AO-C compares concentration camps in the Holocaust with migrant detention centers

[JustHanging]

They are refugee camps. The refugee goes to one of those to seek refuge. If it's not better than where you came from then you're not a refugee.

They're Concentration Camps. You can do it, you can call them by their correct name, just give it a try: "Concentration"....."Camps".

 

[Ouroboros]

The only thing idiotic here is denying that they're concentration camps. Perhaps you're not familiar with the term?

Concentration Camp | Definition of Concentration Camp by Merriam-Webster

This definition could take in any type of prison or jail. And that's what the detention centers are, jails in which asylum seekers are being detained for processing.

 

[JustHanging]

Did Trump supporters put the words "Never again" in the Occasional Cortex's mouth?

Trump? :lamo

He's the dude who publicly defends Neo Nazis and the KKK, saying some are "very fine people". You think he would say "Never Again".


Oh, wait. Are you saying "Never Again" only applies to Jews in Concentrations Camps. That it's perfectly fine to put brown-skinned people in Concentration Camps, because...well....they have brown skin! Is that your argument?


I've got a solution to make everyone happy. Why not call them: "Not as bad as the Nazi's" Concentration Camps

You could put that over every door, so people would know. What do you think?

 

[JustHanging]

This definition could take in any type of prison or jail. And that's what the detention centers are, jails in which asylum seekers are being detained for processing.

Come on, you can do it. "Concentration"....."Camps".

From: Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.

Concentration Camp
a prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined


From: Merriam Webster

Definition of concentration camp
a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard


Concentration Camp Expert Doubles Down: 'Same Thing' Happening At Southern Border
Andrea Pitzer defended Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's controversial tweet referring to immigrant detention centers as concentration camps.
Andrea Pitzer, who literally wrote the book on the global history of concentration camps, defended the freshman lawmaker against Republican backlash during an appearance Tuesday on MSNBC’s “All In With Chris Hayes.”

What the U.S. is doing at the U.S.-Mexico border today by detaining hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and children “fits very cleanly” inside the historical definition of concentration camps, Pitzer argued.

 

[Trump]

:beatdeadhorse

 

[washunut]

From: Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.

Concentration Camp
a prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined


From: Merriam Webster

Definition of concentration camp
a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard

Since they people are illegals caught crossing to border how can you call them political prisoners? Is holding POWs in a camp somehow sinister in your world?

 

[JustHanging]

nonsense, Trumpkins quibble over what we call camps where children are thrown in cages instead of complaining about throwing kids in cages. The high ground has left the Right behind. They are now in the gutter with nazis and other historical human scum.

It seems pretty clear reading many of their posts. Some of them are happy to see brown skinned people in Concentration Camps. The problem they seem to have, is that they are being called "Concentration Camps".

They know perfectly well that if enough of the public catches on that there are now American Concentration Camps, there could be an outcry, and they could lose their nice shiny Concentration Camps.

Hence trying to rename, call them anything but what they are: Concentration Camps.

Just read the posts in this thread, and see how many times members of Trump's base try to call them something other than what they are.

 

[JustHanging]

Since they people are illegals caught crossing to border how can you call them political prisoners? Is holding POWs in a camp somehow sinister in your world?

"Refugees" Look it up.

You will have to take it up with the Concentration Camp expert I cited, as well as Merriam Webster dictionary. They're the ones saying these are Concentration Camps.

Look, what about my solution for Trump's base, call them "Not as bad as the Nazi's" Concentration Camps.

What do you think? Pretty good eh? You could put that over every door, so people know you're not as bad as the Nazis. We could even use it to create a new slogan for America. Check it out, it meets the concerns you outline perfectly:

America! Not as bad as Nazi Germany!

What do you think?

 

[tres borrachos]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez compares migrant detention facilities to concentration camps - CNNPolitics

It seems to me that she needs to take a trip to see the Holocaust sites and learn more about what actually took place there. Then, she should get off her butt and go to the boarder and see if there is any resemblance to those Holocaust camps and the detention centers at the boarder. See if we are gassing to death or shooting to death masses of people. Then, she should be required to take a college class in Holocaust history by a reliable college in the study of WW2 history. Then, she should go find a job waitressing tables and leave the governing of the country to sane Republicans.

Why are you bringing up the Holocaust? She didn't. You did.

Do you know the definition of concentration camp?

Concentration Camp | Definition of Concentration Camp by Merriam-Webster


concentration camp noun



Definition of concentration camp




: a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard

Why did you bring up the Holocaust?

 

[justabubba]

Did Trump supporters put the words "Never again" in the Occasional Cortex's mouth?

from your post, i take it you want there to be a future instances for the USA to operate concentration camps
it would then seem you have been unable to grasp the message OAC was presenting

 

[tres borrachos]

Come on, you can do it. "Concentration"....."Camps".

From: Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.

Concentration Camp
a prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined


From: Merriam Webster

Definition of concentration camp
a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard


Concentration Camp Expert Doubles Down: 'Same Thing' Happening At Southern Border
Andrea Pitzer defended Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's controversial tweet referring to immigrant detention centers as concentration camps.
Andrea Pitzer, who literally wrote the book on the global history of concentration camps, defended the freshman lawmaker against Republican backlash during an appearance Tuesday on MSNBC’s “All In With Chris Hayes.”

What the U.S. is doing at the U.S.-Mexico border today by detaining hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and children “fits very cleanly” inside the historical definition of concentration camps, Pitzer argued.

Oh ****, I didn't see your post before I also posted this.

Trump fans are the ones bringing up the Holocaust. I'm no AOC fan, but she didn't mention it.

Dog whistles for Trump fans are real. And AOC scares them into aneurysms.

 

[CLAX1911]

They're Concentration Camps. You can do it, you can call them by their correct name, just give it a try: "Concentration"....."Camps".

So the people being held there are not refugees or asylum-seekers? Then why the hell do we have camps just to return them home.

 

[justabubba]

Trump? :lamo

He's the dude who publicly defends Neo Nazis and the KKK, saying some are "very fine people". You think he would say "Never Again".


Oh, wait. Are you saying "Never Again" only applies to Jews in Concentrations Camps. That it's perfectly fine to put brown-skinned people in Concentration Camps, because...well....they have brown skin! Is that your argument?


I've got a solution to make everyone happy. Why not call them: "Not as bad as the Nazi's" Concentration Camps

You could put that over every door, so people would know. What do you think?

there is a certain, how do i say it, savoir faire*, in that renaming of the concentration camps








*french sounding affectation required when reading this aloud or to oneself

 

[JustHanging]

Oh ****, I didn't see your post before I also posted this.

Trump fans are the ones bringing up the Holocaust. I'm no AOC fan, but she didn't mention it.

Dog whistles for Trump fans are real. And AOC scares them into aneurysms.

Yeah, they're lying. Not surprising, considering many are Evangelicals and Fundamental Christians. I'm certainly not saying they all lie, but imo they make the best liars. Just look at SHS, she was awesome at it.

The interesting thing is, they also bring up that AOC said "Never Again". And that only this can only refer to Jews.

So their argument is that it's bad to put Jews in Concentration Camps, but it's perfectly acceptable to put brown-skinned people in Concentration Camps.

Which when you think about it jibes nicely with Trump's public statements defending White Supremacists, and his strategy of using racist attacks to energize his base.

 

[justabubba]

Since they people are illegals caught crossing to border how can you call them political prisoners? Is holding POWs in a camp somehow sinister in your world?

do those undocumented children, who through no fault of their own, are apprehended and placed in concentration camps, qualify to be referred to as political prisoners

 

[JustHanging]

there is a certain, how do i say it, savoir faire*, in that renaming of the concentration camps








*french sounding affectation required when reading this aloud or to oneself

That does seem to be their main beef, that six million Jews died in the Nazi Concentration Camps, but only six brown skinned babies have died so far in American Concentration Camps. So it's apparently all cool as far as they're concerned.

 

[JustHanging]

from your post, i take it you want there to be a future instances for the USA to operate concentration camps
it would then seem you have been unable to grasp the message OAC was presenting

Their argument seems to be that "Never Again" only applies to Jews. That it's perfectly acceptable to put brown-skinned people in Concentration Camps.

 

[justabubba]

Their argument seems to be that "Never Again" only applies to Jews. That it's perfectly acceptable to put brown-skinned people in Concentration Camps.

ok, i am going to go for the extremely slender silver lining

at least the bigots are eliminating one group to quit discriminating against

... i did warn that it would not be much

 

[Ouroboros]

Trump? :lamo

He's the dude who publicly defends Neo Nazis and the KKK, saying some are "very fine people". You think he would say "Never Again".


Oh, wait. Are you saying "Never Again" only applies to Jews in Concentrations Camps. That it's perfectly fine to put brown-skinned people in Concentration Camps, because...well....they have brown skin! Is that your argument?


I've got a solution to make everyone happy. Why not call them: "Not as bad as the Nazi's" Concentration Camps

You could put that over every door, so people would know. What do you think?

Putting aside all the silly drivel, the only thing left is to state the obvious: that even a mental midget like AOC knows that the "Never Again" phrase evokes memories of the Holocaust, and she knows that she will gain ground with her base by making that dimwitted comparison, because the Never Trumpers already revel in all comparisons of Trump to Hitler.

 

[Ouroboros]

Come on, you can do it. "Concentration"....."Camps".

From: Webster’s New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition. Copyright © 2010 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. All rights reserved.

Concentration Camp
a prison camp in which political dissidents, members of minority ethnic groups, etc. are confined


From: Merriam Webster

Definition of concentration camp
a place where large numbers of people (such as prisoners of war, political prisoners, refugees, or the members of an ethnic or religious minority) are detained or confined under armed guard


Concentration Camp Expert Doubles Down: 'Same Thing' Happening At Southern Border
Andrea Pitzer defended Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez's controversial tweet referring to immigrant detention centers as concentration camps.
Andrea Pitzer, who literally wrote the book on the global history of concentration camps, defended the freshman lawmaker against Republican backlash during an appearance Tuesday on MSNBC’s “All In With Chris Hayes.”

What the U.S. is doing at the U.S.-Mexico border today by detaining hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and children “fits very cleanly” inside the historical definition of concentration camps, Pitzer argued.

OK, so Pitzer's a dummy too.

 

[Ouroboros]

from your post, i take it you want there to be a future instances for the USA to operate concentration camps
it would then seem you have been unable to grasp the message OAC was presenting

This game of "turn-it-around" isn't nearly as inspired as the goofy one where people can't criticize dopes like Ilhan Omar and Cory Booker without revealing that they are (gasp, choke) EE-VIL RACISTS!

Keep trying, maybe you'll reach that exalted level of absurdity someday.

 

[justabubba]

This game of "turn-it-around" isn't nearly as inspired as the goofy one where people can't criticize dopes like Ilhan Omar and Cory Booker without revealing that they are (gasp, choke) EE-VIL RACISTS!

Keep trying, maybe you'll reach that exalted level of absurdity someday.

anyone care to translate this

 

[Deuce]

The camps literally are concentration camps. It would be dishonest to call them something else. Nazis turning theirs into camps of mass death doesn't change what our concentration camps are. Right wingers will do absolutely anything to avoid talking about what's actually happening at our camps.

 

[NWRatCon]

The camps literally are concentration camps. It would be dishonest to call them something else. Nazis turning theirs into camps of mass death doesn't change what our concentration camps are. Right wingers will do absolutely anything to avoid talking about what's actually happening at our camps.

This thread was started in typical right-wing fashion: equal parts ignorance of history and outright deception. It is such a recurring theme it is predictable and has to be deliberate. AS has been pointed out, AOC did not invoke NAZIS, her critics did. Indeed, she specifically differentiated her comments, and is legally, historically, and definitionally correct.

We need the history of concentration camps to understand the risks of maintaining such facilities. US Immigration and Customs Enforcement holds more people in detention centers now than Germany held in its camps when the Second World War began. In paying companies to run detention centers, we are creating the perverse incentives that were also present in German camps and ghettos. In detaining people without quick and speedy trials, we violate international law. In denying detainees due process, we question our own Constitution.

(I've lost the link the quote came from, but will add it when I find it. Ed. Found it! CNN)

Concentration camps have a long and storied history outside of Nazi Germany, including in the United States. See,
Korematsu v. United_States.

But there’s no need to be as evil as the Nazis to go down in concentration camp history. Several U.S. administrations have gone down this inglorious road, but Trump’s may have crossed an important line, and AOC was right to call it out.

AOC Wasn't Wrong About Concentration Camps (Bloomberg, opinion). But Trump's concentration camps are qualitatively different than the concentration camps "justified" in Koramatsu: they are intended to be as dehumanizing and arbitrary as they are. In that way they have a kinship to the Nazi ghettos of Warsaw and the Gulags of the Soviet Union.

 

[NWRatCon]

If the fact that The Cruelty is the Point wasn't made clear before, Trump's pronouncements regarding Trump's Order to ICE to Start Family Raids on Sunday made the point explicit, and it is having its desired effect: ‘The effect is terror. We’re getting call after call after call’. What scares me, though, is the lengths and logical contortions Trump sycophants, official and unofficial, will go to to justify these activities. Excusing these actions is un-American, and more akin to the "collaborations" experienced 80 years ago in Europe.