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Are people too stupid for democracy to work?

Are people too stupid for democracy to work>

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 57.1%
  • No

    Votes: 18 42.9%

  • Total voters
    42
Hitler is arguable, but the rest were overtly democratic.

Uh huh. Pol Pot was democratic. The guy who had his rivals---and thousands of Cambodians---shot.

Stalin was democratic. The guy who invented creating, for a lack of a better word, unpersons.

Wow. That sets a new standard for stupidity
 
Uh huh. Pol Pot was democratic. The guy who had his rivals---and thousands of Cambodians---shot.

Stalin was democratic. The guy who invented creating, for a lack of a better word, unpersons.

Wow. That sets a new standard for stupidity

Are you just going to insult me, or are you actually asserting that I'm incorrect?
 
The problem isn't from the bottom up, it's from the top down. The people controlling the country are non-elected at this point. They're part of a global, decentralized enterprise. They're in the pockets of all our democratic institutions, and our media. Over time it's natural that the public will see things their way because everyone is on information overload these days.

At least the internet is somewhat democratizing, if people care to use it to get real information.

Honestly, the only way for the west to salvage its decaying democracies, at this point, is to democratize the financial institutions. We can't trust any one particular institution to control the money supply anymore. Watching the debacle over Greece in Europe proved that... there were private parties openly dictating to government what to do next, and the government listening. Pretty blatant.
 
You are incorrect. That's a fact. The USSR wasn't a democracy.

Do you know what the acronym USSR stood for?

You really should try to educate yourself before saying foolish things.
 
Do you know what the acronym USSR stood for?

You really should try to educate yourself before saying foolish things.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It was certainly not a democracy, as the mass disappearances, brutal crackdowns on dissent, and secret police evidenced.
 
Wow. Just wow.

Do you think North Korea or Libya under Gaddafi were "democratic"

Don't know about Libya, but NK is another excellent example of how terrible democracy can be.
 
Don't know about Libya, but NK is another excellent example of how terrible democracy can be.

Their not democratic though! Not even close, goddamn it! They've had one family running the country for sixty years. They're more like a monarchy at this point then a communist state.
 
Trump and Clinton being the only nominees left standing, is a prime example of why America is going to ****.
 
The democratic process relies on the assumption that citizens (the majority of them, at least) can recognize the best political candidate, or best policy idea, when they see it. But a growing body of research has revealed an unfortunate aspect of the human psyche that would seem to disprove this notion, and imply instead that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies.

Read more: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say | Why the Best Candidate Never Wins | Psychology



If when the voters allow the continuing corruption of government by lobbyist, yes, then I would say they are too stupid.
 
People in democracies tend to be much more dissatisfied with the government then those in monarchies.

It's far easier to be disatisfied with something when you have choices or control than when you don't, and vice versa.

A great example is actually seen by looking at viewing habits with cable and Netflix. People are more apt to just accept, stop, and watch a random movie on tv, while ignoring that same movie and being unable to decide or be happy with what to watch on Netflix. Paralysis of choice.
 
It's far easier to be disatisfied with something when you have choices or control than when you don't, and vice versa.

A great example is actually seen by looking at viewing habits with cable and Netflix. People are more apt to just accept, stop, and watch a random movie on tv, while ignoring that same movie and being unable to decide or be happy with what to watch on Netflix. Paralysis of choice.

This seems like a good explanation.
 
While I voted yes to this poll, I think the correct term is ignorant rather than stupid. Our modern, extremely complex world of information far exceeds the knowledge required to make informed decisions by individuals on all but a few issues. No single individual can possibly be well versed in all the matters of concern. So we go with general ideology and gut feelings on most matters. That's why people can be so easily manipulated to think a certain way by those posing what seem to be plausible arguments.
 
It drives me nuts when everyone says they want term limits for Congress but complain and say that Congress would never pass a term limits bill. Vote the bastards out. Simple solution. After two terms vote the bastards out. Term limits come from the people in a democracy. People are too stupid, too lazy or willfully ignorant to vote the bastards out! Congress knows this and it is why Congress continues to rape the Constitution and the People. Because they can. Who is going to stop them? The voting public? :lamo

Survey after survey continues to report that Americans fed the hell up with Congress. Americans do not trust Congress. Americans give Congress a very unfavorable rating. However, we all know that most Americans will send the same bastards they don't like, the same bastards they don't trust back to Congress whenever their Congress people are up for re-election!

The fallacy of that is people want to vote out all of the OTHER congressmen while re-electing their own. You can't vote the rascals out if you don't vote your own guy out.
 
The democratic process relies on the assumption that citizens (the majority of them, at least) can recognize the best political candidate, or best policy idea, when they see it. But a growing body of research has revealed an unfortunate aspect of the human psyche that would seem to disprove this notion, and imply instead that democratic elections produce mediocre leadership and policies.

Read more: People Aren't Smart Enough for Democracy to Flourish, Scientists Say | Why the Best Candidate Never Wins | Psychology

I heard a republican strategist say something to this effect in the 80's. He argued to U of I students that parties need to merely pick someone likeable and avoid policy issues as much as possible because the public was too stupid to understand them. I remember being quite angry by that.

Now, I keep thinking he may have a point.
 
I'd like to say no, but....

Yeah. Looking at things historically, Democracies tend to fare rather poorly. Either people vote for something stupid that brings about their downfall, some particular voting block gains too much power, and basically uses it to turn the whole system into a self-serving tool aimed at forwarding their own interests and oppressing all others, or corruption and the accumulation of power in certain hands basically turns the whole thing into a de facto oligarchy.

I really don't see our own society bucking this trend. If anything, we're proving the rule.

The only major upside to Democracy is that feeling like they have a say tends to keeps people happy, and therefore minimizes conflict and frees up resources - that more authoritarian governments typically have to devote to keeping people in line - towards other, more productive, uses. However, if civil society breaks down due out of control factionalism, demographic rivalry, or irreconcilable ideological differences, that benefit kind of goes right out the window.

More indirect Republican systems of government were meant to keep such problems in check, by redirecting public sentiment towards productive ends, and limiting the amount of damage populist direct democracy can do. Unfortunately though, democratic pressure tends to slowly but surely erode such counter-measures over time, making the issues mentioned above more or less inevitable in the long run.

Basically this. Yes, Democracies are dangerous. That's why we should have a Republic.
 
Being stupid or smart has nothing to do with it. Democracy is always doomed for the same reason; self service. We've heard them all: "When you take from Peter to pay Paul, you can always depend on Paul's vote.", "Santa Clause will always get the recipient's vote.", etc.

Even smart people like free stuff, and will vote accordingly.
 
My first point is that democracies do not work, which is why our founding fathers created a Republic.

But your question is geared toward the republic, per your OP, when asking about electing representatives. And yes, most people are too ignorant (not stupid necessarily, just often misinformed). Though it is obviously frustrating, the question is: What's better? Do we really have a choice or should we silence voters? The answer seems to be to find a way to inform the voters with objective information. A fantasy, really.
 
It drives me nuts when everyone says they want term limits for Congress but complain and say that Congress would never pass a term limits bill. Vote the bastards out. Simple solution. After two terms vote the bastards out. Term limits come from the people in a democracy. People are too stupid, too lazy or willfully ignorant to vote the bastards out! Congress knows this and it is why Congress continues to rape the Constitution and the People. Because they can. Who is going to stop them? The voting public? :lamo

Survey after survey continues to report that Americans fed the hell up with Congress. Americans do not trust Congress. Americans give Congress a very unfavorable rating. However, we all know that most Americans will send the same bastards they don't like, the same bastards they don't trust back to Congress whenever their Congress people are up for re-election!

Thats exactly why we need term limits. We cant trust the voters to vote people out. Also, everyone loves their OWN congressman. They dont everyone elses.
 
My first point is that democracies do not work, which is why our founding fathers created a Republic.

But your question is geared toward the republic, per your OP, when asking about electing representatives. And yes, most people are too ignorant (not stupid necessarily, just often misinformed). Though it is obviously frustrating, the question is: What's better? Do we really have a choice or should we silence voters? The answer seems to be to find a way to inform the voters with objective information. A fantasy, really.

Whats better is smaller govt, smaller countries. Stupid people electing stupid reps doesnt matter so much when they only do a few things. Govt is so big now that its impossible to be informed, impossible to know your rep.
 
Whats better is smaller govt, smaller countries. Stupid people electing stupid reps doesnt matter so much when they only do a few things. Govt is so big now that its impossible to be informed, impossible to know your rep.

It's also impossible to be WELL informed on all but a handful of issues. That's why people primarily vote ideology before individual candidate.
 
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