Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Refuses Invitation to Visit Auschwitz Concentration Camp

[apdst]

I couldn't give a stuff. When you come up against partisans who'll say ANYTHING to get their way, you learn to shrug and just be like "who cares?"

That's obvious. :lamo

 

[JasperL]

This is a typical problem for the Left. They just cannot face reality, as it kills their idiotic world view.

Instead they prefer to remain ignorant... and... my oh my this O-Cortez a model of ignorance and stupidity. And she seemingly loves to show it off!!!

Just a few comments.

The term 'concentration camps' simply isn't a synonym for the German run death camps of WWII. Those are some examples of many concentration camps in world history. What also qualifies, for example, are the camps for the Japanese in this country during WWII. FDRs people accurately referred to them as "concentration camps" as well, because that's what they were. The argument appears to be that if it's not as bad as the Jewish concentration camps during the Nazi regime, it doesn't count. That's historically ignorant.

I also don't understand the outrage from some Jewish groups. What does "never again" mean except for the world to be vigilant opposing injustices against minority groups by governments. It makes no sense to withhold 'outrage' or protest until the slaughtering begins. Protesting, early and often, what people see as injustice against minority groups because they are minorities doesn't diminish, IMO, the memory of the Holocaust but honors it. The "final solution" was only begun after a near decade of escalating attacks on the Jewish population. The time to speak out and protest is in the early stages. By the time the killing happens, society has already failed its duty.

Put another way, I can't imagine a Holocaust survivor touring camps in this country where they see kids, filthy, sleeping on concrete, lights on 24/7, no proper access to basic hygiene, inadequate food and medical attention, and coming away with that that the most important thing is that AOC is using the wrong term!

 

[Phys251]

They're mad because there's no ovens in the detention centers yet.

That we know of.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

That we know of.

I think that ultimately if Unter-fuhrer Stephen Miller gets his wishes granted, the dog and cat food companies of America will be getting a brand new source for their meat.
You can't make money off of burning folks in ovens but grinding them up for feed is lucrative.

 

[Buzz62]

They're mad because there's no ovens in the detention centers yet.

That we know of.

I think that ultimately if Unter-fuhrer Stephen Miller gets his wishes granted, the dog and cat food companies of America will be getting a brand new source for their meat.
You can't make money off of burning folks in ovens but grinding them up for feed is lucrative.

I think the comments you two have are sick and rather anti-American.
I also think maybe you two should get a room?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I think the comments you two have are sick and rather anti-American.
I also think maybe you two should get a room?

Pretend you own a facility that houses these people, these illegals.
You're the CEO of, oh say...Corrections Corp. of America. (CCA - a real company)

Do you want the flow of illegals to stop or do you want the flow to increase?

 

[Buzz62]

Pretend you own a facility that houses these people, these illegals.
You're the CEO of, oh say...Corrections Corp. of America. (CCA - a real company)

Do you want the flow of illegals to stop or do you want the flow to increase?

I don't care what Corrections Corp wants, nor would I advocate for the release of thousands of illegals into my nation.
Thus if I was CEO, I'd build cages to exact specs and no more. Ya want comfort? Go home!

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I don't care what Corrections Corp wants, nor would I advocate for the release of thousands of illegals into my nation.
Thus if I was CEO, I'd build cages to exact specs and no more. Ya want comfort? Go home!

I asked a specific question in order to illustrate the absurdity of the situation.
If you don't WANT TO ANSWER the question, just say so.

Pretend you own a facility that houses these people, these illegals.
You make $$$ for every single illegal you have in custody.
Do you want the flow of illegals to stop or do you want the flow to increase?

If you dodge or evade this time, I'll assume you just can't face the question.

 

[Buzz62]

I asked a specific question in order to illustrate the absurdity of the situation.
If you don't WANT TO ANSWER the question, just say so.

Pretend you own a facility that houses these people, these illegals.
You make $$$ for every single illegal you have in custody.
Do you want the flow of illegals to stop or do you want the flow to increase?

If you dodge or evade this time, I'll assume you just can't face the question.

What part of "Ya want comfort? Go home!" does not register with you.
No. I would NOT want more illegals in my nation even if I owned the company that built their cages.
Ya see...unlike sooo many...I care for my nation more than I do for partisan hackery.

 

[Sabre]

I asked a specific question in order to illustrate the absurdity of the situation.
If you don't WANT TO ANSWER the question, just say so.

Pretend you own a facility that houses these people, these illegals.
You make $$$ for every single illegal you have in custody.
Do you want the flow of illegals to stop or do you want the flow to increase?

If you dodge or evade this time, I'll assume you just can't face the question.

This is a deflect from AOC and concentration camps, but this bothered me enough to give what my answer would be:

You have set up a hypothetical that favors you no matter what answer is given, you have a come-back.
You ask someone to pretend something they are not, which is worthless to prove or disprove anything valid.
You then posit that keeping illegals in custody earns one a profit - nothing could be further from reality:

Jun 21, 2018

As of this month, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement runs 113 detention facilities across the country and works with state and local jails along with private prisons to operate hundreds more.

According to ICE’s FY 2018 budget, on average it costs $133.99 a day to maintain one adult detention bed. But immigration groups have pegged the number closer to $200 a day.

The cost to maintain a family bed, which keeps mothers and children together in a family residential center, costs around $319 a day, according to DHS.

But as of April, children have been separated from their parents with much higher frequency, which has led to the creation of “tent cities” to hold thousands of separated children. Those beds cost $775 per person per night, HHS told NBC News.

An ICE spokesman said it does not detain unaccompanied children. However, it does oversee “juvenile facilities,” managed by local jurisdictions, that allow for “temporary housing of children separate from adults.” The average bed rate for this type of facility is $139.40 per day, according to ICE.

The cost of detaining immigrants in the US

Those are the per person figures per day, now multiply those figures times the number of people detained - who is making a profit?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What part of "Ya want comfort? Go home!" does not register with you.
No. I would NOT want more illegals in my nation even if I owned the company that built their cages.
Ya see...unlike sooo many...I care for my nation more than I do for partisan hackery.

You dodged the question again.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

This is a deflect from AOC and concentration camps, but this bothered me enough to give what my answer would be:

You have set up a hypothetical that favors you no matter what answer is given, you have a come-back.
You ask someone to pretend something they are not, which is worthless to prove or disprove anything valid.
You then posit that keeping illegals in custody earns one a profit - nothing could be further from reality:

Jun 21, 2018


The cost of detaining immigrants in the US

Those are the per person figures per day, now multiply those figures times the number of people detained - who is making a profit?

WRONG, I said that private corrections facilities make money on it.
Are you going to try to say that they're building and maintaining privately owned facilities out of sheer patriotism and labor of love?
It bothered you enough that you derailed the subject of the question and made your very own pile of straw.

You didn't even read the rest of your article:

"...But that doesn’t mean people aren’t profiting. In fact, private prison companies are making lots of money off detaining immigrants.

Private profits
Private prisons get stipends from the government to take over responsibilities of running a prison. To get that stipend, their costs must be lower than that of a public prison. The more beds a private prison can fill, the more funding they’ll get from the government.

And just like any business, the more costs they can cut, the bigger that profit margin will be. But many times, that results in poor quality of care for prisoners.

Just look at GEO Group, one of the country’s largest private prison corporations. It donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to a Trump-aligned super PAC, hosted its annual leadership conference at one of Trump’s golf resorts, and just after Trump’s election — its stock soared. Its shares have gained more than 8 percent this year.

In ICE’s FY 2018 budget, it says a “Longer Average Length of Stay (ALOS) will also drive the need for additional detention beds.” Now, GEO Group officials say they expect earnings to rise with increased immigration detention time."

My question had absolutely nothing to do with AOC whatsoever.
You're the CEO (or a major stockholder) for a company that gets paid to warehouse illegals.
Do you want to see the flow of illegals stop or get larger?
Cessation of the illegals means no more profits.

My question demands that the person look at the insanity of private corrections, in even a larger sense than just the immigration question, it demands a person look at the insanity of private corrections in general.
If you make money off illegals, or off warehousing any kind of prisoners, you're going to want MORE prisoners, not less.

 

[JasperL]

WRONG, I said that private corrections facilities make money on it.
Are you going to try to say that they're building and maintaining privately owned facilities out of sheer patriotism and labor of love?
It bothered you enough that you derailed the subject of the question and made your very own pile of straw.

You didn't even read the rest of your article:



My question had absolutely nothing to do with AOC whatsoever.
You're the CEO (or a major stockholder) for a company that gets paid to warehouse illegals.
Do you want to see the flow of illegals stop or get larger?
Cessation of the illegals means no more profits.

My question demands that the person look at the insanity of private corrections, in even a larger sense than just the immigration question, it demands a person look at the insanity of private corrections in general.
If you make money off illegals, or off warehousing any kind of prisoners, you're going to want MORE prisoners, not less.

We saw that early on with AZ and lobbying for SB 1070. E.g. Prison Economics Helped Drive Immigration Law : NPR

Bottom line is there's an inherent conflict when an industry makes money from jailing and warehousing people, and by extension the towns hosting the jails and supplying them, etc. It removes a point of opposition and creates a powerful advocate for more jails, more people detained, for longer periods.

You probably know better than I do that the same thing happened with 3-strikes laws - heavily lobbied for by private prison companies, and also I've read the unions of prison workers. More prisoners is good for business if you own prisons or work in them!

I've seen less direct evidence of it, but I have no doubt that the money made from prisoners at least does not HELP us deal with the War on Drugs effectively, because if we decriminalize drugs or shorten/end mandatory sentences, fewer are locked up, and private prisons rely on full prisons to spread out their fixed costs. Emptying them by even a quarter means they lose money (at least by some accounts). So they lobby against things that might slow prison population growth, and also BTW, write contracts that guarantee full prisons and it's the public ones that eat the losses. Etc.....

And the thing is the private prison companies are NOT shy about admitting this up front to investors, that tougher laws, more people jailed, is how they will grow and deliver good stock price gains. I've read numerous accounts of calls between prison companies and analysts where this is discussed like demand for shoes or clothing or cars. No reason not to discuss it because it's all obvious - they have a real and vested interest in locking as many people into cages for as long as possible, and will lobby when they can for stuff that makes them the most profits. It's how the system works.

It's also no different than, say, pollution. Companies make the most money when they offload the costs of pollution onto the rest of us, so their incentive is to eliminate laws that don't let them do that, because it costs them money and profits, and they don't care if people are harmed. The more harm they spread out to millions of people, the better their stock price at least in the short term.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

It's absolutely incredible. This is the simplest truth imaginable...the logic is indisputable.
If you profit from misery, you want MORE misery, not less.

And yet Trumpers cannot comprehend it.

 

[Buzz62]

You dodged the question again.

What?
Bye...

 

[Phys251]

I think the comments you two have are sick and rather anti-American.
I also think maybe you two should get a room?

Good, you are resorting to personal attacks. A clear sign that your support for the tRump concentration camps has no defense.

 

[Frigidweirdo]

What I think of the 'stuff' Trump says, is not the issue here.
Cortez is. And after careful consideration and the observance of her ideas and methods, I find that she's a ****ing dope!

Actually what you think of stuff Trump says is massively important because this is just partisan nonsense.

Pointing that out shows what's going on here. This is not just people trying to keep their politicians accountable, this is part of some silly game.

 

[zimmer]

So in other words, she never spoke about the Holocaust, and you know it, but you don't want to admit it.

Oh my... another one. ROTFLOL.

First you ask for her quote, claiming you could not find it... now this laughable BS.

Tell me... when people talk about concentration camps, is there any other reference than Nazi Germany?

No.

What is the best known concentration camp? Auschwitz. Dachau a distant second. Bergen-Belsen and Mauthausen barely ever mentioned.

Was O-Cortez referencing FDR’s concentration camps for Americans of Japanese descent? Don’t think so. She’s certainly as dimwitted about that as she is about growing vegetables, garbage disposals and the billions of revenue and jobs she helped kill for NY and her region.

Can you name a concentration camp outside of Nazi Germany? The USSR perhaps with their Gulag Archipelago? But... I’ve never heard that referenced.. ever.. and that place is a close contender with Nazi Germany for the evils it committed.

 

[zimmer]

Good, you are resorting to personal attacks. A clear sign that your support for the tRump concentration camps has no defense.

Where were you folks when Obama was separating children from adults (cannot call them parents for we don’t know if they are).

Where we you folks when Obama put children into cages?

Where were you folks when 6000 children went unaccounted for under Obama?

Where were you folks when Obama put children in the hands of human traffickers who were then used as slave labor and lived in 3rd World conditions?

Where were you folks when Trump said we have a crisis at the border? You were lip synching the words of the Goebbels Media. It wasn’t a crisis... but now... a few months later it is.

Only Democrats are opposed to securing the border... and solving the problem.

Why is that?

Obama administration placed children with human traffickers. Where was your outrage then?
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Leftists... such phonies.

 

[Buzz62]

Good, you are resorting to personal attacks. A clear sign that your support for the tRump concentration camps has no defense.

No. It simply means I can see how you two like to stroke each other's egos, and figure you should hook-up.

 

[Buzz62]

Actually what you think of stuff Trump says is massively important because this is just partisan nonsense.

Pointing that out shows what's going on here. This is not just people trying to keep their politicians accountable, this is part of some silly game.

And who started this game...huh?
Who was it that hired a foreign agent to spy and inform on the opposition candidate?
Who was it that felt they had to pass moral judgement on the winner of the last election, and howl about it 24/7 since the day he was elected?
Who was it that spent over two years investigating, looking for anything, and came up with SFA?

Little secret. The POTUS in question here, has brought in a new AG and he's about to choke all this BS right back down the Democrats' throats.
Don't gag...

 

[tres borrachos]

Oh my... another one. ROTFLOL.

First you ask for her quote, claiming you could not find it... now this laughable BS.

Tell me... when people talk about concentration camps, is there any other reference than Nazi Germany?

No.

What is the best known concentration camp? Auschwitz. Dachau a distant second. Bergen-Belsen and Mauthausen barely ever mentioned.

Was O-Cortez referencing FDR’s concentration camps for Americans of Japanese descent? Don’t think so. She’s certainly as dimwitted about that as she is about growing vegetables, garbage disposals and the billions of revenue and jobs she helped kill for NY and her region.

Can you name a concentration camp outside of Nazi Germany? The USSR perhaps with their Gulag Archipelago? But... I’ve never heard that referenced.. ever.. and that place is a close contender with Nazi Germany for the evils it committed.

Ah, so I get it now. You don't know what a concentration camp is. You didn't know that FDR's camps in WW2 were by their definition concentration camps. No wonder you're confused.

You should educate yourself. Obviously AOC has done it.

 

[Buzz62]

Ah, so I get it now. You don't know what a concentration camp is. You didn't know that FDR's camps in WW2 were by their definition concentration camps. No wonder you're confused.

You should educate yourself. Obviously AOC has done it.

Huh???

Did you bother to READ zimmer's post?

Was O-Cortez referencing FDR’s concentration camps for Americans of Japanese descent? Don’t think so. She’s certainly as dimwitted about that as she is about growing vegetables, garbage disposals and the billions of revenue and jobs she helped kill for NY and her region.

I don't agree with you much tres, but I have to wonder...does a discussion about this twit Cortez, somehow lower the intellect of all Liberals to her level?
I mean really...you've had better mornings tres...:roll:

 

[Obscurity]

AOC is right about the camps. Concentration camps were designed to house undesireables.

 

[tres borrachos]

Huh???

Did you bother to READ zimmer's post?


I don't agree with you much tres, but I have to wonder...does a discussion about this twit Cortez, somehow lower the intellect of all Liberals to her level?
I mean really...you've had better mornings tres...:roll:

Yes, I read his post. And? Because he doesn't think (as usual) she was talking about the American camps? What he thinks (when that happens) is irrelevant. As I've repeatedly pointed out to you, and i'm tired of doing so, I know, and you know, what she said. And it didn't contain the words "the Holocaust" nor "Europe". So please stop nipping at my heels.