane. Gods man.

No more insane than treating adult, law abiding, citizens as annoying children.

 

[Moderate Right]

And what is that suppose to indicate to you?

here was your boast



The one you just produced does NOT even show that. You could not even back up your claim.

Funny how you can't even make out a red map. Do you deny that 2/3's of the country has Republican governors and Republican state legislatures, and that's not even talking about the federal government.

 

[ttwtt78640]

So why do we keep nukes out of the hands of the public? We need to treat the general public with more respect and trust them more, don’t we?

Semi-auto guns are not nukes. Nobody is advocating the use of nukes, or even hand grenades, for home or personal defense use.

 

[Vox]

a teeny tiny minority belong to the NRA - and even less follow their extremist leaders. So attacking the positions of leadership hardly is attacking everyday Americans.

Your statement proves how little you know about gun owners.

Most of us are not NRA members.......but we are quite happy to have the NRA out there taking the lead in protecting our rights.

We sure as hell don't want any rights taken away from us and we know that when the gun-haters get a victory they will waste no time in moving on to the next demand to take away MORE of our rights.

So, don't think of it in terms of just NRA members........think in terms of the 42% of households in America that have guns for self-defense and recreation.

And that number, by the way, is growing as more people, especially women, are drawn to the comfort of having a gun to protect themselves in an increasingly dangerous world.

Us gun owners appreciate and agree with the NRA......even those of the 42% who have not actually become members.

We know who our friends are.

 

[independentusa]

From the Washington Post, of all places:



Yep. And they vote, too.

You really think that the NRA gives a damn about everyday Americans, NOT! All they care about is selling guns, collecting their fees from the gun makers and power. They took money for one of our nations enemies to elect a president, which shows they also don't give a damn about our country either. The fact that they have fooled so many people in our country shows the level of ignorance in America. They have absolutely nothing to do with average Americans.

 

[Moderate Right]

First off land doesn't vote- PEOPLE do, the vast partially populated land really doesn't mean as much as you think.

Second the Dems are flipping long held GOP seats at the local level- to the point national leaders are worried.

Third- just how many here are/were members of the NRA???

I was when I competed in F-Class. The deluge of fearmongering propaganda was sickening. Roughly one percent of America are NRA members and I'd opine not so representative of firearm owners or regular citizens...

The leadership is as out there as any 'leftie' wing nut.

Be careful what you boast about, the gerrymandered districts are being successfully fought in court- the change could be bigger than a few local seats here or there... eace

The vast majority of the country is red. There are people in states and 30 states voted for Trump out of (we'll say 50). That means 60% of the country is red. However, that doesn't change the fact that 67% of the states have Republican governors and state legislatures. No matter which way you slice it, the majority of the country is red and that's why the states are red, the Supreme Court is red, the Senate is red, and the House is red. In fact, the 2016 election was very much about the vacancy on the Supreme Court and the second amendment and Trump was elected because the majority of the states (again, 60%) are strongly against Democrats being at the helm in regards to gun control legislation. To deny those facts is insanity.

 

[Moderate Right]

First you said the country was ALL RED.



That was a falsehood and you own ridiculous map proves it. So you were WRONG in that statement.

Second, the map does not measure human beings who voted, it ascribes color to land or territory which is grossly deceiving as it treats a small space like New York with millions of votes and a small space in the middle of Wyoming with less than 100 votes with the same weight. And that renders these maps a s intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

But you knew that when you used it and did not care because all this has been explained before.

So, you admit that the huge majority of the country is red. That wasn't so hard, was it?

 

[Casper]

If we already have functional background checks, then what is it that most Americans, as well as most NRA members, are against here:

Do majority of NRA members support background checks for guns? | PolitiFact Ohio

Background checks required for Private sales, how did you miss that?

 

[dobieg]

The only people who need guns are the police. There is simply no reason for civilians to have weapons that can take life when they have not shown they are responsible enough to own one or have the need for additional protection like a head of state might or famous actor or athlete.

 

[ataraxia]

Background checks required for Private sales, how did you miss that?

I didn’t miss it. You did. You said we already have good background checks. Obviously, most people don’t believe we do. Even NRA members. So why are you playing silly word games when people are dying?

 

[ataraxia]

Semi-auto guns are not nukes. Nobody is advocating the use of nukes, or even hand grenades, for home or personal defense use.

No one has any business using an AR15 for home defense use either. A simple handgun will do just fine. It’s ridiculous.

 

[Cardinal]

From the Washington Post, of all places:



Yep. And they vote, too.

"The NRA is a grass-roots organization made up of millions of decent, patriotic Americans who believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens make our country safer, not more dangerous. To suggest that it is responsible for what happened in Parkland is obscene."

It's not "obscene," it's just fact. The NRA is an advertising and lobbying firm for the gun manufacturing industry, and the policies they've successfully implemented for decades have led to the mass saturation of guns and ammunition in the public. They are completely responsible.

 

[ataraxia]

The vast majority of the country is red. There are people in states and 30 states voted for Trump out of (we'll say 50). That means 60% of the country is red. However, that doesn't change the fact that 67% of the states have Republican governors and state legislatures. No matter which way you slice it, the majority of the country is red and that's why the states are red, the Supreme Court is red, the Senate is red, and the House is red. In fact, the 2016 election was very much about the vacancy on the Supreme Court and the second amendment and Trump was elected because the majority of the states (again, 60%) are strongly against Democrats being at the helm in regards to gun control legislation. To deny those facts is insanity.

But the blue part of the country is who’s paying the bills.
Another Clinton-Trump divide: High-output America vs low-output America

 

[Cardinal]

The vast majority of the country is red. There are people in states and 30 states voted for Trump out of (we'll say 50). That means 60% of the country is red. However, that doesn't change the fact that 67% of the states have Republican governors and state legislatures. No matter which way you slice it, the majority of the country is red and that's why the states are red, the Supreme Court is red, the Senate is red, and the House is red. In fact, the 2016 election was very much about the vacancy on the Supreme Court and the second amendment and Trump was elected because the majority of the states (again, 60%) are strongly against Democrats being at the helm in regards to gun control legislation. To deny those facts is insanity.

Um...Trump lost the popular vote. That doesn't exactly communicate "the vast majority of the country is red." Now if what you meant is that the geographical distribution of voters is such that the vast majority of districts is red, then yes, then you would be correct.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No one has any business using an AR15 for home defense use either. A simple handgun will do just fine. It’s ridiculous.

Why did we see so many Floriduh police with them? Why was one successfully used to stop the Texas church mass shooter? The simple fact is that rifles are better for an effective longer range shot. A Yugo might do just fine but that is no reason to ban a BMW.

 

[LaylaWindu]

From the Washington Post, of all places:



Yep. And they vote, too.

This is pretty stupid and some of the typical dishonesty so many things in the media right left and center have nowadays. Disagreeing with something the NRA does, attacking something they do or not liking ANY large orgs and their money basically blackmailing politicians is not the same as saying they are responsible for what happened in parkland.

I agree saying the NRA is responsible for Parkland is counter productive and part of the problem, it hinders civil honest debate. But so is claiming that attacking the NRA in anyway is attacking everyday americans. That is also dishonest malarkey that is part of the problem.

Both claims are stupid and dishonest and part of the problem.

 

[VanceMack]

Attacking the NRA:
- is attacking Americans
- is an attack on freedom
- is an attempt to confiscate all firearms
- is against god's will (since the head of the NRA said it's god's granted right)

Until you guys grow the **** up, you'll hold the world hostage with guns, and continue to say it's freedom.

:lamo We don’t hold the world hostage. The world is just fine dealing with their own crap. As for the US, the NRA defends the rights of 120 million gun owning Americans. So you bet...the NRA defends Americans that are being attacked by mindless leftist ****s promoting gun control measures they know won’t do a damn bit of good. The NRA is absolutely defending our freedoms. Those freedoms were deemed so important and necessary that they were SPECIFICALLY written into the Constitution. And you bet...leftists in this country have already laid out their intent to ban not just ARs but every semiautomatic weapon out there. For starters. And yes...indeed...not only the head of the NRA but the founding fathers also agreed that the freedoms we enjoy are ordained of God. It’s unfortunate that there has to be a writ that guarantees the rights and freedoms of citizens...but there it is.


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