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An Argument: Killing Animals For Meat is IMMORAL

Morality has an author. If your belief system holds that eating meat is a violation of your own sense of right and wrong than it is immoral. To you.
 
soylentgreen said:
Livestock could be raised in a humane way. But the point is, they are not. They are raised with a concern only for profit.
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Actually they do exist.
Producers who are Certified Humane® - Certified Humane


Like I said our meat could be raised the most humane way possible and they would still rail against eating meat.Because to peta-tards and another animal rights loons the lives of the animals we eat are equal to that of humans. Which is why a lot of rich peta-tards don't start up their own cruelty free farm and deny they exist.
 
jamesrage said:
Actually they do exist.
Producers who are Certified Humane® - Certified Humane


Like I said our meat could be raised the most humane way possible and they would still rail against eating meat.Because to peta-tards and another animal rights loons the lives of the animals we eat are equal to that of humans. Which is why a lot of rich peta-tards don't start up their own cruelty free farm and deny they exist.
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I agree in fact it is what makes my argument. The fact that there is humane methods and it is possible to run a business with humane methods. This should make us question and reject the fact that there are such things as caged chickens or pigs or cows and sheep being chemically enhanced which is inhumane treatment.

The trouble with concentrating on a the tree huggers as you and others here are doing is that it allows the factory farms to get away with cruel and inhumane treatment. And it is not just for the animal sake but also for us humans who by allowing the mass production and cruel methods are harming our own health by over consuming meat.
 
soylentgreen said:
I agree in fact it is what makes my argument. The fact that there is humane methods and it is possible to run a business with humane methods. This should make us question and reject the fact that there are such things as caged chickens or pigs or cows and sheep being chemically enhanced which is inhumane treatment.
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Those things cost more and are things many customers do not want to pay for. For example you and every hippy tv chef might want to pay several bucks for a dozen cage free "organic" free-range eggs.I don't and most other people don't.

The trouble with concentrating on a the tree huggers as you and others here are doing is that it allows the factory farms to get away with cruel and inhumane treatment. And it is not just for the animal sake but also for us humans who by allowing the mass production and cruel methods are harming our own health by over consuming meat.]
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The fact you have loonies promoting the cause discredits its.
 
jamesrage said:
Those things cost more and are things many customers do not want to pay for. For example you and every hippy tv chef might want to pay several bucks for a dozen cage free "organic" free-range eggs.I don't and most other people don't.
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Then you do so with the knowledge that it creates harm. It is a choice you and anyone makes.
The fact you have loonies promoting the cause discredits its
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Not at all what we really have is people who concentrate on a weak argument that can be easily defeated and then falsely give themselves a pat on the back for defeating the argument. While really they are just using it to avoid the fact that there are good arguments about the cruelty done to animals that they want to ignore so they can go on eating meat without a care of the harm caused.

But as i said, it is not right to force people to choose less harmful but more costly methods. But it is right to point out that the argument you and others concentrate on is nothing more than a weak argument.
 
Fledermaus said:
Great example
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They were fairly large beasts, shame they are gone as they might have been a rather exotic/tasty replacement for Turkey at thanksgiving
 
To this pointless subject I always say, then why don't we stop killing insects? Why don't we watch every step we take in life to assure we don't step on ants? Why are animals more deserving than insects? We should stop driving autos so as to avoid splattering bugs on our hoods and windshields. In fact, why kill plant life that God created? Bottom line: As long as you avoid Jack In The Box you can eat all the meat you want.
 
rhinefire said:
To this pointless subject I always say, then why don't we stop killing insects? Why don't we watch every step we take in life to assure we don't step on ants? Why are animals more deserving than insects? We should stop driving autos so as to avoid splattering bugs on our hoods and windshields. In fact, why kill plant life that God created? Bottom line: As long as you avoid Jack In The Box you can eat all the meat you want.
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Great point and I which I rarely hear.

Shall we call this the Buddhists argument?
 
I'm gonna go two different ways here, the way of the individual and the way of us as a whole.

I go out into the woods to hunt to feed my family, this is not immoral, but the way it was intended. Though, if I go out and I kill a bear only to stuff it and keep it as a trophy, that's immoral.

What Alaska has allowed with the killing of hibernating bears, that's immoral.

Now, the mass slaughter of animals is immoral, but the only way to keep up with the demand of the world. Sure, we could wait until the animals are gonna die of old age and then kill them, but we'd be overrun by chickens and cows.
 
I think that killing animals is morally ok if you eat them. IS any prediatory animal evil or wrong for hunting other animals? NO.... So neither are we as humans
 
jdog21 said:
I think that killing animals is morally ok if you eat them. IS any prediatory animal evil or wrong for hunting other animals? NO.... So neither are we as humans
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I would argue that in nature, predators and prey are on equal playing fields, whereas animals raised for slaughter are pretty much born in a pin.
 
DashingAmerican said:
I would argue that in nature, predators and prey are on equal playing fields, whereas animals raised for slaughter are pretty much born in a pin.
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If lions could raise gazell in a pin for slaughter im sure they would but their just not as smart
 
jamesrage said:
That is just a bull **** excuse by peta-tards and other animal rights loonies. Livestock could be raised the most humane way possible and they would still oppose eating meat.Because if it was just an issue of how the animal was raised many of them would be hunting and fishing for their own meat or buying excess from hunters or they would be buying from farms that meet those "cruelty free" standards instead of just giving up on meat entirely.
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And they eat vegetables that are often made to look like meat. Why do they do that? I don't make my meat look like vegetables and I eat my vegetables in the form of vegetables.
 
ecofarm said:
Beans, greens and nuts can satisfy our nutritional needs in regard to both protein and essential amino acids.
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If I had to live on that then I would lose the will to live.
 
jdog21 said:
I think that killing animals is morally ok if you eat them. IS any prediatory animal evil or wrong for hunting other animals? NO.... So neither are we as humans
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I'm not going to say eating animals is immoral but your reason for saying it is morally ok is flawed. Animals do lots of things that would be considered immoral if humans did it. Yes, predators kill other animals for food. They also often engage in rape and infanticide and theft. Just because something is natural does not make it moral.
 
I suspect a lot fewer cheeseburgers would be eaten today if we had to slaughter and dress our own beef.
 
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