Another Good Guy with a Gun...

[Nickyjo]

Its not absurd at all. Its the facts.

I really don't understand your situation and what you are trying to say with your example.. but I wil gets.

So.. you were nearly shot by three plain clothes police. How did that occur? You think because they "assumed you had guns?"...

So... you didn't right? And so your thought is that the police would have been less racist, and less sleepy and less sloppy with police work... if we banned guns?

++ No, they would have been less likely to draw their weapons and point them at me if they hadnt assumed I was armed. They assumed that I, a hijacker-in-waiting, would be armed because so many crooks are here in the US as opposed to other similar countries. It was the right call by the cops, tho they should have identified themselves as they pointed their weapons.

Do you understand just how absurd that is? Think about the fact that most of the police shootings that aren't justified.. usually happen in areas that have strict gun control.. where the number of armed people is a heck of a lot less than say out in the rural areas where just about everyone has a firearm of some kind.

++ The percentage of armed residents in rural areas might be higher, much as the percentage of hunters or sport shooters might be, but not the number of armed crooks. Apples and oranges. I recently looked up a related issue. Sheriffs/police in rural areas are less likely to support gun control than counterparts in urban areas. Not much of a surprise.


Sorry man but that just doesn't compute.

Now the paralyzed friend "who might be walking".. if the jealous guy couldn't "easily find a gun". Well or a car to run him over.. or a bat to hit in the head.. or a myriad of other ways that your friend could have been paralyzed by being attacked. Its absurd to think its about the gun. Think about it for more than a second.

Every piece of information shows its not the issue...

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++ Gun is easy to hide, easy to dispose of, doesn’t get blood spattered on it or dented as a bat or a car. It’s convenient, why his attacker didn’t use a bow and arrow. You seems to be twisting yourself out of shape to argue that lots of guns are no factor at all. I am simply maintaining — as most police would— that guns are one of many factors that lead to a large homicide rate in the US as compared to other, similar countries. You are free to worship your iron idols, but don’t kid yourself about the effect their omnipresence has.

 

[Rich2018]

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++ Gun is easy to hide, easy to dispose of, doesn’t get blood spattered on it or dented as a bat or a car. It’s convenient, why his attacker didn’t use a bow and arrow. You seems to be twisting yourself out of shape to argue that lots of guns are no factor at all. I am simply maintaining — as most police would— that guns are one of many factors that lead to a large homicide rate in the US as compared to other, similar countries. You are free to worship your iron idols, but don’t kid yourself about the effect their omnipresence has.

You get a lot of gun owners trying to say that there'd be nu reduction in death if guns were banned because people like mass shooters could use a truck or a bomb to kill people when in actual fact they wouldn't according to the experience from around the world.

There'd be less suicides too and more survivors of suicide attempts.

 

[calamity]

You get a lot of gun owners trying to say that there'd be nu reduction in death if guns were banned because people like mass shooters could use a truck or a bomb to kill people when in actual fact they wouldn't according to the experience from around the world.

There'd be less suicides too and more survivors of suicide attempts.

I'll never forget how those gun assholes reacted when a "good kid" stole his "good mother's" arsenal and unloaded on a room fool of first graders, shooting 26 dead.

Hint, it wasn't like this.

How a normal human reacts when hearing 26 little kids were shot dead

 

[Rich2018]

I'll never forget how those gun assholes reacted when a "good kid" stole his "good mother's" arsenal and unloaded on a room fool of first graders, shooting 26 dead.

Hint, it wasn't like this.

How a normal human reacts when hearing 26 little kids were shot dead

You probably heard a lot of ONE incident !!!


And arrest the shooter not the guns

And, well cars kill more

And, if he couldn't have got guns, he'd have made a bomb and killed more.

 

[TurtleDude]

I'll never forget how those gun assholes reacted when a "good kid" stole his "good mother's" arsenal and unloaded on a room fool of first graders, shooting 26 dead.

Hint, it wasn't like this.

How a normal human reacts when hearing 26 little kids were shot dead

you mean the guy who killed his mother to get her guns and then killed himself--and people like you started screaming for BACKGROUND CHECKS?

 

[Rich2018]

you mean the guy who killed his mother to get her guns and then killed himself--and people like you started screaming for BACKGROUND CHECKS?

Background checks are only a half measure that might stop some gun related crime, mandatory registration might stop a few more.

But only a total ban will significantly stop gun related violence.


Surely I've told you that enough times by now ?


How else would you stop this attack ?

 

[TurtleDude]

Background checks are only a half measure that might stop some gun related crime, mandatory registration might stop a few more.

But only a total ban will significantly stop gun related violence.


Surely I've told you that enough times by now ?


How else would you stop this attack ?

gun confiscation would cause thousands of deaths. so your claims are bogus. I asked you a question once you never answered. Some claim they would die to defend their constitutional rights-would you be willing to die to take those rights away from them? Now, many who make that claim I think are not serious-but some are. But how do you answer them?

 

[Rich2018]

gun confiscation would cause thousands of deaths....

And your evidence for this is the big talk of posters on here?

What about the evidence of gun confiscation is LA following Katrina ?

...some claim they would die to defend their constitutional rights-would you be willing to die to take those rights away from them? Now, many who make that claim I think are not serious-but some are. But how do you answer them?

If you repealed the 2nd amendment with an amendment banning guns, would those same people swear to die protecting the same Constitution ?

Because they'd have NO constitutional right to own a gun.

 

[TurtleDude]

And your evidence for this is the big talk of posters on here?

What about the evidence of gun confiscation is LA following Katrina ?




If you repealed the 2nd amendment with an amendment banning guns, would those same people swear to die protecting the same Constitution ?

Because they'd have NO constitutional right to own a gun.

still not answering my question I see.

 

[Rich2018]

still not answering my question I see.

No, your just not reading it.

 

[TurtleDude]

No, your just not reading it.

Dealing with gun banners for more than four decades, I have learned that they have a hard time in answering direct questions, directly. But that is a given because they almost never are honest about their real motivations in the first place

 

[Rich2018]

Dealing with gun banners for more than four decades, I have learned that they have a hard time in answering direct questions, directly. But that is a given because they almost never are honest about their real motivations in the first place

I know you want me to ask you what the damn question you think wasn't answered was but I really couldn't be bothered trawling through all your posts, so go on, what was it?

 

[calamity]

you mean the guy who killed his mother to get her guns and then killed himself--and people like you started screaming for BACKGROUND CHECKS?

Both were legal gun owners. Right?

 

[TurtleDude]

I know you want me to ask you what the damn question you think wasn't answered was but I really couldn't be bothered trawling through all your posts, so go on, what was it?

you seem invested in trying to disarm 100 million people in a country you moved to for some BS reason that really has nothing to do with public safety. I presume there will be at least 10 million people that won't go along with gun bans and will fight back. Some-have stickers on their cars or wear t-shirts saying "I am willing to die to protect my constitutional rights-are you willing to die to take them away". Now I will be honest with you, many of those people are not going to make good on their claims. But I am sure some will-so what is your answer to them?

 

[TurtleDude]

Both were legal gun owners. Right?

NO-Adam Lanza committed murder to get her guns

Here are the laws he violated before he attacked the school

First degree premeditated murder
Possession of stolen property
Felonious assault
Possession of a firearm for the purpose of committing a felony

among others. what people like you NEVER EVER explain is this:

how are the silly laws you wish to pass, going to stop someone who is undeterred by the consequences of committing first degree murder?

 

[Rich2018]

you seem invested in trying to disarm 100 million people in a country you moved to for some BS reason that really has nothing to do with public safety.

You don't think 10,000 homicides and 70,000+ gun related injuries pa. has "nothing" to do with public safety ?

I presume there will be at least 10 million people that won't go along with gun bans and will fight back....

Presumption, not evidence is at the core of your posts

Some-have stickers on their cars or wear t-shirts saying "I am willing to die to protect my constitutional rights-are you willing to die to take them away". Now I will be honest with you, many of those people are not going to make good on their claims. But I am sure some will-so what is your answer to them?

What would be your criteria for "some"

I think you're right but your criteria is probably different to mine.

 

[TurtleDude]

You don't think 10,000 homicides and 70,000+ gun related injuries pa. has "nothing" to do with public safety ?





Presumption, not evidence is at the core of your posts





What would be your criteria for "some"

I think you're right but your criteria is probably different to mine.

I don't think saving lives has anything to do with what motivates your anti gun nonsense

 

[CaughtInThe]

This ex-wife was shot and killed by her ex-husband 6 days ago...

 

[Rich2018]

I don't think saving lives has anything to do with what motivates your anti gun nonsense

By all means what do you think it is

And what motivates the anti gun common sense ?



Why do you want your guns?

 

[Rich2018]

This ex-wife was shot and killed by her ex-husband 6 days ago...

Gun owners will say it's her fault as she should have had a gun!!!

 

[TurtleDude]

By all means what do you think it is

And what motivates the anti gun common sense ?



Why do you want your guns?

1) several reasons

a) fear of guns
b) political hatred of most gun owners
c) pillow headed utopianism
d) cultural warfare.
3) projection of one's own fear of being able to handle guns

2) I like to shoot
a) I like being able to deal with violent criminals from a superior position

 

[TurtleDude]

This ex-wife was shot and killed by her ex-husband 6 days ago...

and you think someone willing to commit first degree murder is going to obey a gun law?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Gun owners will say it's her fault as she should have had a gun!!!

if you actually listen to them closely, what they want is everyone armed from 18yo to 95yo. because, as they continue to say, being armed stops gun violence.

so, every man, woman, teen and elderly person in every situation (school, pool, store, bar, church, home, work, etc). otherwise, as they preach, the gunmen will just move to the next "soft" spot.

hell, i could list a hundred places that a madman could perform his evil in 15-20 minutes. you really don't have to be all that smart. you just need a weapon (automatic if you want to kill a lot of people) and usually a death wish.

now, most of us (including me) aren't evil and would never even dream about gunning down another human. that's just beyond comprehension for most of us. but, for those that don't mind killing, it's really easy even if everyone is armed (since people don't have eyes in the backs of their heads and guns today have pretty decent ranges).

 

[CaughtInThe]

and you think someone willing to commit first degree murder is going to obey a gun law?

i think we will continue to have a firearm homicide every 54 minutes, a high profile mass shooting around once a month (and other mass shootings every day) and that there is no solution to any of this gun violence (because of the 2nd) and it will continue forever.

i believe that a child born today, if they live to be 90yo, will live through 854,100‬ firearm homicides in their lifetimes (if they're not a victim themselves).

 

[Rich2018]

1) several reasons

a) fear of guns
b) political hatred of most gun owners
c) pillow headed utopianism
d) cultural warfare.
3) projection of one's own fear of being able to handle guns

Guns kill, why shouldn't anyone be afraid of a man with a gun?
Isn't that public safety?

Why would I hate gun owners? They're an obstacle to public safety but "hatred"


Why is a gun ban "utopianism" when most Western countries have managed to do just that.

What does cultural warfare even mean ? You spouting nonsense now


I was a soldier and handled many guns

2) I like to shoot
a) I like being able to deal with violent criminals from a superior position

Recreation and a poor second to peoples lives

Excuse 2.2