Are Democrats Dumb Enough to Actually Vote For Impeachment

[Moderate Right]

Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

So the question is, if they hold a vote, and only Democrats vote for it, they don't even realize whats going to happen in the Senate?

They have no clue that every witness Schiff has refused to allow to testify will take the stand? They don't think the Whistle Blower will be called (even in a closed setting) to expose the relationship with Schiff and Biden?

They can't be so stupid. Can they? After what they have put this country through on an exclusively partisan quest, putting this in the hands of a Republican Senate will be a blood fest.

If they don't have a single Republican now, do they actually think they will get enough in the Senate to unseat a president? Of course they don't.

Thats the idiocy of this entire ordeal.

The whole thing is just an attempt to score partisan political points to be used in the election. Meanwhile, Trump is getting wads and wads of money in donations.

 

[Condor060]

The whole thing is just an attempt to score partisan political points to be used in the election. Meanwhile, Trump is getting wads and wads of money in donations.

Its so funny how posters salivating over the Democrats partisan impeachment don't even have a clue as how it has provided the Trump campaign over 350 million in donations. The highest in history for a presidential candidate was Obama at 145 million.

Then you add the DNC being bankrupt and they still don't get it.

 

[Moderate Right]

We'll see. The testimony thus far has been very consistent. Trump drove the bus. He used Giuliani to take back-channel methods of getting to Ukraine and press Trump's demands. Funds were withheld. Trump has been obstructing the investigation.

The idiocy of the whole thing is how obviously partisan the GOP-Partisans have come in order to defend their brand over the Republic.

The witnesses themselves testified there was no bribery and no quid pro quo. Even the Ukranian president said he was not pressured in any way. Hell, he didn't even know that funds had been held up! Trump's own words mentioned nothing about a quid pro quo bribery scheme. That's just Democrats and their witnesses presuming things. Yes, the whole thing is partisan, that's why the handful of Republicans who started out with an open mind in both the House and the Senate will not vote to impeach.

 

[Luckyone]

Your answer is (and still is)

You have NEVER EVER addressed those points in ANY of my post. All you have ever done is deflect to your own theories. Just like you are here.

Let me be brutally honest with you. In the 1+ year that I have been on this board and the countless of posts between us during that period of time, never have you backed off from your blind support of Trump, even when given incontravertible proof of wrong doing.

As such, it has become impossible to take you seriously as a person with whom to debate with.

You are asking for answers from me? How many hundreds of times did I ask the same of you are all you did was deflect or ignore the questions.

You are not someone I take seriously. I no longer answer any of your posts with the idea of it being a debate. Simply stated, you are not worth the effort.

Sorry, but that is the way I see it. Not to mention the fact that once again your OP is full of misinformation and wrong assumptions, as all of your posts always are.

I treat our conversations as if I was going to a circus. Just there to enjoy the show and the clowns.

 

[Moderate Right]

Censure of the President would of been a better option and probably of gotten more bipartisan support. If the House does impeach the senate could easily prolong their process into primary season. This would put Warren and Sanders at a real disadvantage. While they’re sitting in the Senate hearing testimony Biden will be the sole front runner on the campaign trail. The conspiracy theorist in me says that was the Democratic establishment plan the whole time to tilt the primaries in Biden’s favor.

While being a conspiracy theory, it could hold some truth to it.

 

[Mr Person]

Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

So the question is, if they hold a vote, and only Democrats vote for it, they don't even realize whats going to happen in the Senate?

They have no clue that every witness Schiff has refused to allow to testify will take the stand? They don't think the Whistle Blower will be called (even in a closed setting) to expose the relationship with Schiff and Biden?

They can't be so stupid. Can they? After what they have put this country through on an exclusively partisan quest, putting this in the hands of a Republican Senate will be a blood fest.

If they don't have a single Republican now, do they actually think they will get enough in the Senate to unseat a president? Of course they don't.

Thats the idiocy of this entire ordeal.

Oh look. A MAGA is trying to gaslight us.




Again.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

You can ignore the testimony all you want. Its in the record and provided on youtube for all to see. How many would you like me to provide?
You can ignore this is a partisan impeachment all you want but the voters won't.
You can ignore the fact that assumptions and presumptions are not evidence all you want.
You can ignore the fact that every single witness testified they have no knowledge of anything.

I really don't care. Its up to the voters to decide. But I will guarantee you this. A Senate trial under Republican control will bring in the whistle blower and a host of witnesses Schiff wouldn't allow to testify. But even in the face of a bankrupt, non supported DNC and a host of candidates that can't raise enough money to even be in a presidential race you will continue to overlook all the obvious events just because you hate Trump.

Trump will not be removed and there isn't a single candidate that can beat him in an election. Thats just the bottom line.

I’m very much a realist. I know Trump won’t be removed. Just because the cowardly/ass sucking Republicans who service him won’t do the right thing doesn’t mean that Dems should let the orange johnson slide.

As for Trump being re-elected, we’ll see.

 

[Moderate Right]

Well that certainly sounds like the right wing propaganda but it is certainly far from the truth.

Trump is guilty as sin but that doesn't really matter because senate republicans are terrified of trumps base. They will make up all kinds of reasons to turn him loose

America will get to hold him accountable next November

Meanwhile, the impeachment is responsible for millions upon millions of dollars being donated to the Trump campaign. So, is impeachment really worth it, or are you going to stick to the "it was our duty" line?

 

[Moderate Right]

It has been overwhelmingly consistent. EVERY single witness has testified they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo. I don't understand why that is so hard to follow.



In case you haven't been watching, The GOP isn't bringing impeachment, the Democrats are. Since the Democrats can't convince one Republican of these phony allegations, Republicans are being partisan?

Talk about irony.

Only the other side is being partisan. Fact is though, when the vote comes in both the House and the Senate, there will be zero Republican defectors and several Democratic defectors. That gives us a clue as to which side is being more partisan.

 

[Moderate Right]

Of course it will die in the Senate. All 53 Republican Senators are bought and paid for by Trump. This will be no surprise.

The surprise will come next November when the American public, seeing how this president abused his power and then seeing how the Republicans in Congress favored Trump himself over their nation, will vote Trump out of office.

This impeachment is not about whether he will be impeached or not, it is about the fact that no president is above the law, at least not when it comes the the public.

So, you're saying that the Democratic defectors in both the House and the Senate are not paid for and will actually vote without prejudice? This is starting to look like there will be zero Republican defectors and several Democratic defectors who aren't buying into the partisan BS.

 

[CLAX1911]

Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

So the question is, if they hold a vote, and only Democrats vote for it, they don't even realize whats going to happen in the Senate?

They have no clue that every witness Schiff has refused to allow to testify will take the stand? They don't think the Whistle Blower will be called (even in a closed setting) to expose the relationship with Schiff and Biden?

They can't be so stupid. Can they? After what they have put this country through on an exclusively partisan quest, putting this in the hands of a Republican Senate will be a blood fest.

If they don't have a single Republican now, do they actually think they will get enough in the Senate to unseat a president? Of course they don't.

Thats the idiocy of this entire ordeal.

Impeachment is about nothing but shutting him up. He's spilling the beans is it were. He told the truth about the border and MS-13, Baltimore and Saudi Arabia.

The Establishment Republicans and Democrats don't like that, because then people like you and me are going to start asking questions.

That's what he meant when he said drain the swamp. The swamp monsters are pissed because their secrets are going to be exposed.

 

[Moderate Right]

Let me be brutally honest with you. In the 1+ year that I have been on this board and the countless of posts between us during that period of time, never have you backed off from your blind support of Trump, even when given incontravertible proof of wrong doing.

As such, it has become impossible to take you seriously as a person with whom to debate with.

You are asking for answers from me? How many hundreds of times did I ask the same of you are all you did was deflect or ignore the questions.

You are not someone I take seriously. I no longer answer any of your posts with the idea of it being a debate. Simply stated, you are not worth the effort.

Sorry, but that is the way I see it. Not to mention the fact that once again your OP is full of misinformation and wrong assumptions, as all of your posts always are.

I treat our conversations as if I was going to a circus. Just there to enjoy the show and the clowns.

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Right back at you.

 

[Condor060]

Let me be brutally honest with you. In the 1+ year that I have been on this board and the countless of posts between us during that period of time, never have you backed off from your blind support of Trump, even when given incontravertible proof of wrong doing.

As such, it has become impossible to take you seriously as a person with whom to debate with.

You are asking for answers from me? How many hundreds of times did I ask the same of you are all you did was deflect or ignore the questions.

You are not someone I take seriously. I no longer answer any of your posts with the idea of it being a debate. Simply stated, you are not worth the effort.

Sorry, but that is the way I see it. Not to mention the fact that once again your OP is full of misinformation and wrong assumptions, as all of your posts always are.

I treat our conversations as if I was going to a circus. Just there to enjoy the show and the clowns.

Same excuses, different day. EVERY time you don't want to address a post you ALWAYS go to these deflections. So. I will make it easy for you.

Here is the list I provided a few pages ago.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

Address them, don't address them, I don't really care. The fact that you won't tells everyone everything they need to know. End of story.

 

[ludin]

Their strategy is simple: if the dems actually impeach, Trump will be compelled to testify - he can't wiggle out of it.

Eventually, Trump will lie about something or other, and they can nab him on a Perjury charge - just like the republicans did with Bill Clinton.

This shows how truly desperate they are.

Wrong trump doesn't have to testify at all.

 

[Condor060]

Impeachment is about nothing but shutting him up. He's spilling the beans is it were. He told the truth about the border and MS-13, Baltimore and Saudi Arabia.

The Establishment Republicans and Democrats don't like that, because then people like you and me are going to start asking questions.

That's what he meant when he said drain the swamp. The swamp monsters are pissed because their secrets are going to be exposed.

Agreed

 

[manofknowledge]

Giuliani, Mulvaney, Pompeo and Perry have refused to testify. Time for them to come clean under oath. They are all cowards as well as criminals.

 

[ludin]

Censure of the President would of been a better option and probably of gotten more bipartisan support. If the House does impeach the senate could easily prolong their process into primary season. This would put Warren and Sanders at a real disadvantage. While they’re sitting in the Senate hearing testimony Biden will be the sole front runner on the campaign trail. The conspiracy theorist in me says that was the Democratic establishment plan the whole time to tilt the primaries in Biden’s favor.

That could be it.
However all it takes is 17 honest democrats to vote against it. Which means there needs to be 15 more honest democrats.

 

[Luckyone]

So, you're saying that the Democratic defectors in both the House and the Senate are not paid for and will actually vote without prejudice? This is starting to look like there will be zero Republican defectors and several Democratic defectors who aren't buying into the partisan BS.

Whatever you say, you are never wrong in your outlook on things! I would change my name from Moderate Right to "Always Right".

 

[ludin]

Only the other side is being partisan. Fact is though, when the vote comes in both the House and the Senate, there will be zero Republican defectors and several Democratic defectors. That gives us a clue as to which side is being more partisan.

We just need 17 honest democrats.

 

[Luckyone]

Right back at you.

We understand each other then, right?

 

[Moderate Right]

I’m very much a realist. I know Trump won’t be removed. Just because the cowardly/ass sucking Republicans who service him won’t do the right thing doesn’t mean that Dems should let the orange johnson slide.

As for Trump being re-elected, we’ll see.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it state that when the House impeaches a president, it is the Senate's duty to convict. In fact, the Constitution states quite the opposite. They purposely set a high bar of needing a 2/3's majority in order to remove a president from office. In other words, the president must have done something so egregiously terrible that both parties would want to remove them from office and that one party could not merely remove a president due to extreme partisanship. It says something that only Democrats (and not even all of them) are the only ones who think Trump did something so egregiously terrible that the president should be removed from office. That's the way our founders viewed impeachment and yet rabid TDS democrats believe that if a president is impeached it is the Senate's duty to convict and remove the president from office.

 

[Luckyone]

Same excuses, different day. EVERY time you don't want to address a post you ALWAYS go to these deflections. So. I will make it easy for you.

Here is the list I provided a few pages ago.



Address them, don't address them, I don't really care. The fact that you won't tells everyone everything they need to know. End of story.

You are so drawn to me that you are starting to copy or mimic me. How many times have I said "end of story" to you? a hundred times?

You have just made me feel important as people only copy the the good things of people, not the bad ones.

End of story, eh?

God, I hope so.

 

[Condor060]

I’m very much a realist. I know Trump won’t be removed. Just because the cowardly/ass sucking Republicans who service him won’t do the right thing doesn’t mean that Dems should let the orange johnson slide.

As for Trump being re-elected, we’ll see.

The Republicans who service him won’t do the right thing? Step back and be realistic here. Democrats haven't produced one witness that can provide any evidence of Democrat claims. All they have produced thus far is hearsay. Thats it.

Nobody gets convicted of hearsay no matter how much you hate them. When the intended victim (Zelensky) states in several appearances and meetings that this never happened it doesn't matter what everyone else thinks or says or why you think he said that.

Show me one piece of evidence where Trump (or any other president) knowingly is committing crimes and I will vote right beside you. But if you are going to claim everyone who doesn't agree with your assessment as cultist cowards, you are only showing your own hand. If you are trying to convince the world they every single Republican and 63 million people are all cultist cowards but you are the enlightened one, thats quite the challenge.

 

[Moderate Right]

Giuliani, Mulvaney, Pompeo and Perry have refused to testify. Time for them to come clean under oath. They are all cowards as well as criminals.

They were willing to go to court and let a court decide. Democrats refused to do this.

 

[Moderate Right]

Whatever you say, you are never wrong in your outlook on things! I would change my name from Moderate Right to "Always Right".

That's a lot of words just to say you agree with me.