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Are Democrats Dumb Enough to Actually Vote For Impeachment

rickc said:
Well that certainly sounds like the right wing propaganda but it is certainly far from the truth.

Trump is guilty as sin but that doesn't really matter because senate republicans are terrified of trumps base. They will make up all kinds of reasons to turn him loose

America will get to hold him accountable next November
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I can't ****ing wait.
 
Condor060 said:
Feel free to dispute anything I posted. Opinions really don't mean much
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*sigh* Here we go again.

Condor060 said:
Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scaml.
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1. “An offer to withhold” is an odd way to say there was no overt quid pro quo. Regardless, Zelensky already knew that the desperately needed aid was being withheld and what would be required for that aid to be released.

2. Money was withheld pending the announcement of an investigation into Burisma/ Biden (father and son), and the already completely debunked theory of Ukraine undermining of the ‘16 presidential election.

3. Of course not. Word of an anonymous whistleblower complaint that was about to become public prompted Trump to release the aid.

4. There was no possibility, let alone need, for any one of the witnesses to paint the complete picture of Trump’s corrupt scheme. Collectively however, the witnesses did fully reveal the Trump’s impeachable deeds.

5. Sonland was the only witness who made presumptions. He also provided compelling, backed up by others who testified, testimony.

6. A completely nonsensical assertion. I could just easily assert that no Republicans voted in support of an inquiry because they are
complicit in Trump’s scam.
 
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Condor060 said:
It doesn't. Its called non partisan or at the very least, common sense. Something Democrats have lacked for years.
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You seem obsessed about democrats. I mean did not even mention the Democrats. Not sure why you felt the need to whine about Democrats to me since I have never been one.
 
A single article of obstruction of Congress. It's facetious.

fa•ce•tious fə-sē′shəs adj.

not meant to be taken seriously or literally
not serious about a serious subject, in an attempt to be funny or to appear clever
 
Condor060 said:
Here's what we know thus far.

1. Nowhere in any document or call script was there an offer to withhold money from Ukraine if they didn't do (X)

2. No money was ever withheld waiting for an investigation

3. Still to date no investigation has been announced

4. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated under Republican questioning that they have no knowledge of any bribery or quid pro quo

5. EVERY witness who testified for Democrats stated they were only testifying to their presumptions of what might have happened

6. Only Democrats are pushing for Impeachment without a single vote from any Republican which means this is a partisan scam.

So the question is, if they hold a vote, and only Democrats vote for it, they don't even realize whats going to happen in the Senate?

They have no clue that every witness Schiff has refused to allow to testify will take the stand? They don't think the Whistle Blower will be called (even in a closed setting) to expose the relationship with Schiff and Biden?

They can't be so stupid. Can they? After what they have put this country through on an exclusively partisan quest, putting this in the hands of a Republican Senate will be a blood fest.

If they don't have a single Republican now, do they actually think they will get enough in the Senate to unseat a president? Of course they don't.

Thats the idiocy of this entire ordeal.
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Let me address the title of your OP.

The Republicans would never be so stupid as to vote for right over wrong such as the Democrats are doing. Heck, the Republicans will always vote for their personal survival in politics and defending their false idol (Satan dressed as Trump) rather than defending Justice, the Constitution and the existing laws.

The Democrats are stupid enough to put the welfare of the nation over their own personal benefits. They are totally stupid for doing that, at least in you view.
 
Luckyone said:
Let me address the title of your OP.
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Why, because you can't address the 6 facts I listed as the reason for the title?

The Democrats are stupid enough to put the welfare of the nation over their own personal benefits.
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You got that part right
 
FreedomFromAll said:
You seem obsessed about democrats. I mean did not even mention the Democrats. Not sure why you felt the need to whine about Democrats to me since I have never been one.
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IS that the new defense now. Calling out Democrats for their obvious treason is whining?
 
Condor060 said:
7500 people polled in your own attachment.

You're a little short of the majority of Americans. Not to mention only 25% are Republican
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They do that so they can get headlines and readers. It's done all the time as a way to get people to click on the story or watch the tube. It's actually fascinating to look for this too. Democrats only read headlines and then they hurriedly post them as if they are the truth without bothering to go into any depth to see if the article is correct or slanted. I see this at least 90% of the time with the biggest offenders the leftist/progressives.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
1. “An offer to withhold” is an odd way to say there was no overt quid pro quo. Regardless, Zelensky already knew that the desperately needed aid was being withheld and what would be required for that aid to be released.
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Zelensky is supposedly the victim of this supposed quid pro quo but has stated on several occasions that no such quid pro quo exist. Sorry, it doesn't matter what you think.

2. Money was withheld pending the announcement of an investigation into Burisma/ Biden (father and son), and the already completely debunked theory of Ukraine undermining of the ‘16 presidential election.
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There isn't a single witness or document that supports any such theory. Sorry, it doesn't matter what you think.

3. Of course not. Word of an anonymous whistleblower complaint that was about to become public prompted Trump to release the aid.
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There isn't a single witness or document that supports any such theory. Sorry, it doesn't matter what you think.

4. There was no possibility, let alone need, for any one of the witnesses to paint the complete picture of Trump’s corrupt scheme. Collectively however, the witnesses did fully reveal the Trump’s impeachable deeds.
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So now there is no need to have any actual evidence because this is what we think? Yup, that is the complete stance of the Democrat party alright.

5. Sonland was the only witness who made presumptions. He also provided compelling, backed up by others who testified, testimony.
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So there star witness who was actually on the call testifies he has no knowledge of any bribery, quid pro quo, or any impeachable crimes but he provided compelling information? It was compelling alright. By the way, EVERY witness testified they have no knowledge of any crimes.

6. A completely nonsensical assertion. I could just easily assert that no Republicans voted in support of an inquiry because they are
complicit in Trump’s scam.
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Another Democrat favorite. They can't convince any Republican of any crimes because none of their witnesses could provide any evidence of any crime but Republicans are complicit in a crime?
 
Condor060 said:
Zelensky is supposedly the victim of this supposed quid pro quo but has stated on several occasions that no such quid pro quo exist. Sorry, it doesn't matter what you think.



There isn't a single witness or document that supports any such theory. Sorry, it doesn't matter what you think.



There isn't a single witness or document that supports any such theory. Sorry, it doesn't matter what you think.



So now there is no need to have any actual evidence because this is what we think? Yup, that is the complete stance of the Democrat party alright.



So there star witness who was actually on the call testifies he has no knowledge of any bribery, quid pro quo, or any impeachable crimes but he provided compelling information? It was compelling alright. By the way, EVERY witness testified they have no knowledge of any crimes.



Another Democrat favorite. They can't convince any Republican of any crimes because none of their witnesses could provide any evidence of any crime but Republicans are complicit in a crime?
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1. The president of a country at war and in desperate need of aid from another country fingers that country’s leader for attempted strong arming? Sure, Condor, maybe in your world, but not in the real world.

2. Horse **** answer and you know it.

3. All of the events surrounding the whistleblowers report paint a very compelling case.

4. See my answer #3.

5. First person testimony is evidence. So are phone records and text messages.

6. Really pathetic counter argument. No one person needs to have all the proof, and you know that too. At least you ought to.

7. Another complete horse **** answer.

Enjoy your empty arguments, Condor. It really doesn’t matter. Trump will be impeached, and history will record his many transgressions, and there’s nothing Trumpsters can do about that. :mrgreen:
 
Condor060 said:
Can you address the 6 points I made are are you just going to dance around the actual thread accusations.
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First of all, I have addressed and answered those point repeatedly in other threads. If you are really interested in the answers (which you are not given you are not looking for truth but to excuse your God) you will seek them among my posts.

As far as addressing it now. Here is your answer:

 
RaleBulgarian said:
1. The president of a country at war and in desperate need of aid from another country fingers that country’s leader for attempted strong arming? Sure, Condor, maybe in your world, but not in the real world.

2. Horse **** answer and you know it.

3. All of the events surrounding the whistleblowers report paint a very compelling case.

4. See my answer #3.

5. First person testimony is evidence. So are phone records and text messages.

6. Really pathetic counter argument. No one person needs to have all the proof, and you know that too. At least you ought to.

7. Another complete horse **** answer.

Enjoy your empty arguments, Condor. It really doesn’t matter. Trump will be impeached, and history will record his many transgressions, and there’s nothing Trumpsters can do about that. :mrgreen:
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You can ignore the testimony all you want. Its in the record and provided on youtube for all to see. How many would you like me to provide?
You can ignore this is a partisan impeachment all you want but the voters won't.
You can ignore the fact that assumptions and presumptions are not evidence all you want.
You can ignore the fact that every single witness testified they have no knowledge of anything.

I really don't care. Its up to the voters to decide. But I will guarantee you this. A Senate trial under Republican control will bring in the whistle blower and a host of witnesses Schiff wouldn't allow to testify. But even in the face of a bankrupt, non supported DNC and a host of candidates that can't raise enough money to even be in a presidential race you will continue to overlook all the obvious events just because you hate Trump.

Trump will not be removed and there isn't a single candidate that can beat him in an election. Thats just the bottom line.
 
Luckyone said:
First of all, I have addressed and answered those point repeatedly in other threads.
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You have NEVER EVER addressed those points in ANY of my post. All you have ever done is deflect to your own theories. Just like you are here.

If you are really interested in the answers (which you are not given you are not looking for truth but to excuse your God) you will seek them among my posts.
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I am not interested in your assumptions. They are meaningless.
 
Luckyone said:
First of all, I have addressed and answered those point repeatedly in other threads. If you are really interested in the answers (which you are not given you are not looking for truth but to excuse your God) you will seek them among my posts.

As far as addressing it now. Here is your answer:

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This is all going to die in the senate and Trump can finally ignore these idiots and get back to work for the American People. We have your back Mr. President.
 
bradt99 said:
This is all going to die in the senate and Trump can finally ignore these idiots and get back to work for the American People. We have your back Mr. President.
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Of course it will die in the Senate. All 53 Republican Senators are bought and paid for by Trump. This will be no surprise.

The surprise will come next November when the American public, seeing how this president abused his power and then seeing how the Republicans in Congress favored Trump himself over their nation, will vote Trump out of office.

This impeachment is not about whether he will be impeached or not, it is about the fact that no president is above the law, at least not when it comes the the public.
 
Luckyone said:
Of course it will die in the Senate. All 53 Republican Senators are bought and paid for by Trump. This will be no surprise.

The surprise will come next November when the American public, seeing how this president abused his power and then seeing how the Republicans in Congress favored Trump himself over their nation, will vote Trump out of office.

This impeachment is not about whether he will be impeached or not, it is about the fact that no president is above the law, at least not when it comes the the public.
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Trump is ahead now in the swing states he needs to win, good luck.
 
Foreign policy matters. China has already built new cities without exorbitantly expensive use of their superpower.

Why are we stuck in foreign wars without sufficient moral and political fortitude to build new castles.
 
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