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AntiFa and Freedom of Speech from the Horse's Mouth

haymarket said:
There are some on the far right who hate those on the left so deeply, and have been so brainwashed to hate the left, that even if it means defending the worst of those on the right, they cannot help themselves and cannot restrain their knee jerk impulse to attack groups like ANTIFA even though they are largely just boogey men in the minds of right wingers and have no real consequence in the real world.
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Dumb response, not to mention an utter lie. We aren't defending the white nationalists, neo-Nazis, etc, we are defending their right to free speech on principle. We are saying both are wrong in their message and that Antifa is wrong in their violent methods, as the neo Nazi scumbags are when they use intimidation and violence.
 
William Rea said:
None of that has actually been discussed in depth because, we are still stuck on your false assertion of what constitutes fascism and hellhounds cherry picking of a definition. There have been lots of posts but, as far as I am concerned nothing has moved beyond that because you have both provided plenty of rhetoric and evasion but, nothing of substance
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Except actual definitions that agree with what we said.

Politically expediency is skewering your argument because you can't admit what Anitfa really is.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What table? Link to this table with the white power doods.

kessler has been disavowed, racism has been disavowed, the alt-right disavowed.

By your logic, since Anthony wiener is a pedophile, all democrats are pedophiles, even if they claim they are against it. There is no atonement and no absolution for any democrat because once there was a democrat pedophile.



ANTIFA, like your posts show, are clowns looking for a circus. fighting a non existent enemy.


No here you are, having an issue with the things that made this country great.






Is this a quote or something you created in your own mind?
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Same logic, all Democratic congress members are part of the KKK because of Byrd. Its ludicrous.
 
haymarket said:
Only to the delusional mind of the far right believer.
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A lie of omission is added to your total. Include the rest and please address it.

Namely:
We aren't defending the white nationalists, neo-Nazis, etc, we are defending their right to free speech on principle. We are saying both are wrong in their message and that Antifa is wrong in their violent methods, as the neo Nazi scumbags are when they use intimidation and violence.
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Antifa is getting a little confused....

 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What table? Link to this table with the white power doods.

kessler has been disavowed, racism has been disavowed, the alt-right disavowed.
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Gavin knew Kessler was a white supremacist when he initiated him into the Proud Boys. It's a bit late to disavow him after they made him a second degree member and espousing the same values that lured him in, in the first place.


By your logic, since Anthony wiener is a pedophile, all democrats are pedophiles, even if they claim they are against it. There is no atonement and no absolution for any democrat because once there was a democrat pedophile.
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Well, to say the Proud Boys aren't racist is like saying they don't drive an automobile...they drive a car.



ANTIFA, like your posts show, are clowns looking for a circus. fighting a non existent enemy.
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It wasn't a non existent enemy that killed that woman in Charlottesville...or marched the night before with nazi haircuts and torches.

No here you are, having an issue with the things that made this country great.

Our culture is better than your culture.

Our women should stay home and make babies

Our country has no more room for immigrants

We are being persecuted.
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Is this a quote or something you created in your own mind?
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That's the overlap between what the PB espouse and what white supremacists believe. Gavin admitted as much at 25:41 in the interview.


Alt right embraces Proud Boy...

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It doesn't look like Gavin disavowed the Alt-right to me.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
A lie of omission is added to your total. Include the rest and please address it.

Namely:
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ANTIFA is not even a pimple on the ass of the left. Its less than inconsequential. ITs funny to see the usual right wingers here obsess about it like they actually matter. Its just more of the knee jerk - lets attack leftists because we hate leftists - nonsense that amounts to one rightie giving aid and comfort to the obsessions of another rightie. And if it makes you guys look like you are defending idiots not he far right - you could not care less and are willing to accept that dirt just as long as it make3s you all feel good to trash hated leftists.
 
OlNate said:
With all the discussion around AntiFa and their opposition to "Freedom of Speech", I figured it might be fun to post what AntiFa is saying. This is from their website, which I checked out thanks to one of our Right leaning friends here at DP.

https://itsgoingdown.org/liberal-myth-free-speech/

Now, before this turns into a giant "**** YOU, NATE!!!", I will lead out by saying that I am not specifically condoning, endorsing, or defending anything herein, this was merely to provide context for those interested in knowing where AntiFa stands, so as to avoid talking out one's ass about things they don't really totally know about.

That said, the author makes some pretty damn good points, and it would be interesting to see it debated, if we can avoid this turning into 50 pages of "AntiFa sucks, **** you!!" "No, Nazis suck, **** you!!" "No, the Left sucks, **** you!!" "No, the Right sucks, **** you!!".
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That was painful to read, I didn't finish. Kind of reminds me of a former professor who just like to hear how educated he sounded while lecturing. Most of us left the room saying WTF was he talking about.
 
holbritter said:
That was painful to read, I didn't finish. Kind of reminds me of a former professor who just like to hear how educated he sounded while lecturing. Most of us left the room saying WTF was he talking about.
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lol...ya, it was a little self indulgent. Again, not advocating for it, just putting it out there who want to hear how AntiFa are self describing and self representing. :)
 
haymarket said:
ANTIFA is not even a pimple on the ass of the left. Its less than inconsequential. ITs funny to see the usual right wingers here obsess about it like they actually matter. Its just more of the knee jerk - lets attack leftists because we hate leftists - nonsense that amounts to one rightie giving aid and comfort to the obsessions of another rightie. And if it makes you guys look like you are defending idiots not he far right - you could not care less and are willing to accept that dirt just as long as it make3s you all feel good to trash hated leftists.
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Wrong. I dislike both groups.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Please have clue one before your open your mouth.
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Definition of fascism

1 often capitalized :a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 :a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality —J. W. Aldridge

Your definition seems to be missing
 
jet57 said:
Definition of fascism

1 often capitalized :a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 :a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
early instances of army fascism and brutality —J. W. Aldridge

Your definition seems to be missing
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We weren't talking about fasc-ism, were we? Scurry on back to your unsourced definition and get fascist.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You wouldn't know correct if it bit you in the ass.
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A personal attack like that is not debate.It perhaps makes you feel good - but if fails to rise to the level of debate.
 
haymarket said:
A personal attack like that is not debate.It perhaps makes you feel good - but if fails to rise to the level of debate.
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You should know, you fail to rise to the level of debate with nearly every post.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You should know, you fail to rise to the level of debate with nearly every post.
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These personal attacks my make you feel better about yourself, but they are not debate. Do try and discuss the topic.
 
Moot said:
Gavin knew Kessler was a white supremacist when he initiated him into the Proud Boys. It's a bit late to disavow him after they made him a second degree member and espousing the same values that lured him in, in the first place.
Well, to say the Proud Boys aren't racist is like saying they don't drive an automobile...they drive a car.
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It's clear nothing can be said to convince you, not multi ethnicities in the organization, not the page one disavowal, Not the fact that gavin is married to a native american, not that the richard spencers of the world hate him, not the fact I have shown you all sorts of people of different ethnicities, nada.


we really have nothing to talk about now. you call them racist, I am showing you at this point you are lying, just like the media you are a slave to.



It wasn't a non existent enemy that killed that woman in Charlottesville...or marched the night before with nazi haircuts and torches.
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yes, that handful of actual nazis were bad guys, and the enemy, the victim chose to go to battle, and in battle sometimes things happen.
https://www.salon.com/2017/08/21/heather-heyer-picked-her-side_partner-2/

She was a communist.

https://www.iww.org/culture/official/preamble.shtml

Communists killed more than the nazis, so was she really any better than any of the nazis there? She supported an equally evil ideology, she went to battle and got killed. I have little sympathy for people who support tyrannical oppressive murderous ideologies.


These people, like the proud boys are not nazis or white nationalists:

WATCH: Anti-Trump Rioter Sprays Girl In Face With Pepper Spray | Daily Wire
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-went-looking-for-him/?utm_term=.d75b88035206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_kb4tm_qKc
http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/11/p...antifa-and-patriot-prayer-results-in-arrests/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...keley/?tid=ss_mail-amp&utm_term=.3f187f5013fc
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/...violence-against-trump-supporters-capitalists


That's the overlap between what the PB espouse and what white supremacists believe. Gavin admitted as much at 25:41 in the interview.
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Mike Rowe has your answer:

"You say that White Nationalists believe that everyone who goes to college is an “academic elite.” You then say that Republicans promote “anti-intellectualism.” You offer no proof to support either claim, but it really doesn’t matter – your statements successfully connect two radically different organizations by alleging a shared belief. Thus, White Nationalists and The Republican Party suddenly have something in common – a contempt for higher education. Then, you make it personal. You say that Republicans “love” me because they believe that my initiative and “their” initiative are one and the same. But of course, “their” initiative - according to you - is now the same initiative as White Nationalists.
Very clever. Without offering a shred of evidence, you’ve implied that Republicans who support mikeroweWORKS do so because they believe I share their disdain for all things “intellectual.” And poof - just like that, Republicans, White Nationalists, and mikeroweWORKS are suddenly conflated, and the next thing you know, I’m off on a press tour to disavow rumors of my troubling association with the Nazis!"

https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMik...9994.116999698310182/1639268949416575/?type=3




Alt right embraces Proud Boy...
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They do? even with the race traitor guy who started it and all the "mud people" who are members? seems odd, doesn't it?


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It doesn't look like Gavin disavowed the Alt-right to me.
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http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/09/19/milo-destroy-alt-right-speech/



Don't you get tired of chasing windmills don quixote? So I show you him specifically denouncing the alt-right, white nationalists, and your comeback proof that he's a nazi is a gay guy?


what's great about the proud boys is it's a giant mocking troll, that even though you get told this, you see nazis everywhere. How stupid is that?
 
haymarket said:
These personal attacks my make you feel better about yourself, but they are not debate. Do try and discuss the topic.
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Hit the triangle or quit whining, I assure absolutely no one cares what the hell you think.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Hit the triangle or quit whining, I assure absolutely no one cares what the hell you think.
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Making a factual observation of reality is not whining. It is merely observing.

And yet another personal attack post from you without even coming close to the topic. Of course, maybe you think "freedom of speech" in the thread title means your freedom to attack me while ignoring the rest of the topic? It sure seems that way.
 
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