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AntiFa and Freedom of Speech from the Horse's Mouth

OpportunityCost said:
Don't need to, you are using your array of stall tactics. You are proving my point for me.
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If you cannot support your own claims - it you you who FAIL..... but then what else is new?
 
haymarket said:
If you cannot support your own claims - it you you who FAIL..... but then what else is new?
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Waahhhhh, cry more. You don't have a point, you never do. You just argue in circles and hopes no one notices.
 
haymarket said:
And that is an intellectual response!?!?!?!?!? :doh:roll:

When will you ever present the evidence to support your claims?

NEVER so it appears.
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I already did, thread link already posted. But of course you fall back to denying it says what it says it does. So, what does it say?
 
OpportunityCost said:
LOL, aside from trying to prevent it, they have nothing to do with free speech! What do you call a group that tries to prevent free speech with violence and justifies it as self defense to deny culpability?

Yet not a one of you will even TRY to define what Antifa is, you just keep denying they aren't acting like fascists. When, in fact, they are acting exactly like fascists, using intimidation and physical violence to achieve political power. Tell me, what else would you call that?
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I don't try to defend antifa because I don't believe in antifa; how do you like them apples?

As I said, and for the very last time: I gave three examples wherein violence and intimidation were used on others to force an agenda and by your metric THEY were all fascist too. So give it up already.
 
OpportunityCost said:
LOL, aside from trying to prevent it, they have nothing to do with free speech! What do you call a group that tries to prevent free speech with violence and justifies it as self defense to deny culpability?

Yet not a one of you will even TRY to define what Antifa is, you just keep denying they aren't acting like fascists. When, in fact, they are acting exactly like fascists, using intimidation and physical violence to achieve political power. Tell me, what else would you call that?
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The Law of UltraViolence. Whoever is more violent wins at that game. And when people observe an enemy they keep pressing the "electrocute them" button. They will even shot innocents after they know they are innocent..... Just to not be wrong to themselves....

 
jet57 said:
I don't try to defend antifa because I don't believe in antifa; how do you like them apples?

As I said, and for the very last time: I gave three examples wherein violence and intimidation were used on others to force an agenda and by your metric THEY were all fascist too. So give it up already.
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One of your examples was the US during WW2. That's laughable and false on its face.

Examine any clarification to the definition since the initial post and you keep running back to it like something cannot be clarified. I guess when you don't have an argument, that's what you do, ignore any explanation that makes your argument look silly.

I am offering you a compromise, yet you wont even attempt to define what Antifa is. If you argue they are not fascist, you must have some defined idea of what you think they are. Please provide your definition for examination. Or, you know, admit they act JUST like fascists.
 
OpportunityCost said:
One of your examples was the US during WW2. That's laughable and false on its face.

Examine any clarification to the definition since the initial post and you keep running back to it like something cannot be clarified. I guess when you don't have an argument, that's what you do, ignore any explanation that makes your argument look silly.

I am offering you a compromise, yet you wont even attempt to define what Antifa is. If you argue they are not fascist, you must have some defined idea of what you think they are. Please provide your definition for examination. Or, you know, admit they act JUST like fascists.
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This is what you said, I saw no clarification.

OpportunityCost said:
If they are using violence and intimidation to achieve their ends, they are being fascists because of their methods. Using euphemisms to pretty it up is intellectually bankrupt.
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OpportunityCost said:
I already did, thread link already posted. But of course you fall back to denying it says what it says it does. So, what does it say?
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and in which post do you claim to have done this?
 
haymarket said:
and in which post do you claim to have done this?
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Nope, that the problem with you issuing blanket denials all the time without reading what's there. Go and find it. Not my job to post things multiple times because you cant be bothered to actually read responses and respond to them with some thought.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Nope, that the problem with you issuing blanket denials all the time without reading what's there. Go and find it. Not my job to post things multiple times because you cant be bothered to actually read responses and respond to them with some thought.
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I knew you could not produce it since it was never there in the first place. You simply engaged in dishonest tactics to avoid having to back up your own false claims about my posts.

As always.
 
OpportunityCost said:
One of your examples was the US during WW2. That's laughable and false on its face.

Examine any clarification to the definition since the initial post and you keep running back to it like something cannot be clarified. I guess when you don't have an argument, that's what you do, ignore any explanation that makes your argument look silly.

I am offering you a compromise, yet you wont even attempt to define what Antifa is. If you argue they are not fascist, you must have some defined idea of what you think they are. Please provide your definition for examination. Or, you know, admit they act JUST like fascists.
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I don't remember using WW2 as an example, you'll have to show me that. Your compromise leaves you being right and you certainly are not.
 
jet57 said:
I don't remember using WW2 as an example, you'll have to show me that. Your compromise leaves you being right and you certainly are not.
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Yet you still decline the offer to define Antifa yourself. Try.
 
jet57 said:
I defined it some posts ago; go find it.

You're just babbling now dude.
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This is the lame pile of fail you are passing off as a definition:

jet57 said:
They don't align with any political group that I can see. They want to stir up our system through taking over demonstrations.
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A fifth grader could do better. It does not ascribe methods or goals, it doesn't discuss alignments in the slightest, its a joke. Make an honest try.
 
OpportunityCost said:
This is the lame pile of fail you are passing off as a definition:



A fifth grader could do better. It does not ascribe methods or goals, it doesn't discuss alignments in the slightest, its a joke. Make an honest try.
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There really is nothing else to say about an organized group of disturbers with no stated goal or allies that can advance their purported agenda.
 
jet57 said:
There really is nothing else to say about an organized group of disturbers with no stated goal or allies that can advance their purported agenda.
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Is that a cop out, a dodge, or an evasion? Because its not a definition with an ounce of effort put into it.

If you want to drop out of the conversation because you have nothing to contribute, that's fine too, but make some effort.
 
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