Atheists Don't Exist

[Angel]

well, than I do not exist if your opinion is accurate, and guess what, I am an atheist and your comments are not accurate.

The person bearing the username "Peter King" probably exists. That an atheist bearing the username "Peter King" exists cannot be proved, by Internet Skeptic standards.

 

[Peter King]

The person bearing the username "Peter King" probably exists. That an atheist bearing the username "Peter King" exists cannot be proved, by Internet Skeptic standards.

Nonsense. Sorry, but it is nonsense. And my name is not really King, Peter is my first name but my Dutch name is not possible to pronounce by anybody but Dutch or South African descent LOL.

King is my favorite writer (Stephen King) and my favorite musician (Elvis the King of Rock and Roll Presley). My last name has "van der V" in it. Not easy to pronounce.

And I am 100% atheist, even by fake internet skeptic standards (that are not standardized at all).

 

[narrowroad]

Yawn.

There are interesting discussions to be had on the subject of whether God exists. This just isn't an example of one.

As a matter of fact, it's the kind of conversation people I knew would have in college, after having ingested a lot of beer and/or various psychoactive substances. :lol:

I found it very interesting.. too bad people can't speak for themselves

main point seems to be: just bc you can't "prove" something doesn't mean it is not true

 

[Angel]

Nonsense. Sorry, but it is nonsense....
And I am 100% atheist, even by fake internet skeptic standards (that are not standardized at all).

Well, then let's make sure we don't make similar nonsensical demands of theists, yes?

 

[Quag]

Well, then let's make sure we don't make similar nonsensical demands of theists, yes?

Nobody is claiming theists dont exist but if you think you can use this thread to Prone God you are sorely mistaken

 

[Angel]

This is read thus:
Internet Skepticism is to atheism as Internet Skepticism is to theism.

It's a caveat.
(One really must spell things out gor this lost!)

 

[Angel]

It's a caveat.
(One really must spell things out gor this lost!)

And Angel needs to learn how to type and get better glasses.
"gor this lost" = for this lot

Oy!

 

[devildavid]

Read again.

Read what again?

 

[devildavid]

You've expressed, in your own words, the thesis of this thread, though you apparently are unaware of this.

I'm quite aware that this thread has no thesis.

 

[devildavid]

This is read thus:
Internet Skepticism is to atheism as Internet Skepticism is to theism.

Don't forget about Internet Philosophy and Internet Theism.

 

[Drowning Man]

It’s funny that you want to equate the existence of something fairly mundane (someone who doesn’t believe as you do) with something extraordinary (a supreme being).

Let’s compare apples to apples.

You could say that you need proof of believers and non-believers...that would be a valid comparison.
Or, you could say that you need proof “God” and Fairies...that would be another valid comparison.

But, I’m sure this was posted tongue in cheek, so I won’t try to take it too seriously.

 

[weaver2]

As my OP points out in parentheses, I am using the word "proof" in the loose way adopted by Internet skeptics. Accounting for an ism does not prove that any individual believes the ism.

Urban Dictionary
Skeptic: A human who claims to use logic, science, and reason to irrationally confirm their biases.


Skeptic: I only believe the evidence.

Someone: Here's some evidence.

Skeptic: Sorry that's the wrong kind of evidence. I prefer evidence I already agree with.

 

[Angel]

Urban Dictionary
Skeptic: A human who claims to use logic, science, and reason to irrationally confirm their biases.


Skeptic: I only believe the evidence.

Someone: Here's some evidence.

Skeptic: Sorry that's the wrong kind of evidence. I prefer evidence I already agree with.

Discard your dictionaries and read Dostoyevsky.

 

[zyzygy]

Urban Dictionary
Skeptic: A human who claims to use logic, science, and reason to irrationally confirm their biases.


Skeptic: I only believe the evidence.

Someone: Here's some evidence.

Skeptic: Sorry that's the wrong kind of evidence. I prefer evidence I already agree with.

Skeptic: Your beliefs are not evidence. Look up the definition of the word evidence.

 

[rickc]

God is not the problem

Man made religion is the problem

 

[Angel]

Skeptic: Your beliefs are not evidence. Look up the definition of the word evidence.

Internet Skepticism: Dopey Dick Dawkins Doppelgangerism

 

[Frank Apisa]

Nonsense. Sorry, but it is nonsense. And my name is not really King, Peter is my first name but my Dutch name is not possible to pronounce by anybody but Dutch or South African descent LOL.

King is my favorite writer (Stephen King) and my favorite musician (Elvis the King of Rock and Roll Presley). My last name has "van der V" in it. Not easy to pronounce.

And I am 100% atheist, even by fake internet skeptic standards (that are not standardized at all).

Peter...would you give me a more detailed description of what you mean by a 100% atheist. There seems to be a divergence between what some say atheism is...and what it has to be. The "100%" comment caught my attention.

 

[Peter King]

Peter...would you give me a more detailed description of what you mean by a 100% atheist. There seems to be a divergence between what some say atheism is...and what it has to be. The "100%" comment caught my attention.

With the 100% I mean I was born and bred an atheist. My mother is an atheist, my grandmother and grandfather were atheists. I am not a lapsed or converted atheist, I am born one. In my registration at the local authority (in the Netherlands everybody has to go into the basic governmental database, so no need for censuses) behind my name it says atheist. As this was something you registered in the past.

I am not baptized, only been to a church service three times. One time with my school at the chapel at Windsor Castle (my teacher was a friend of the reverend of that royal chapel), once for a funeral when I was 18 and once in my thirties when a co-worker married. I wanted to go to service in city hall but we drew and I lost and had to go to the church service (we couldn't all go to city hall, the office had to remain open).

And all three times I thought I am so happy I do not believe in this charade, because to me as an atheist, that is what it feels like. Some stupid priest telling the parents of that 25 year old man it was god's will for him to be dead. The marriage service was slow and not at all my taste, especially when they went to pray at some shrine for getting pregnant soon. And the Windsor chapel felt like I was sight seeing. I did not hear a word that was said and just marveled at the artwork and regal stuff in that chapel.

 

[weaver2]

Discard your dictionaries and read Dostoyevsky.

Bros. Karamazov: typical dysfunctional Russian family; typical Russian vacillation and tortured philosophizing; typical Russian use of philosophizing to avoid addressing their dysfunctional lives. The only difference between Russian literature and Inuit winter storytelling is that Inuit stories are designed to induce sleep. Their stories all begin, "No one has ever heard this story to the end.”The Russians should be so honest. The only good Russian storyteller is Isaac Bashevis Singer and he's Polish.

 

[Frank Apisa]

With the 100% I mean I was born and bred an atheist. My mother is an atheist, my grandmother and grandfather were atheists. I am not a lapsed or converted atheist, I am born one. In my registration at the local authority (in the Netherlands everybody has to go into the basic governmental database, so no need for censuses) behind my name it says atheist. As this was something you registered in the past.

I am not baptized, only been to a church service three times. One time with my school at the chapel at Windsor Castle (my teacher was a friend of the reverend of that royal chapel), once for a funeral when I was 18 and once in my thirties when a co-worker married. I wanted to go to service in city hall but we drew and I lost and had to go to the church service (we couldn't all go to city hall, the office had to remain open).

And all three times I thought I am so happy I do not believe in this charade, because to me as an atheist, that is what it feels like. Some stupid priest telling the parents of that 25 year old man it was god's will for him to be dead. The marriage service was slow and not at all my taste, especially when they went to pray at some shrine for getting pregnant soon. And the Windsor chapel felt like I was sight seeing. I did not hear a word that was said and just marveled at the artwork and regal stuff in that chapel.

Thank you, Peter. I still am not sure what "atheist" means for you...but I identify with the rest of your comments.

At one point, I was religious...and as a Catholic I was lucky enough to have served Mass in St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. (My liturgical Latin was superb.) I envy your Windsor Chapel experience (I spent two years in England but never went to Windsor Castle)...although as you might imagine, the artwork in St. Peter's is considerable.

If I could impose once more...I'd try to get a better understanding of what your "atheism" is.

Some atheists assert there are no gods...or assert a "belief" that there are any gods.

Some atheists assert they are atheists simply because they lack a "belief in" any gods.

That second group, when engaged in conversation on the issue, seem rather sure that the notion of gods is absurd...and I suspect that plays a part in why they use the descriptor "atheist."

Are you more of the first type of atheist...or the second?

 

[Peter King]

Thank you, Peter. I still am not sure what "atheist" means for you...but I identify with the rest of your comments.

At one point, I was religious...and as a Catholic I was lucky enough to have served Mass in St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. (My liturgical Latin was superb.) I envy your Windsor Chapel experience (I spent two years in England but never went to Windsor Castle)...although as you might imagine, the artwork in St. Peter's is considerable.

If I could impose once more...I'd try to get a better understanding of what your "atheism" is.

Some atheists assert there are no gods...or assert a "belief" that there are any gods.

Some atheists assert they are atheists simply because they lack a "belief in" any gods.

That second group, when engaged in conversation on the issue, seem rather sure that the notion of gods is absurd...and I suspect that plays a part in why they use the descriptor "atheist."

Are you more of the first type of atheist...or the second?

I am the first type of atheists, magic creatures/gods/angels do not exist.

And don't get me wrong, the artistic quality of some churches/religious art is magnificent. I visited a few churches for art watching. One local one, the San Marco in Venice and St. Paul's cathedral. I admire the art and the beauty of the building. I think I will visit the "Nieuwe Kerk" (new church) in Leiden because that is where William of Orange, the father of our country is buried and the grave is stunningly beautiful.

I may not believe in gods but as a whole I do not denounce people for having another opinion. But when they try to "convert me" or claim the bible is a literal history book of mankind, well, then I say my piece. There is a priest/poet in the Netherlands who says the bible is a book of tales meant to inform and make people think and learn/better themselves. Bible verses to him are lessons to not be taken literally but metaphorically to teach people right from wrong.

 

[Daisy]

With the 100% I mean I was born and bred an atheist. My mother is an atheist, my grandmother and grandfather were atheists. I am not a lapsed or converted atheist, I am born one. In my registration at the local authority (in the Netherlands everybody has to go into the basic governmental database, so no need for censuses) behind my name it says atheist. As this was something you registered in the past.

I am not baptized, only been to a church service three times. One time with my school at the chapel at Windsor Castle (my teacher was a friend of the reverend of that royal chapel), once for a funeral when I was 18 and once in my thirties when a co-worker married. I wanted to go to service in city hall but we drew and I lost and had to go to the church service (we couldn't all go to city hall, the office had to remain open).

And all three times I thought I am so happy I do not believe in this charade, because to me as an atheist, that is what it feels like. Some stupid priest telling the parents of that 25 year old man it was god's will for him to be dead. The marriage service was slow and not at all my taste, especially when they went to pray at some shrine for getting pregnant soon. And the Windsor chapel felt like I was sight seeing. I did not hear a word that was said and just marveled at the artwork and regal stuff in that chapel.

You're right, the stupid priest doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...if he knew his Bible, he would know that is not true...far from it...

 

[Peter King]

You're right, the stupid priest doesn't have any idea what he's talking about...if he knew his Bible, he would know that is not true...far from it...

That is what he said, it was god's will that he was killed in that car crash, driving drunk, way too fast, ramming into the side of a car that did not expect him to drive twice the legal speed limit. This was not "gods" will, this was a drunk idiot speeding himself into an early grave.

I think they say it as a way to "ease the pain" of a sudden death but I think it just adds to the pain.

 

[Daisy]

That is what he said, it was god's will that he was killed in that car crash, driving drunk, way too fast, ramming into the side of a car that did not expect him to drive twice the legal speed limit. This was not "gods" will, this was a drunk idiot speeding himself into an early grave.

I think they say it as a way to "ease the pain" of a sudden death but I think it just adds to the pain.

I agree with everything you said...his case was more of a "reaping what you sow" event...the Bible warns us against such things as overindulging in alcohol for good reason...if we ignore that, then it's only natural we suffer the consequences in one way or another...sadly, this man lost his life, as did my BIL, with developing cirrhosis...God is not to blame nor is it His desire to have another angel in heaven, as I've also heard preachers say...that's just crazy...God created man to live on the earth, that was His purpose in the beginning and it will be fulfilled...

"As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah,
But the earth he has given to the sons of men." Psalm 115:16

 

[Angel]

Resetting​

Do Atheists Exist?

Apparently not.

Not by the standards of Internet skepticism they don't.

At the very least there is no reason to believe that atheists exist.
(This to match the more tempered skeptical claim.)

Internet skeptics demand proof of God's existence.
Internet skeptics jeer at mystery presented as evidence.
Internet skeptics reject personal testimony out of hand.

(I use the word "prove" throughout in the loose sense popularized by Internet skeptics of course.)

So let us turn the tables on the Internet Skeptic.

Let's demand a proof of the existence of atheists.

Let us reject personal testimony as evidence.

(But let's leave the jeering to the Internet Skeptic, yes?)

The purpose and point of this thread is to show the Internet Skeptic the folly of his ways.

(Drum roll please)

because by the standards of the Internet Skeptic

Atheists Don't Exist



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