AntiFa and Freedom of Speech from the Horse's Mouth

[Flouncy Magoo]

Looks like the cops knew in advance what the Nazis were going to do. They just didn't care. They courted their violence.

What the “alt-left� was actually doing in Charlottesville.

Emails Show Police Downplayed Threat Of Far-Right Groups In Charlottesville
Emails obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request show that UVA police were made aware of the impending threat of far-right groups, but downplayed the potential for violence, even turning down offers of assistance from other departments.

Of course, lots of Nazis are cops, so there's that...

 

[jet57]

It's considerably less. Nazis murdered and beat people. Antifa defended their lives. Don't let the MSM fool you.

Oh I'm not being fooled by anything; trust me.

To show up and THEN fight for defense is one thing. To show up looking for a fight the way the right-wing and Black Bloc do is something else entirely. There are also "plants" who incite violence to undermine a demonstration as well. That's why the hitters have to be grabbed and investigated.

 

[Media_Truth]

Oh I'm not being fooled by anything; trust me.

To show up and THEN fight for defense is one thing. To show up looking for a fight the way the right-wing and Black Bloc do is something else entirely. There are also "plants" who incite violence to undermine a demonstration as well. That's why the hitters have to be grabbed and investigated.

I prefer the ARA (Anti-Racist Action Network) to Antifa. They still confront the Nazi gatherings, but it seems they make more effort to remain peaceful.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...16/who-are-the-antifa/?utm_term=.b608913a2568
In the United States and Canada, activists of the Anti-Racist Action Network (ARA) doggedly pursued Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other assorted white supremacists from the late 1980s into the 2000s. Their motto was simple but bold: “We go where they go.” If Nazi skinheads handed out leaflets at a punk show in Indiana about how “Hitler was right,” ARA was there to show them the door. If fascists plastered downtown Alberta’s Edmonton with racist posters, ARA tore them down and replaced them with anti-racist slogans.

 

[jet57]

I prefer the ARA (Anti-Racist Action Network) to Antifa. They still confront the Nazi gatherings, but it seems they make more effort to remain peaceful.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...16/who-are-the-antifa/?utm_term=.b608913a2568
In the United States and Canada, activists of the Anti-Racist Action Network (ARA) doggedly pursued Klansmen, neo-Nazis and other assorted white supremacists from the late 1980s into the 2000s. Their motto was simple but bold: “We go where they go.” If Nazi skinheads handed out leaflets at a punk show in Indiana about how “Hitler was right,” ARA was there to show them the door. If fascists plastered downtown Alberta’s Edmonton with racist posters, ARA tore them down and replaced them with anti-racist slogans.

Interesting article; thank you for posting it.

 

[fmw]

No antifa is not worse; their violence is the same as far right groups.

They are same in terms of violence. They are far worse in terms of their goals.

 

[fmw]

Tell us again, how many people did Antifa murder in Charlottesville? The Nazis murdered 2, and injured dozens more.

Antifa saved lives. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ft_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html

Neither group murdered anyone. A criminal or two did, however.

 

[jet57]

They are same in terms of violence. They are far worse in terms of their goals.

I don't see how anarchy and extermination equate.

 

[Flouncy Magoo]

Neither group murdered anyone. A criminal or two did, however.

NAZI criminals. Why do you excuse and defend murderous, terrorist Nazis? Are you a racist, too? Do you admire Hitler like the Nazi driver did?

 

[Common Sense 1]

Yet, there's not one instance of Antifa "terrorism" at all. Just more false equivalence from the mealy-mouthed liars.

I guess you couldn't be bothered to note that.

Hey if you want to support a violent group that attacks people for no reason other than their politics go right ahead.
Antifa days are numbered. DOJ and the FBI will shut down their illegal activities very soon and send the thugs to jail where they belong!

Even goofy Nancy Pelosi knows that Antifa are nothing but criminals.

In a Tuesday statement, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called out by name the antifa, or “anti-fascists,” for the first time since Sunday’s leftist violence in Berkeley.

“Our democracy has no room for inciting violence or endangering the public, no matter the ideology of those who commit such acts,” the California Democrat said in a statement. “The violent actions of people calling themselves antifa in Berkeley this weekend deserve unequivocal condemnation, and the perpetrators should be arrested and prosecuted.”

Nancy Pelosi finally condemns Antifa for Berkeley violence - Washington Times

 

[Flouncy Magoo]

No one's surprised a neoliberal center right Democrat is too craven to tell the truth.

 

[fmw]

NAZI criminals. Why do you excuse and defend murderous, terrorist Nazis? Are you a racist, too? Do you admire Hitler like the Nazi driver did?

Stupid post. I defended nobody.

 

[fmw]

I don't see how anarchy and extermination equate.

Neither do I. That is why I didn't equate them. I just said that anarchy is the more dangerous.

 

[jet57]

Neither do I. That is why I didn't equate them. I just said that anarchy is the more dangerous.

More dangerous that extermination?

okay

 

[fmw]

More dangerous that extermination?

okay

I don't see any extermination going on. I do see some anarchy going on, however.

 

[fmw]

NAZI criminals. Why do you excuse and defend murderous, terrorist Nazis? Are you a racist, too? Do you admire Hitler like the Nazi driver did?

You have passed the point of reason. No point in wasting any time on you. I EXCUSED NOBODY. I DEFENDED NEITHER GROUP. I DID THE OPPOSITE.

 

[jet57]

I don't see any extermination going on. I do see some anarchy going on, however.

Where is there anarchy going on?

 

[jimbo]

With all the discussion around AntiFa and their opposition to "Freedom of Speech", I figured it might be fun to post what AntiFa is saying. This is from their website, which I checked out thanks to one of our Right leaning friends here at DP.

https://itsgoingdown.org/liberal-myth-free-speech/

Now, before this turns into a giant "**** YOU, NATE!!!", I will lead out by saying that I am not specifically condoning, endorsing, or defending anything herein, this was merely to provide context for those interested in knowing where AntiFa stands, so as to avoid talking out one's ass about things they don't really totally know about.

That said, the author makes some pretty damn good points, and it would be interesting to see it debated, if we can avoid this turning into 50 pages of "AntiFa sucks, **** you!!" "No, Nazis suck, **** you!!" "No, the Left sucks, **** you!!" "No, the Right sucks, **** you!!".

The author loses the argument when he states that the belief in unicorns is contingent on whether or not unicorns are good for society, then tries to compare that to free speech being dependent on the good to society.

Both arguments fail.

 

[countryboy]

With all the discussion around AntiFa and their opposition to "Freedom of Speech", I figured it might be fun to post what AntiFa is saying. This is from their website, which I checked out thanks to one of our Right leaning friends here at DP.

https://itsgoingdown.org/liberal-myth-free-speech/

Now, before this turns into a giant "**** YOU, NATE!!!", I will lead out by saying that I am not specifically condoning, endorsing, or defending anything herein, this was merely to provide context for those interested in knowing where AntiFa stands, so as to avoid talking out one's ass about things they don't really totally know about.

That said, the author makes some pretty damn good points, and it would be interesting to see it debated, if we can avoid this turning into 50 pages of "AntiFa sucks, **** you!!" "No, Nazis suck, **** you!!" "No, the Left sucks, **** you!!" "No, the Right sucks, **** you!!".

What could the Antifan possibly have to say that would justify attacking innocent bystanders, police, and people who aren't in any way, fascists? To say nothing of wanton destruction of private property. Sorry, but I couldn't possibly care less what this douchebag has to say.

 

[fmw]

Where is there anarchy going on?

Berkeley and other places.

 

[ocean515]

Where is there anarchy going on?

I invite you to read the first hand account in the attacked link.

A Beating in Berkeley | The Weekly Standard

 

[bubbabgone]

Where is there anarchy going on?

 

[Common Sense 1]

No one's surprised a neoliberal center right Democrat is too craven to tell the truth.

Like I said to you before if you want to support a violent group (Antifa) that attacks people for no reason other than their politics go right ahead.
Looks like 2018 will be another losing election years for the democrats!

 

[akyron]

Can't say I'm really interested in what a group that engages in violence and political intimidation has to say about rights.

I dont like it but its free speech and should be allowed. Scratch that.. MUST be allowed.

 

[akyron]

What could the Antifan possibly have to say that would justify attacking innocent bystanders, police, and people who aren't in any way, fascists? To say nothing of wanton destruction of private property. Sorry, but I couldn't possibly care less what this douchebag has to say.

Its called repressive intolerance. Marcuse wrote something called An essay on Liberation. It educates the left on how to promote socialist revolutions. A book called "critique of pure tolerance" was written by him that provides the moral justification for terrorizing, bullying, defiling, disruption of pretty much anyone outside their Gleichschaltung(today we call it political correctness) ."

This is where they get the "no free speech for fascists" chant. The irony is breathtaking.

This of course leads to the lefts open disdain for equal rights for citizens and people in general.

The funny part is under no circumstances is it ever actually demonstrated that the people they are repressing are actual fascists.

Recently in boston thousands of people came out to counter protest nazis and ended up shouting down a black guy who was excercising his free speech rights to protest against genetically modified foods, and a cannabis proponent . Screaming nazi at them all the time....It would be laughable if the mob wasnt so dangerous.


Boston Free Speech Coalition

"I find it creepy that a crowd of 30,000, a city government, and a police force effectively shut down an event that was designed to defend free speech! I find it even creepier that masked members of the violent antifa group, who openly despise free speech, mixed openly and easily with the crowd and delighted in disrupting the event, while hurling rocks and bottles of urine at the police.

Mercifully, a few others have weighed in. WBUR reporter Bruce Gellerman recalled Frederick Douglass’s “Plea for Free Speech,” where Douglass took on Boston’s mayor and police department for suppressing an abolitionist rally. There is a right to speak, Douglass said, but “equally clear is the right to hear.” Veteran free-speech advocate Harvey Silverglate also wrote a stirring piece: “Boston shortchanged itself and the nation last weekend when, in effect, it gamed the First Amendment.”

Everyone that threw something or broke the laws should have been arrested.

 

[jet57]

Berkeley and other places.

There is no anarchy in Berkeley or other places in this country and I defy you to prove that there is.