AO-C compares concentration camps in the Holocaust with migrant detention centers

[Cougarbear]

Whats up with so much of the Trump base not knowing how to use a dictionary?
From Merriam Webster:

Definition of Concentration Camp
: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard
What you have are concentration camps. Note that the definition of what constitutes a concentration camp says nothing about where the people came from, or how the arrived.
And to ensure there's no mistake, why not call them "Not as bad as the Nazi's" Concentration Camps

Cougarbear: And, this is shows the real problem with our educational system. You have no concept of historical facts concerning the Holocaust. You have no concept of concentration camps for Jews who were rounded up, not because they want to go to Germany and escape persecution and/or poverty. The problem with you and AO-C is that she was attempting to tie the immigration camps at our boarder with the concentration camps that held the Jews for the soul purpose to kill them or starve them to death. Besides the fact on why the illegal immigrants are in the camps at our boarder and the Jews who were forced into the concentration camps of the Nazis, your side has very little understanding of the truth of either. And, your childish attempt (just following others in the left wing media) to use the dictionary is really bad.

 

[j brown's body]

Cougarbear: And, this is shows the real problem with our educational system. You have no concept of historical facts concerning the Holocaust. You have no concept of concentration camps for Jews who were rounded up, not because they want to go to Germany and escape persecution and/or poverty. The problem with you and AO-C is that she was attempting to tie the immigration camps at our boarder with the concentration camps that held the Jews for the soul purpose to kill them or starve them to death. Besides the fact on why the illegal immigrants are in the camps at our boarder and the Jews who were forced into the concentration camps of the Nazis, your side has very little understanding of the truth of either. And, your childish attempt (just following others in the left wing media) to use the dictionary is really bad.

Jews, and other groups, such a socialists were not initially rounded up to be killed. If they happened to die, it was of little concern, much like the situation for the youngsters in the border camps.

 

[Cougarbear]

AOC is an actress, nothing more. She literally came to prominence by answering a cattle-call audition run by the extremist Justice Democrats. When she goes off-script ... she usually steps in it.

:hitsfan:

Unfortunately, the media runs with it and the Democrats follow. And, the general population because of our universities don't know the truth about history and the Holocaust. They don't really know what is going on at the boarder either. They also have lost the ability to logically reason the outcome of liberalism and progressivism.

 

[Cougarbear]

You just made it look even worse.

Made what look worse? The fact is, there is no equivalence to the two. One group is trying to get into the camps and releases into the U.S. while the other is being forced into the camps to die. It was AO-C who made the Democrats look more stupid and hateful anti-Semitic.

 

[Cougarbear]

Why are you bringing up the Holocaust? She didn't. You did.

Do you know the definition of concentration camp?

Concentration Camp | Definition of Concentration Camp by Merriam-Webster


concentration camp noun



Definition of concentration camp




: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard

Why did you bring up the Holocaust?

Just more BS! Yes, she was bringing up the Holocaust. Nice try CNN and MSNBC. Damage control is what they call it. Everyone knows what is meant by concentration camps. Especially since your Trump Derangement Syndrome side has been calling Trump a Hitler and Nazi since he won the election. Please don't let yourself get trapped with ignorance.

 

[NiceGuyEddie]

:hitsfan:

Unfortunately, the media runs with it and the Democrats follow. And, the general population because of our universities don't know the truth about history and the Holocaust. They don't really know what is going on at the boarder either. They also have lost the ability to logically reason the outcome of liberalism and progressivism.

They need only look to the democrat run cities like LA, Seattle, SF etc. to see the results.

 

[Yakshi]

Provocative quote by AOC.

She’s not wrong.

That fact probably stings the most.

It’s difficult to rationalize one’s support for keeping kids in concentration camps.

It’s easier to attack AOC instead.

 

[Cougarbear]

Jews, and other groups, such a socialists were not initially rounded up to be killed. If they happened to die, it was of little concern, much like the situation for the youngsters in the border camps.

You proved my point about our current educational system. But, for debate sake you are correct. The reason for the illegal aliens being in the boarder camps today and the reason for Jews being in the camps in Germany were not for the same reasons. The illegals have jumped the fence or crossed willingly the Rio Grande to get placed into the camps. They have made their own decision to do so. The Jews, on the other hand, had no choice but to be put into the train cars and shipped unwillingly to their destination of death. Many were taken directly from the trains into the showers where they were gassed to death. Others put into ovens and gassed to death. The fact is, Jews were rounded up and the illegals came willingly.

 

[Yakshi]

Border. Jesus.

 

[j brown's body]

You proved my point about our current educational system. But, for debate sake you are correct. The reason for the illegal aliens being in the boarder camps today and the reason for Jews being in the camps in Germany were not for the same reasons. The illegals have jumped the fence or crossed willingly the Rio Grande to get placed into the camps. They have made their own decision to do so. The Jews, on the other hand, had no choice but to be put into the train cars and shipped unwillingly to their destination of death. Many were taken directly from the trains into the showers where they were gassed to death. Others put into ovens and gassed to death. The fact is, Jews were rounded up and the illegals came willingly.

Neither Jews in Germany nor immigrants in the United States needed to be put in camps. Neither represented a danger to their respective societies. Both were made into scapegoats by racist demagogues, and are peddled by them as threats, but they are not. Both lacked citizenship, as the Jews' citizenship was legally stripped away and the immigrants find legality difficult to come by. Both, Hitler then and Trump now, made a political calculation that demonizing their respective scapegoats would win them political votes. Both, apparently, find it politically adventurous to treat these people with cruelty.

From the Holocaust Museum site.

From its rise to power in 1933, the Nazi regime built a series of incarceration sites to imprison and eliminate so-called "enemies of the state." Most prisoners in the early concentration camps were German Communists, Socialists, Social Democrats, Roma (Gypsies), Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, and persons accused of "asocial" or socially deviant behavior. Some of these facilities were called “concentration camps” because those imprisoned there were physically “concentrated” in one location.

Many people refer to all of the Nazi incarceration sites during the Holocaust as concentration camps. The term concentration camp is used very loosely to describe places of incarceration and murder under the Nazi regime, however, not all sites established by the Nazis were concentration camps. Nazi-established sites include:

Concentration camps: For the detention of civilians whom the regime perceived to be a security risk of some sort. There were 938 camps and subcamps.

To distinguish from

Killing centers: Established primarily or exclusively for the assembly-line style murder of large number

Opponents of OAC seem to be trying make the death camps into concentration camps.

Nazi Camps | The Holocaust Encyclopedia

we do not have to put immigrants in camps. But if people feel we must, they could at least make them decent and not deprive them of everything they can. Its just cruel. But the cruelty is the point.

 

[Cougarbear]

Neither Jews in Germany nor immigrants in the United States needed to be put in camps. Neither represented a danger to their respective societies. Both were made into scapegoats by racist demagogues, and are peddled by them as threats, but they are not. Both lacked citizenship, as the Jews' citizenship was legally stripped away and the immigrants find legality difficult to come by. Both, Hitler then and Trump now, made a political calculation that demonizing their respective scapegoats would win them political votes. Both, apparently, find it politically adventurous to treat these people with cruelty.

From the Holocaust Museum site.



Opponents of OAC seem to be trying make the death camps into concentration camps.

Nazi Camps | The Holocaust Encyclopedia

we do not have to put immigrants in camps. But if people feel we must, they could at least make them decent and not deprive them of everything they can. Its just cruel. But the cruelty is the point.

You continue to prove my point about both issues. The immigrants coming from our southern boarder know they will be placed into these detention centers where there will be shelter, food and water. Even toys for their children to play with. They are coming freely to these camps. Why do they do so? Because they know many will be able to be released into the U.S. without a trial. Others, hope they will receive legal status for various reasons. Others know they will be sent back. See, like 100% of all other countries in the world, we are a sovereign nation with the right to legal crossing into our country because we have a universal right to have boarders and not open, just like every other country on the planet.

Not so with those who were rounded up as false enemies of Germany and not illegal aliens. Instead, they were political enemies and they were drains on the economy. Hitler always hated Jews. He had his plan and began to use the concentration camps to round Jews up and kill them. There's no way to equate the two things. None! Not one prisoner of the Nazis wanted to go to the camps for any reason. They were forced or killed. Once there, starved or killed.

Let's talk a bit about the southern boarder. Obama caught and sent back more illegal aliens than Trump has. It was Obama who built the detention centers and caged children in them. Those pictures and videos were during Obama's reign, not Trump's. Here's the truth. Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama did nothing to stop the illegal immigration. Trump is trying to do something about it. But, now all the Democrats who once said they wanted to build walls and write legislation to stop illegal immigration, are opposing this. Why? I'll give you a hint with another bit of fact. Obama sent unmanned drones at Muslims and killed thousands of Muslims with unmanned drones. Trump refuses to kill 150 Muslims because Iran shot down one single unmanned drown. Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize while Trump is called a warmonger by Democrats, your side. Same idiotic thinking is going on with this A-OC big mouth goof she did.

 

[Yakshi]

That painfully idiotic argument is all over the place.

How can you possibly be unaware how dumb it is?

 

[justabubba]

Cougarbear: And, this is shows the real problem with our educational system. You have no concept of historical facts concerning the Holocaust. You have no concept of concentration camps for Jews who were rounded up, not because they want to go to Germany and escape persecution and/or poverty. The problem with you and AO-C is that she was attempting to tie the immigration camps at our boarder with the concentration camps that held the Jews for the soul purpose to kill them or starve them to death. Besides the fact on why the illegal immigrants are in the camps at our boarder and the Jews who were forced into the concentration camps of the Nazis, your side has very little understanding of the truth of either. And, your childish attempt (just following others in the left wing media) to use the dictionary is really bad.

[emphasis added by bubba]
how dare you liberals cite a dictionary definition to correctly define a word the regressives do not like you to use
now quit showing off your education!

 

[Yakshi]

Using the dictionary, where the meaning of words can be found, is childish . . . and besides, it only proves CougarBear’s point, because Obama used drones on Muslims—and now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go smash my face repeatedly against a rock.

 

[NWRatCon]

[emphasis added by bubba]
how dare you liberals cite a dictionary definition to correctly define a word the regressives do not like you to use
now quit showing off your education!

And not only that, you spelled everything correctly and used proper grammar. How dare you!

 

[OscarLevant]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez compares migrant detention facilities to concentration camps - CNNPolitics

It seems to me that she needs to take a trip to see the Holocaust sites and learn more about what actually took place there. Then, she should get off her butt and go to the boarder and see if there is any resemblance to those Holocaust camps and the detention centers at the boarder. See if we are gassing to death or shooting to death masses of people. Then, she should be required to take a college class in Holocaust history by a reliable college in the study of WW2 history. Then, she should go find a job waitressing tables and leave the governing of the country to sane Republicans.

After Trump rapes and sexually assaults dozens of women then brags about it, cons his way to the presidency, hires a staff that has over 140 documented contacts with Russians, then he okays a military op that kills a few soldiers, then he hires people that wind up being indicted and jailed, he then commits obstruction of justice which prompts a 448 page report and a two year investigation, sides with Putin over his intel advisors and does meetings in total secret with no accountability, all the while he tries to get a Trump Tower built while lying to the public that he was not trying to do business with Russia, ( while bribing Putin with the penthouse suite ) attempting to seal the deal using Deutschebank as the conduit bank, noting it that was fined $650 million for money laundering, then Tells KJU, after he sends one of ours home in a box, says "we're in love," then his administration is committing what is nothing less than child abuse on hundreds of migrant children, and all the while making millions off of the presidencyyou're worried about AOC?

Got it.

 

[OscarLevant]

AOC would melt back into the primordial ooze from whence she rose if only her supporters weren't even more stupid than she.

Being concerned about the plight of children is not stupid. It's the right thing to do

What is pathetic are republicans getting hung up on AOC's penchant for the dramatic, ignoring the fact that her motives are noble, while repubs ignore the fact that Trump hypes everything all the time, daily, while Trump's administration is abusing hundreds of migrant children, spreading hatred and bigotry to the approval of KKK and white supremacists everywhere, etc etc etc.

"Primordial ooze", talk about hype.

You mistake her greenhorned-ness with stupidity, do so at your peril. She will be a force in politics, as she gains her footing.

I find it odd that you're being hung up on her language when Trump's use of language, his ability to articulate is on about the 4th or 5th grade level and he is no friend of children, in general, as the health of the nation's air is deteriorating.

You guys are such hypocrites, on so many levels.

 

[maxparrish]

Neither Jews in Germany nor immigrants in the United States needed to be put in camps. Neither represented a danger to their respective societies. Both were made into scapegoats by racist demagogues, and are peddled by them as threats, but they are not. Both lacked citizenship, as the Jews' citizenship was legally stripped away and the immigrants find legality difficult to come by. Both, Hitler then and Trump now, made a political calculation that demonizing their respective scapegoats would win them political votes. Both, apparently, find it politically adventurous to treat these people with cruelty.

From the Holocaust Museum site...

As you are using the Holocaust Museum as an authoritative source perhaps you'll show equal deference when it dumps on your opinion:

“The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum unequivocally rejects efforts to create analogies between the Holocaust and other events, whether historical or contemporary,” the museum said in a statement.

“That position has repeatedly and unambiguously been made clear in the Museum’s official statement on the matter – a statement that is reiterated and reaffirmed now,” it continued.

“The Museum further reiterates that a statement ascribed to a Museum staff historian regarding recent attempts to analogize the situation on the United States southern border to concentration camps in Europe during the 1930s and 1940s does not reflect the position of the Museum.” ...

On Monday, the museum said it “deeply regrets any offense to Holocaust survivors and others that may have been engendered by any statement ascribed to a Museum historian in a personal capacity.”

And when speaking of Holocaust Museums, perhaps you ought to be aware of the famous Vad Yeshem museum of Israel also in criticizing OC:

“Concentration camps assured a slave labor supply to help in the Nazi war effort, even as the brutality of life inside the camps helped assure the ultimate goal of ‘extermination through labor,’” the Israeli museum, billed as a world center for Holocaust research, tweeted Wednesday at the New York Democrat. “Learn about concentration camps,” the tweet also said, as it linked to the museum’s web page on labor and concentration camps.

And the hammer landed once more:

“Such ignorant comparisons trivialize the Holocaust and thereby undermine the lessons of history we must learn,” Abe Foxman, director of the Center for the Study of Antisemitism at the Museum of Jewish Heritage, told Jewish Insider.

US Holocaust museum denounces AOC’s ‘concentration camp’ remarks
Holocaust museum lectures AOC after ‘concentration camp’ remarks

It was OAC that was equating detention centers with the camps of the holocaust, and you (and she) aren't fooling anybody.

 

[TurtleDude]

Have you ever studied the minutes of the meetings when the Constitution was designed with an open mind? The why behind the Constitution and it's parts can be assessed by various documents what survived from that time in a manner that doesn't cherry pick to intentionally deceive.

Is the farmer in Ohio going to use all his own soybeans, too, because that's how it's done there. You grow winter wheat and then grow soybeans to get both crops while adding nitrogen to the soil with the soybeans. Occasionally, from every other year to more than that, you grow no till corn, which needs large amounts of nitrogen and the nitrogen you added with soybeans cuts the nitrogen costs of production. The cycle is good in preventing soil erosion, too.

I need more details to evaluate the farmer, like whether he is on the dole and has to obey certain rules to remain on it. Government handouts tend to have strings attached. tRump claims responsibility for the farmer's bailout, so let him explain what strings exist, if any.

I don't see evidence posted to support your case, only say so.

In other words, you are ignorant of Wickard v. filburn

It is a simple question and the correct answer is this-no the founders never intended the commerce clause to empower congress to control what private citizens did within their own sovereign states.

 

[Gary]

In other words, you are ignorant of Wickard v. filburn

It is a simple question and the correct answer is this-no the founders never intended the commerce clause to empower congress to control what private citizens did within their own sovereign states.

Are you ignorant that the commerce clause decision isn't involved if the rules are because he is on the dole. Simple solution, do what you want and don't be on the dole.

 

[j brown's body]

You continue to prove my point about both issues. The immigrants coming from our southern boarder know they will be placed into these detention centers where there will be shelter, food and water. Even toys for their children to play with. They are coming freely to these camps. Why do they do so? Because they know many will be able to be released into the U.S. without a trial. Others, hope they will receive legal status for various reasons. Others know they will be sent back. See, like 100% of all other countries in the world, we are a sovereign nation with the right to legal crossing into our country because we have a universal right to have boarders and not open, just like every other country on the planet.

Not so with those who were rounded up as false enemies of Germany and not illegal aliens. Instead, they were political enemies and they were drains on the economy. Hitler always hated Jews. He had his plan and began to use the concentration camps to round Jews up and kill them. There's no way to equate the two things. None! Not one prisoner of the Nazis wanted to go to the camps for any reason. They were forced or killed. Once there, starved or killed.

Let's talk a bit about the southern boarder. Obama caught and sent back more illegal aliens than Trump has. It was Obama who built the detention centers and caged children in them. Those pictures and videos were during Obama's reign, not Trump's. Here's the truth. Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama did nothing to stop the illegal immigration. Trump is trying to do something about it. But, now all the Democrats who once said they wanted to build walls and write legislation to stop illegal immigration, are opposing this. Why? I'll give you a hint with another bit of fact. Obama sent unmanned drones at Muslims and killed thousands of Muslims with unmanned drones. Trump refuses to kill 150 Muslims because Iran shot down one single unmanned drown. Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize while Trump is called a warmonger by Democrats, your side. Same idiotic thinking is going on with this A-OC big mouth goof she did.

Either way, we have two racist demagogues in Hitler and Trump. Both chose to scapegoat two groups of people and win support by treating them cruelly in camps.

This is a fact it's a point you seem quite reluctant to face.

Another fact you seem quite reluctant to face is that Trump is much more interested in fomenting and exploiting an immigrant crisis than in "doing something about it." His policies are consistently making things worse.

You seem to think, and Trump is only too happy to indulge this thinking, that being hateful and cruel to people has any positive consequences. Yes, it lets his supporters feel good about their hatred, and think Trump is doing something. But really? It's just a show. Trump is a showman, not a problem solver.

 

[TurtleDude]

Are you ignorant that the commerce clause decision isn't involved if the rules are because he is on the dole. Simple solution, do what you want and don't be on the dole.

That really makes no sense. BTW I think the dole should be eliminated at a federal level.

 

[Gary]

That really makes no sense. BTW I think the dole should be eliminated at a federal level.

Try reading. I posted that there were probably conditions because the farmer was on the dole from tRump and that wasn't the case in WWII, in other words the two cases aren't the same.

You commented without even reading what I said.

 

[TurtleDude]

Try reading. I posted that there were probably conditions because the farmer was on the dole from tRump and that wasn't the case in WWII, in other words the two cases aren't the same.

You commented without even reading what I said.

That still makes no sense. And I know this area of law inside and out. The commerce clause was mutated by FDR to allow all sorts of federal powers that were never intended. And lots of that is responsible for many of the problems we have today.

 

[tres borrachos]

Just more BS! Yes, she was bringing up the Holocaust. Nice try CNN and MSNBC. Damage control is what they call it. Everyone knows what is meant by concentration camps. Especially since your Trump Derangement Syndrome side has been calling Trump a Hitler and Nazi since he won the election. Please don't let yourself get trapped with ignorance.

I read all of her quotes. I didn't see her mention the Holocaust once. Now show me the quote where she mentioned the Holocaust when recently discussing this. I'll wait.

Yes, we do know what concentration camps mean. You can ask the Japanese Americans from World War 2 and they will tell you as well. They don't mean "The Holocaust".

Why are you babbling about "Trump Derangement Syndrome"? This thread is about AOC, not Trump.